Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[sunshineray]

So are these counted as THREE of the 60+ confessions or just ONE? Because if one morning’s ranting counts as 5% of the confessions- the absurdly large number isn’t that absurd- was it on 60+ occasions- or 60+ utterances- because one wild afternoon of yelling could knock out 1/2 of those easy - maybe I’m missing something- moo

ISP Harshman's testimony will clear it all up. I'm sure he'll be testifying again. He has listened to and read all the confessions (61 was a lowball number IIRC his testimony at the 3 day hearings). There are also dozens more incriminating statements to boot. Powerful stuff coming. AJMO

 

[CamilleBSP]

I just wish we all could hear and see the videos/audio of especially these first interviews. What I am reading from the interrogation we heard about today with his wife and all his denials came off to me as if he is an innocent man who is now caught up in this. But mannerisms and tone matter to me so I wish we could see for ourselves whether his tone is more anger and bewilderment or deceptive. I totally think he did it, but if he didn't it is so unfortunate we have nothing to corroborate anything about his story. I think its probably too late to find any surveillance footage, apparently (we don't know when his wife got home) nobody can corroborate his whereabouts on that day. I know it is not the defenses job to prove its not him, but just any bit of evidence corroborating his story would go a long way in my mind because I would hate for the wrong person to get convicted or the right person to be acquitted since that means no justice for Abby and Libby and this person is still walking around and can do this again.

There could be something exculpatory on the defense's case. We only have to be patient and listen, at this point.

 

[sunshineray]

That's the whole point. Can we really trust his confessions? Should it be up to other people to assert if he was faking it or not?

RA himself said he was. Are we not supposed to trust anything RA has said? Why? Because it's not the norm of how it usually goes, with false confessions coming under interrogation and these were given freely with no coercion?

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851427087967453574

 

[NuttMegg]

I suspect it's due to the subconscious ordering rules from grammar that we all follow. It's not personal or about ranking the girls, it's about the English language.
BBM
I have seen Abby listed first, plenty.

MOO

Agreed. As babies we start out with the "aa" or "ah" sound, and it works its way through the rest of our lives in english, probably all spoken languages. There's a bunch of youtube vids on what sounds to use to get baby speaking words more quickly. Think of it, as a filler in any conversation we'll automatically use uh, ah, etc. We won't use a consonant like "L".

Well look it up! There is a whole science behind it, explained 1000 x better than I can.

Just my opinion, fair or not for Libby.

 

[sunshineray]

do we know if RA had a competency hearing or determination? We have seen that in a few notable cases. (lori daybell, stauch) I wonder if he didn't, why not since his attorneys are alleging severe mental illness, is he even competent to aide his own defense? should he even be on trial as it stands with him being apparently so deeply mentally ill he confesses randomly all the time.

are competency examinations something his defense attorneys would ask for or is that just only ordered by the court? and if it's something his attorneys can ask for, why wouldn't they since it would help them immensely discredit the confessions which appear to be a large part of the case. to me, i would think that if his attorneys can ask for this and haven't, yet are still claiming he is mentally ill it is just setting him up for an appeal based on ineffective counsel.

They never had him evaluated. It may have something to do with the two prison mental health doctors clearing him (paraphrasing) as not being incompetent, just upset.

 

[Boxer]

And yet, she ends up taking him there, herself IIRC

NO ambulance or police.

So why even call if that were the case ??
Hmmmm

JMO

I have felt suicide statements fit.

 

[fred&edna]

What better way to make your client look guilty than to question his competency to stand trial. I wouldn't have had an assessment done for him either if I were his lawyer. It has the effect of being prejudicial to the jury imo. MOoo.

Even though it's an old case, I don't think the late Vincent Gigante (bathrobe-wearing mob boss) nor his legal team would have agreed with you.

Vincent "the Chin" Gigante dropped his three decade-long ruse today and acknowledged that he had tricked doctors into believing he was a low IQ, mental incompetent who paraded around Greenwich Village in his pajamas and a bathrobe.

He was, in fact, the reigning boss of the Genovese crime family, the most powerful of this city's five mob concerns.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/04/08/mob-boss-admits-insanity-was-a-ruse/faeae8f0-fd83-4f7b-bb59-d01f6322fa4d/

 

[justtrish]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851427087967453574

Heartbreaking.. the first option would have traumatized them, but they would be alive and their amazing family would have rallied around them. This had to be hard for the families today. Thanking about them extra tonight.

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t think so- I would think that the D would be thinking along my lines honestly- if he yelled “I did it” 60 times in a row- I would not characterize that as 60 confessions personally- and it makes the P look like they inflated their numbers a bit- I’d call those 3 a single “confession” - I personally would have thought he confessed on 60+ occasions vs 60+ utterances by the way the P was describing it- could just be me- moo

They were not inflated. The man who cataloged them all, ISP Harshman's testimony is an informative read on it all.

3 Day Hearing - Google Drive

drive.google.com

 

[SouthEnd]

It was "gave up" not "game up"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851427078505201800

 

[flashy09]

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/delphi-murders-warden-correctional-officers-say-allen-made-multiple-confessions-to-killing-abby-libby/

Several more Westville correctional officers testified into the evening, telling jurors that Allen confessed to killing the girls throughout April and into May. They told jurors about Allen’s strange behavior including drinking hot sauce, peeing on his mat and masturbating while singing.

“Kathy, I did it. I’m guilty,” Allen allegedly said on April 16, 2023, while Correctional Officer Raymond Smith was watching over him. “Run, Kathy, Run.”

According to Correctional Officer John Miller, Allen expressed his desire to “burn in hell” while confessing to the killings.

“I got what I deserve for what I did,” Allen allegedly said to Miller.

“I’m sorry I killed those kids.”

Westville Correctional Officer Brandon Fisher detailed perhaps the most potentially damning of the alleged confessions.

According to Fisher, on April 29, 2023, at approximately 6 p.m. Richard Allen not only confessed to killing the girls yet again but provided some details into the killings.

Allen reportedly said that he intended to rape the girls but said that he panicked and ended up killing them instead. Allen told Fisher that he killed the girls with a box cutter and threw it into a dumpster behind CVS.

This echoes the testimony given by Galipeau.

In May, Fisher said Allen was banging his head on the wall and again spoke of killing the girls. He talked about how they were screaming when he killed them and talked about stealing the box cutter from CVS.

When Fisher was asked by Allen’s attorneys if he believed his mental distress was genuine, Fisher said he did not and thought that Allen was acting.

Fisher claimed Allen even said, “I won’t be doing that again” after smearing feces on his face.

But Allen’s attorney implied that Allen did do it again.

Wabash Valley Correctional Facility​

Jason Bedwell, a correctional officer from Wabash Valley Correctional, was among the guards who took the stand on Tuesday evening. Bedwell was the only guard from Wabash Valley, which is where Allen was transferred after being held for 13 months at Westville prison.

Bedwell stated that on Feb. 4, 2024 — nine months after the previous confessions — Allen again confessed to the killings while lying down and crying/talking to himself.

“I am sorry for what I did,” Allen said, according to Bedwell. “Sorry for killing them.”

Court ended around 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday and will resume for Day 11 of testimony on Wednesday morning.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851427087967453574

If he really did this and he said he abducted them initially to rape them then panicked and killed them i just struggle with that because how many rapists are taking two victims at the same time? Isn't that pretty risky even if someone has done this before or is a serial rapist? So many variables with controlling two people, much easier if one is dead first. Or both. Even if he tied one up or held the gun pointed at one while raping the other. Just makes me think the intent was murder all along.

 

[SouthEnd]

If he really did this and he said he abducted them initially to rape them then panicked and killed them i just struggle with that because how many rapists are taking two victims at the same time? Isn't that pretty risky even if someone has done this before or is a serial rapist? So many variables with controlling two people, much easier if one is dead first. Or both. Even if he tied one up or held the gun pointed at one while raping the other. Just makes me think the intent was murder all along.

A chaotic 'I have nothing to lose' type of person operating on pure chaos?

JMO

 

[CamilleBSP]

He talked about how they were screaming when he killed them and talked about stealing the box cutter from CVS.

AFAIK they didn't scream, as the trail was packed with people and nobody heard a single thing. <mod snip: not victim friendly>

 

[flashy09]

If he really did this and he said he abducted them initially to rape them then panicked and killed them i just struggle with that because how many rapists are taking two victims at the same time? Isn't that pretty risky even if someone has done this before or is a serial rapist? So many variables with controlling two people, much easier if one is dead first. Or both. Even if he tied one up or held the gun pointed at one while raping the other. Just makes me think the intent was murder all along.

Maybe this was his fantasy and it appeared before his eyes when the girls crossed the bridge on a quiet Monday afternoon. What I thought was so brazen before could actually be a perfect crime of oppportunity. He had the day off, there is almost nobody on the trail, and two girls go all the way across the bridge.

 

[justtrish]

If he really did this and he said he abducted them initially to rape them then panicked and killed them i just struggle with that because how many rapists are taking two victims at the same time? Isn't that pretty risky even if someone has done this before or is a serial rapist? So many variables with controlling two people, much easier if one is dead first. Or both. Even if he tied one up or held the gun pointed at one while raping the other. Just makes me think the intent was murder all along.

I think it's possible he was waiting for 1 victim and it didn't materialize... so he saw this opportunity with them crossing the bridge and he took it. I don't know if a person willing to do either of these things.. rape or killing is really thinking once they get their mind set. He had the perfect opportunity present with them crossing all the way over.. maybe he was sitting on the bench waiting for one person to come along.

 

[CamilleBSP]

I don't know where we see the trail being packed with ppl, was that in any testimony? BB left shortly after seeing RA and the 4 girls were long gone. Where there other people confirmed to have been there at 2:15 or thereabouts?

MOO

Everyone and their mothers said it was a pretty day and they decided to go for a walk. We don't get to hear about who was there after a certain point because either the people who were there chose not to come forward or LE didn't bother to look further into it. It doesn't mean there wasn't anyone there. And if someone heard something they would've come forward...

 

[Yemelyan]

If he really did this and he said he abducted them initially to rape them then panicked and killed them i just struggle with that because how many rapists are taking two victims at the same time? Isn't that pretty risky even if someone has done this before or is a serial rapist? So many variables with controlling two people, much easier if one is dead first. Or both. Even if he tied one up or held the gun pointed at one while raping the other. Just makes me think the intent was murder all along.

Taking two victims at the same time, while risky, is a thing, unfortunately...look into a guy named Michael Klunder where it was fully part of what he did. And there's many more like him I could name. Granted, I did a deep dive into offenders who take two victims after studying the Delphi case as much as I did.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

They were not inflated. The man who cataloged them all, ISP Harshman's testimony is an informative read on it all.

3 Day Hearing - Google Drive

drive.google.com

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