Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[Spartygirl]

That’s most likely the domestic issue that people have been trying to label as Richard Allen being violent towards his wife, he was having a mental health crisis and his wife called the police to get him to a doctor. JMO

And yet, she ends up taking him there, herself IIRC

NO ambulance or police.

So why even call if that were the case ??
Hmmmm

JMO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

No I was asking why you think an assessment from the D is required to debunk the confessions? I have not seen many but the one I did see didn't convince me of his guilt - no mental health professional needed (for me). Mooo

I don't think it's necessary to debunk the confessions, but it would totally immediately debunk them if they can show he was mentally incompetent while he was making them.

 

[sunshineray]

Now that we know about Richard Allen coming close to shooting himself I believe the bullet in the keepsake box can be explained.

Many times when people come close to committing suicide they will think of that bullet as what shapes the trajectory of their life, that could have been what ended it, but it wasn’t! Having that bullet in a keepsake box with a letter from his mom could have been his way of reminding himself daily that life is worth living and a way to work through his depression.

JMO

He had plenty more bullets to replace that one, if that were the case, suicide. I think it's possibly the keepsake was the bullet he chambered on the bridge, it landed where he saw it and picked it up, and put it away, a trophy. I think he may have chambered it twice that day, lost the second one between the girls in a fantasy fog of racking the gun while giving them orders and he found the first one, from the bridge, in his pocket later at home. Just a possibility and my opinion

 

[Warwick7]

Correction Officer Michael Clemons told jurors he was a “suicide companion” assigned to record everything Allen said while in prison.

According to Clemons, on April 6, 2023, Allen confessed to killing the girls. He quoted Allen as saying, “God I’m so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”

“I killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me,” Allen is also accused of saying.


Clemons also told jurors that Allen shouted to other inmates, “I’m not crazy, I’m only acting like I’m crazy.”

During cross-examination, Clemons told Allen’s attorneys that he never felt Allen’s crazed behavior was genuine.

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/delphi-murders-warden-correctional-officers-say-allen-made-multiple-confessions-to-killing-abby-libby/

WHY with RA is Abby always listed first?!!!
Family, friends, all media.....list Libby first.

Edit: My thoughts?
He says what his brain remembers.
He killed Abby first Libby second.

 

[sunshineray]

It says “game up on Me”

I’m assuming it was a typo and he said “came up on me”

We will see

I disagree. I think it's "gave". We shall

 

[SouthEnd]

When you add the hard evidence of his car on video and the bullet at the scene it really is a strong case.

I think people are thrown off by his volunteering information and the keeping of the car, jacket (perhaps replaced), gun, ...but that is exactly what he is ... half "mastermind," half wanting to be caught. He is strategic in not looking suspicious or shady. But it's also leaving the door open. He says he wore a "blue or black" jacket. He confesses and retracts. His timeline changes. He just keeps giving and taking. He is conflicted. I don't think he is a psychopath, but someone who has fought himself his whole life.

I know some people will be hung up on the witness descriptions, but they are actually fantastic. They describe his demeanor, his odd attire, and all say BG photo is a match. If you take his original timeline - the one backed up by video of his car and his original interview with Dulin- RA is who they saw. RA is BG. BG killed the girls.

This is some of the most spot-on analysis I've read on this case. Extra kudos, you described RA's conflict better than I could.

 

[iamshadow21]

WHY with RA is Abby always listed first?!!!
Family, friends, all media.....list Libby first.

I suspect it's due to the subconscious ordering rules from grammar that we all follow. It's not personal or about ranking the girls, it's about the English language.

I have seen Abby listed first, plenty.

MOO

 

[detectivewannab]

Yes, there are experts who can tell which are false confessions and which ones are real. They have to be viewed in the context of when he made them, under which circumstances, who he confessed to and the content of the confessions.

Thoughts on him calling Libby and Abby "little" girls in one of the confessions? Just a red flag for me if it was quoted correct.

 

[sunshineray]

"You're guilty of something. You're guilty and I know it and I'm going to %#$$$ prove it".

Hope that part was played to the jury.

Me too!

 

[detectivewannab]

I suspect it's due to the subconscious ordering rules from grammar that we all follow. It's not personal or about ranking the girls, it's about the English language.

I have seen Abby listed first, plenty.

MOO

Interesting

 

[flashy09]

Thoughts on him calling Libby and Abby "little" girls in one of the confessions? Just a red flag for me if it was quoted correct.

I noticed that too and ironically it's what Doug Carter said in the 2019 PC. "We know this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know. And one day, you will. A question to you: What will those closest to you think of you when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls? "

 

[Boxer]

What better way to make your client look guilty than to question his competency to stand trial. I wouldn't have had an assessment done for him either if I were his lawyer. It has the effect of being prejudicial to the jury imo. MOoo.

Eating feces. MOO among other thing they are just lazy.

 

[photographer4]

And yet, she ends up taking him there, herself IIRC

NO ambulance or police.

So why even call if that were the case ??
Hmmmm

JMO

Sometimes you want to have extra people around to ensure that the person goes with you willingly - they see the officers and realize, it is happening whether they go willingly or not. Moo.

 

[iamshadow21]

Interesting

You don't have to take my word for it that people besides RA do it, just look at the thread header. For both this thread and the media thread. Abby is listed first on both.

MOO

 

[photographer4]

I don't think it's necessary to debunk the confessions, but it would totally immediately debunk them if they can show he was mentally incompetent while he was making them.

I think they can probably show that without need of another assessor on board. Remains to be seen I guess. For me though, so far, this case is not BARD - not even almost. I wouldn't be willing to lock him away for life on such little substance. MOO.

 

[photographer4]

WHY with RA is Abby always listed first?!!!
Family, friends, all media.....list Libby first.

Possibly because alphabetically her name should be first? I wouldn't read too much into that really. Moo.

 

[sunshineray]

Oh I definitely agree that an accomplice creates more problems than it solves.

That’s a lot of the reason why I don’t think there was one, despite a couple things at the crime scene that would make more sense if there was.

But also I think an accomplice creates far less [eta: fewer haha] problems than a single killer that is a totally different person than RA and/or BG.

We also heard RA state he did it alone, nobody else. And there's more to come. Powerful stuff. MO

 

[ClearAhead]

When you add the hard evidence of his car on video and the bullet at the scene it really is a strong case.

I think people are thrown off by his volunteering information and the keeping of the car, jacket (perhaps replaced), gun, ...but that is exactly what he is ... half "mastermind," half wanting to be caught. He is strategic in not looking suspicious or shady. But it's also leaving the door open. He says he wore a "blue or black" jacket. He confesses and retracts. His timeline changes. He just keeps giving and taking. He is conflicted. I don't think he is a psychopath, but someone who has fought himself his whole life.

I know some people will be hung up on the witness descriptions, but they are actually fantastic. They describe his demeanor, his odd attire, and all say BG photo is a match. If you take his original timeline - the one backed up by video of his car and his original interview with Dulin- RA is who they saw. RA is BG. BG killed the girls.

Excellent summery!

Just to add a comment about the female witnesses with their slightly varied times and descriptions, this is to be expected and is an indication of their credibility IMO. On the other hand, if each of the testimonies were perfectly aligned, that can be an indication of collusion and/or conspiracy. JMO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I think they can probably show that without need of another assessor on board. Remains to be seen I guess. For me though, so far, this case is not BARD - not even almost. I wouldn't be willing to lock him away for life on such little substance. MOO.

I just wish we all could hear and see the videos/audio of especially these first interviews. What I am reading from the interrogation we heard about today with his wife and all his denials came off to me as if he is an innocent man who is now caught up in this. But mannerisms and tone matter to me so I wish we could see for ourselves whether his tone is more anger and bewilderment or deceptive. I totally think he did it, but if he didn't it is so unfortunate we have nothing to corroborate anything about his story. I think its probably too late to find any surveillance footage, apparently (we don't know when his wife got home) nobody can corroborate his whereabouts on that day. I know it is not the defenses job to prove its not him, but just any bit of evidence corroborating his story would go a long way in my mind because I would hate for the wrong person to get convicted or the right person to be acquitted since that means no justice for Abby and Libby and this person is still walking around and can do this again.

 

[MassGuy]

Really good recap here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851427065603441112