Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[MassGuy]

Yes I mean it couldn’t be more clear than him stating his full government name and then saying he killed the girls and was by himself and that he wasn’t crazy and was just acting crazy.

But one could argue that a crazy person would say they’re not crazy, and he’s just repeating what others have said to him.

 

[SouthEnd]

But one could argue that a crazy person would say they’re not crazy, and he’s just repeating what others have said to him.

I personally find the timeline and bullet the most convincing evidence, followed by RA placing himself there, followed by his confessions. But they all add up, IMO

 

[m00c0w]

A quick timeline now as things are coming out:

April 3, 2023: RA receives legal mail. Perhaps discovery? (From trial testimony today).
April 3, 2023: RA calls his wife and tells her he'll tell police everything if she wants. KA hangs up the phone.
April 4, 2023: RA's lawyers take a photo of him looking... not well.
April 5, 2023: RA says he's ready to confess to the warden.
April 6, 2023: RA's attorneys file emergency motion to vacate safekeeping order.
April 6, 2023: RA keeps confessing to his "suicide companion" guard.
April 7, 2023: RA keeps confessing to his "suicide companion" guard, this time including molestation in the statements.

Quite an interesting timeline there...

Richard Allen's attorneys say his jail conditions are 'akin to that of prisoner of war'

Richard Allen's attorneys requested he be moved from Westville prison, where he currently is incarcerated for his safety, to the Cass County Jail.

www.jconline.com

Delphi killings: Timeline of events in Richard Allen case

Here’s a timeline retracing key moments of the Delphi killings case.

www.newsnationnow.com

Newly released documents claim Richard Allen confessed to Delphi Murders 'no less than 5 times' in jailhouse call

In newly released court documents, prosecutors claim that Richard Allen confessed to the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German at least five times while on the phone with his wife and mom.

lawandcrime.com

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/delphi-murders-warden-correctional-officers-say-allen-made-multiple-confessions-to-killing-abby-libby/

 

[dub]

If there’s the possibility of a second killer, I would think it could be argued that it’s equally likely RA didn’t do it at all because if a second person got in and out of the crime scene undetected then so could RA and BG is a different person- not saying that’s likely- but if I start to entertain that an accomplice got in and out and flew under the radar- then that causes more problems than it solves for me personally- moo

Oh I definitely agree that an accomplice creates more problems than it solves.

That’s a lot of the reason why I don’t think there was one, despite a couple things at the crime scene that would make more sense if there was.

But also I think an accomplice creates far less [eta: fewer haha] problems than a single killer that is a totally different person than RA and/or BG.

 

[arielilane]

7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody game up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”

8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.”




On April 23, Allen again allegedly confessed to killing the girls. The next day, Roberts said Allen asked, “How do I prove that I’m insane?”Roberts was asked about Allen’s mental state and said he was trained to notice signs of mental health disorders. He claimed Allen did “more outrageous things” when guards were watching and claimed Allen “only acted up when lawyers came.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851383889727799542

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851381408427896932

 

[Melted]

But one could argue that a crazy person would say they’re not crazy, and he’s just repeating what others have said to him.

If we are going to go down that rabbit hole I think we’d have to just throw the confessions out all together.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody game up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”

8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.””

So are these counted as THREE of the 60+ confessions or just ONE? Because if one morning’s ranting counts as 5% of the confessions- the absurdly large number isn’t that absurd- was it on 60+ occasions- or 60+ utterances- because one wild afternoon of yelling could knock out 1/2 of those easy - maybe I’m missing something- moo

 

[MassGuy]

If we are going to go down that rabbit hole I think we’d have to just throw the confessions out all together.

Just because some of them are going to be low quality, generic ones like these?

 

[CamilleBSP]

If we are going to go down that rabbit hole I think we’d have to just throw the confessions out all together.

That's the whole point. Can we really trust his confessions? Should it be up to other people to assert if he was faking it or not?

 

[Melted]

So are these counted as THREE of the 60+ confessions or just ONE? Because if one morning’s ranting counts as 5% of the confessions- the absurdly large number isn’t that absurd- was it on 60+ occasions- or 60+ utterances- because one wild afternoon of yelling could knock out 1/2 of those easy - maybe I’m missing something- moo

I believe you are perfectly picking up what the prosecution is laying down

 

[Bbgiraffe]

do we know if RA had a competency hearing or determination? We have seen that in a few notable cases. (lori daybell, stauch) I wonder if he didn't, why not since his attorneys are alleging severe mental illness, is he even competent to aide his own defense? should he even be on trial as it stands with him being apparently so deeply mentally ill he confesses randomly all the time.

are competency examinations something his defense attorneys would ask for or is that just only ordered by the court? and if it's something his attorneys can ask for, why wouldn't they since it would help them immensely discredit the confessions which appear to be a large part of the case. to me, i would think that if his attorneys can ask for this and haven't, yet are still claiming he is mentally ill it is just setting him up for an appeal based on ineffective counsel.

 

[MassGuy]

7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody game up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”

8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.”




On April 23, Allen again allegedly confessed to killing the girls. The next day, Roberts said Allen asked, “How do I prove that I’m insane?”Roberts was asked about Allen’s mental state and said he was trained to notice signs of mental health disorders. He claimed Allen did “more outrageous things” when guards were watching and claimed Allen “only acted up when lawyers came.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851383889727799542

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851381408427896932

This is how you’d write a confession. He just did it verbally. Probably no pen on suicide watch.

8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

 

[Deleted member 296739]

But also I think an accomplice creates far less [eta: fewer haha] problems than a single killer that is a totally different person than RA and/or BG.

I don’t know- because if you discount the bullet (which without hearing all the testimony I could personally go either way) then nothing ties BG or RA to the killings - even if RA=BG -

Asking who else could have done it? Isn’t the same thing as proving guilt - it’s more an argument from silence- no one saw the killer(s) so therefore there wasn’t anyone else and it had to be the guy that people did see- that is not exactly lock tight BARD - to me- moo

 

[Melted]

Just because some of them are going to be low quality, generic ones like these?

Honestly I don’t think a confession could get more high quality than this.

“8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.””

 

[MassGuy]

Honestly I don’t think a confession could get more high quality than this.

“8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.””

Ha! I guess you’re off the fence then. I was never on it, so although I’m happy to see stuff like this, I want more specific ones that leave no doubt in the mind of the jury.

I just see counter arguments there.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I believe you are perfectly picking up what the prosecution is laying down

I don’t think so- I would think that the D would be thinking along my lines honestly- if he yelled “I did it” 60 times in a row- I would not characterize that as 60 confessions personally- and it makes the P look like they inflated their numbers a bit- I’d call those 3 a single “confession” - I personally would have thought he confessed on 60+ occasions vs 60+ utterances by the way the P was describing it- could just be me- moo

 

[CamilleBSP]

do we know if RA had a competency hearing or determination? We have seen that in a few notable cases. (lori daybell, stauch) I wonder if he didn't, why not since his attorneys are alleging severe mental illness, is he even competent to aide his own defense? should he even be on trial as it stands with him being apparently so deeply mentally ill he confesses randomly all the time.

are competency examinations something his defense attorneys would ask for or is that just only ordered by the court? and if it's something his attorneys can ask for, why wouldn't they since it would help them immensely discredit the confessions which appear to be a large part of the case. to me, i would think that if his attorneys can ask for this and haven't, yet are still claiming he is mentally ill it is just setting him up for an appeal based on ineffective counsel.

I'm not sure the defense didn't ask for an evaluation. <modsnip>

 

[Melted]

I don’t think so- I would think that the D would be thinking along my lines honestly- if he yelled “I did it” 60 times in a row- I would not characterize that as 60 confessions personally- and it makes the P look like they inflated their numbers a bit- I’d call those 3 a single “confession” - I personally would have thought he confessed on 60+ occasions vs 60+ utterances by the way the P was describing it- could just be me- moo

I completely agree with you. We will find out soon. But if they were going to get through 60 occasions at this rate it would take a month imo

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm not sure the defense didn't ask for an evaluation. <modsnip>

If there was a competency assessment asked for, it would be part of court record. There was none asked for.

MOO

 

[m00c0w]

Getting in the wayback machine based on what we know now, the emergency motion to modify the safekeeping order is certainly... interesting.

RA starts confessing, and all of a sudden his attorneys start claiming he's being treated like a war criminal and going insane and that he's having a mental break and basically nothing he's saying can be trusted. This is also after he "confessed" to KA over the phone and KA presumably contacted the attorneys.

Also not sure what exactly what in the legal mail on April 3 if the defense is correct and he had not received discovery by then:


Motion attached.