Day 9 in #Delphi started with testimony from Stacy Bozinovski, a forensic scientist and DNA analyst.
She tested a multitude of DNA evidence:
• Abby Williams' rape kit
• Libby German's rape kit
• Swabs from Libby’s body
• Swabs from Abby’s body
• Blood samples collected from the scene
• Swabs from the ground
• Swabs from the trees
• Clothing found at the scene
• A .40 caliber Smith & Wesson cartridge discovered at the scene
Bozinovski testified, none of the items she tested contained the DNA of Richard Allen.
Bozinovski said most of the swabs from the crime scene contained blood from Abby or Libby or a mixture of both.
The single strand of hair found in Abby's hand was determined to have come from Kelsi German, Libby German's older sister.
Bozinovski noted there was "some male" DNA found under the girls' fingernails and also from external genital swabs, but she added, there was no sufficient DNA found.
She stated the amounts detected were "very, very little." She also said the presence of male DNA likely comes from living with a man (or men) or perhaps from laundry or shared surfaces.
Bozinovski believes water from the creek made it difficult to remove any DNA from items pulled from the water.
"For DNA to be successful we need to detect 25-50 cells," she said.
Bozinovski noted some items were heavily soiled with plant material or covered in mud.
She also discussed the difference in the concentration of blood versus the concentration of touch samples.
“Trying to detect touch samples in an overwhelming amount of blood is nearly impossible," Bozinovski said.
State Prosecutor James Luttrell asked, “Did you find DNA of Richard Allen on any tested item?”
“No, I did not,” Bozinovski said.
“Did you find any male profile on any of the items?” Luttrell asked.
“No, I did not,” Bozinovski replied.
Before the lunch break, Special Judge Fran Gull addressed the courtroom. She said she noticed quite a few people sleeping.
The judge warned, “I don’t conduct court in the bedroom. I would appreciate it if you didn’t sleep in my courtroom."
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger cross examined Bozinovski.
She questioned why DNA wasn't tested on the three rootless hairs that were not consistent with Abby or Libby. Bozinovski claimed she did not want to risk losing the sample.
Major Patrick Cicero was called next. He’s a blood spatter expert.Cicero also explained the characteristics of blood stains such as:
• The size of a stain can determine the force
• The shape of a stain such as round or elliptical can show the direction that the blood came from
• The volume and direction provide the ability to best explain what happened at the scene of the crime
Cicero testified to the crime scene in Delphi. Photos were displayed of the crime scene, where he explained the blood seen and the pattern on Abby and Libby.
Cicero referenced blood pools soaking into the ground and blood stains under Libby's leg and patterns on her body.
He said there was some type of water mixed with blood consistent with a tear on Libby's face.Due to the patterns, Cicero testified Libby was likely sitting when she received her neck injury and leaned over her leg.
Cicero admitted he can’t rule out more than one perpetrator. Defense Auger pressed on why Cicero was brought into the case 7 years later.
He also agreed that it could be possible that Abby was held down by people when cut.
Also couldn’t rule out that Abby’s hands were washed.
Auger asked, “In anything you received, does it link Richard Allen to the murders?” Cicero said, “no.”
Judge Gull granted the motion to quash filed by Robert Ives.
The defense wanted the former Carroll County Prosecutor to testify. He stepped down as prosecutor on Dec. 31, 2017.
The judges ruling means we won't hear from him in open court.
The state also wants to enter into evidence gmail search history from Richard Allen.
The defense is objecting this.
Judge Gull is taking it under advisement.
Day 10 in #Delphi continues tomorrow at 9am.
We know this week the jury should see the interrogation interviews Allen had with police.
Also expected soon is testimony on the alleged 60+ confessions Allen made while behind bars.
She tested a multitude of DNA evidence:
• Abby Williams' rape kit
• Libby German's rape kit
• Swabs from Libby’s body
• Swabs from Abby’s body
• Blood samples collected from the scene
• Swabs from the ground
• Swabs from the trees
• Clothing found at the scene
• A .40 caliber Smith & Wesson cartridge discovered at the scene
Bozinovski testified, none of the items she tested contained the DNA of Richard Allen.
Bozinovski said most of the swabs from the crime scene contained blood from Abby or Libby or a mixture of both.
The single strand of hair found in Abby's hand was determined to have come from Kelsi German, Libby German's older sister.
Bozinovski noted there was "some male" DNA found under the girls' fingernails and also from external genital swabs, but she added, there was no sufficient DNA found.
She stated the amounts detected were "very, very little." She also said the presence of male DNA likely comes from living with a man (or men) or perhaps from laundry or shared surfaces.
Bozinovski believes water from the creek made it difficult to remove any DNA from items pulled from the water.
"For DNA to be successful we need to detect 25-50 cells," she said.
Bozinovski noted some items were heavily soiled with plant material or covered in mud.
She also discussed the difference in the concentration of blood versus the concentration of touch samples.
“Trying to detect touch samples in an overwhelming amount of blood is nearly impossible," Bozinovski said.
State Prosecutor James Luttrell asked, “Did you find DNA of Richard Allen on any tested item?”
“No, I did not,” Bozinovski said.
“Did you find any male profile on any of the items?” Luttrell asked.
“No, I did not,” Bozinovski replied.
Before the lunch break, Special Judge Fran Gull addressed the courtroom. She said she noticed quite a few people sleeping.
The judge warned, “I don’t conduct court in the bedroom. I would appreciate it if you didn’t sleep in my courtroom."
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger cross examined Bozinovski.
She questioned why DNA wasn't tested on the three rootless hairs that were not consistent with Abby or Libby. Bozinovski claimed she did not want to risk losing the sample.
Major Patrick Cicero was called next. He’s a blood spatter expert.Cicero also explained the characteristics of blood stains such as:
• The size of a stain can determine the force
• The shape of a stain such as round or elliptical can show the direction that the blood came from
• The volume and direction provide the ability to best explain what happened at the scene of the crime
Cicero testified to the crime scene in Delphi. Photos were displayed of the crime scene, where he explained the blood seen and the pattern on Abby and Libby.
Cicero referenced blood pools soaking into the ground and blood stains under Libby's leg and patterns on her body.
He said there was some type of water mixed with blood consistent with a tear on Libby's face.Due to the patterns, Cicero testified Libby was likely sitting when she received her neck injury and leaned over her leg.
Cicero admitted he can’t rule out more than one perpetrator. Defense Auger pressed on why Cicero was brought into the case 7 years later.
He also agreed that it could be possible that Abby was held down by people when cut.
Also couldn’t rule out that Abby’s hands were washed.
Auger asked, “In anything you received, does it link Richard Allen to the murders?” Cicero said, “no.”
Judge Gull granted the motion to quash filed by Robert Ives.
The defense wanted the former Carroll County Prosecutor to testify. He stepped down as prosecutor on Dec. 31, 2017.
The judges ruling means we won't hear from him in open court.
The state also wants to enter into evidence gmail search history from Richard Allen.
The defense is objecting this.
Judge Gull is taking it under advisement.
Day 10 in #Delphi continues tomorrow at 9am.
We know this week the jury should see the interrogation interviews Allen had with police.
Also expected soon is testimony on the alleged 60+ confessions Allen made while behind bars.
