Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[Betty P]

We can't make sense of the crime scene. If he can, it's game over.

If he explained even a minor part or detail of that crime scene, it’s enough to call him guilty, JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

We can't make sense of the crime scene. If he can, it's game over.

I also can’t even begin to guess what he claimed the motive was, amidst all his confessions. It would be a stretch for me to believe somebody could falsely make 60+ unsolicited confession but to also make up a motive for why they killed two innocent young girls, that to me verges on pure psycho. Somebody who could verbally express, yet only imagining, they committed this murder so frequently would be just as capable of having committed the actual crime in my opinion. I do believe the confessions will be game over for him. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

If he explained even a minor part or detail of that crime scene, it’s enough to call him guilty, JMO

The issue with that is he would have been privy to discovery, and some of these rumors were already out in the community after the crimes. It's also possible that he could guess something correctly. So we'll have to see, but I do think it's going to wind up being much more than a minor detail. Just my sense after reading the deposition of the detective who described their context. I'm confident.

 

[ClearAhead]

Was on Andrea's live (which is still going).

Well might she be wrong?

 

[fred&edna]

'Just demanding (under threat) that the victims remove their clothing qualifies as SA in my rule book.

jmo

 

[photographer4]

If he explained even a minor part or detail of that crime scene, it’s enough to call him guilty, JMO

Not if he likely got that info from LE or disclosure or rumours around the prison or whatnot. Moo.

 

[rez125]

If he explained even a minor part or detail of that crime scene, it’s enough to call him guilty, JMO

The timing of these confessions will be key.

Anyone with access to discovery will have numerous details.

 

[MassGuy]

Was on Andrea's live (which is still going).

I think at this stage it's safe to take everything she says with a grain of salt. That's a big thing to get wrong, and she did get it wrong.

 

[ClearAhead]

Not if he likely got that info from LE or disclosure or rumours around the prison or whatnot. Moo.

But for what reason would he confess to committing a crime that he’s already been arrested for? His explanation for discontinuing - choosing his family - is the only one I’ve ever heard that makes any sense. MOO

 

[Vaderman]

The issue with that is he would have been privy to discovery, and some of these rumors were already out in the community after the crimes. It's also possible that he could guess something correctly. So we'll have to see, but I do think it's going to wind up being much more than a minor detail. Just my sense after reading the deposition of the detective who described their context. I'm confident.

I'm glad you're feeling confident. I'm back to being unsure. If the majority of the confessions are him sarcastically saying, "Yup, I did it!" I'm gonna lose my mind.

I am very interested in the Gmail evidence that the defense wants chucked out. Something more than just searching for the crime.

 

[rez125]

But for what reason would he confess to committing a crime that he’s already been arrested for? His explanation for discontinuing - choosing his family - is the only one I’ve ever heard that makes any sense. MOO

By some reports he was completely <modnote - derogatory name for mental illness> in prison.

Does anybody have what medication he was given? I have read it somewhere but can't find a link.

 

[SouthEnd]

By some reports he was completely <modnote - derogatory name for mental illness> in prison.

Does anybody have what medication he was given? I have read it somewhere but can't find a link.

Haldol, from the top of my head.

It is also useful to research the percentage of ppl behind bars who are administered this drug.

Moo

 

[MassGuy]

I'm glad you're feeling confident. I'm back to being unsure. If the majority of the confessions are him sarcastically saying, "Yup, I did it!" I'm gonna lose my mind.

I am very interested in the Gmail evidence that the defense wants chucked out. Something more than just searching for the crime.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if those were a majority. But that doesn’t matter if there are some high quality ones in there, which I’m convinced there are.

The defense will focus on the ones similar to the one we’ve already seen (that handwritten one), and the absolutely bonkers ones (I imagine there are those too).

But the specific ones will tell the story.

 

[Vern]

But for what reason would he confess to committing a crime that he’s already been arrested for? His explanation for discontinuing - choosing his family - is the only one I’ve ever heard that makes any sense. MOO

NVM that the written "I am ready to confess to killing Abby & Libby" document that we've already seen was written by him on 3 March.

Well before he received discovery in April and suffered his 'mental break'. I imagine it's not the only one that pre-dates.

But, I do say the timing will be interesting as I suspect the drinking of the toilet water, eating of paper etc all came after his attorney's got a hold of him for a little talking to post his phone call confession to KA.

 

[rez125]

Haldol, from the top of my head.

It is also useful to research the percentage of ppl behind bars who are administered this drug.

Moo

Thanks so much for the suggestion!

 

[photographer4]

But for what reason would he confess to committing a crime that he’s already been arrested for? His explanation for discontinuing - choosing his family - is the only one I’ve ever heard that makes any sense. MOO

The stress of it all can make people do really weird things - including confessing wrongfully to things they didn’t do. Many studies and cases explain why people “confessed” who were later exonerated. Juries often like to buy confessions because people don’t want to believe anyone would say they did a horrendous crime, if they didn’t! But. People do. More often than I think we realise even. Moooo.

 

[gremlin444]

Green scarf tested:

Delphi Murders trial: Day 9 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi murders, as it continues in the Carroll County Courthouse. Stay updated with WISH-TV's live blog.

www.wishtv.com

"She told the jury that the green scarf from the creek “may not have been related to the timing of the crime.” She says there is no DNA on it."

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-states-dna-expert-takes-the-stand/

"Items pulled from Deer Creek—socks, a [sic, should be green] screen scarf, underwear, a tank top, a Nike shoe, tie-dye shirt among them—were also analyzed. Bozinovski believes the creek affected the results, adding that water had the potential to remove or dilute DNA."

Other articles like on Carrol County Comet and wthr.com don't go through all the items individual but do state that all items found in the water and on the bodies were tested.

 

[DaisyMaesMama]

By some reports he was completely <modnote - derogatory name for mental illness> in prison.

Does anybody have what medication he was given? I have read it somewhere but can't find a link.

From what I can find at this link, he was evaluated “by two psychiatrists and a psychologist to see if he needed involuntary medication or to be moved to a different unit, the document said, and they determined Allen didn't need involuntary medication and didn't need to be moved” BBM

Delphi double murder suspect allegedly confessed several times in jail call with wife: Court documents

Delphi, Indiana, double murder suspect Richard Allen allegedly confessed to the killings several times.

abcnews.go.com

 

[ClearAhead]

By some reports he was completely <modnote - derogatory name for mental illness> in prison.

Does anybody have what medication he was given? I have read it somewhere but can't find a link.

So maybe he was <modnote - derogatory name for mental illness> when he murdered Libby and Abby, and that’s explains why the crime scene was <modnote - derogatory name for mental illness> too?

 

[fred&edna]

I think anyone (guilty or innocent) who was used to living life in the free world for over 40 years and was suddenly incarcerated might need Haldol or similar.

jmo