malaga
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do you think the perpetrator(s) of such a heinous crime would feign remorse in prison? is that the norm for convicted violent (children) murderers? Chris Watts comes to mind, & his conduct matches what I'd expect of someone who did to those girls what was done, you know?
something I could buy into is that Allen was a "lookout" guy / subtly shepherded the girls toward their demise -- realistically, they weren't going to turn around and go single file to cross paths with a rando on that bridge
I could buy into someone with that type of level of involvement to conduct himself similarly to how Allen has conducted himself
that level of involvement would seem so low-risk, you know? for sure no DNA at the crime scene, for example
it would make sense to be extremely worried for your wife in the event you somehow got arrested for the murderous acts -- maybe you'd confess over sixty times, hoping the message gets out to the relevant parties that you aren't going to snitch (but do note you're motivated by loyalty to your wife vs by allegiance with the perpetrators -- so you will snitch in a heartbeat if anything happens to your wife -- a threat of sorts)
that would make it make sense to me what we've heard about his wife's reactions (to his confession, at the interrogation, etc)... maybe she sees strange things are afoot at the Circle K but also knows Allen couldn't have done what happened to these girls but still can be receptive to the idea that the cops indeed perfectly matched a bullet found at the scene to his specific firearm
one thing that really bothers me [especially in light of learning what DNA survived the crime and where it was found] is how the murderer would have to be face-to-face, inches away! with the victims to carry out the murders in this way
it makes me think it wasn't some stranger in the spur of the moment
early on I remember Kelsi (and maybe the grandmother, too) saying how adamant the girls were about going to the trail that afternoon -- it was atypical but didn't inspire grilling the girls on their urgency
anyway, that contributes to my thinking that the girls were purposeful -- like the way the man on the bridge was described as seeming to have intentness
I personally wouldn't be surprised if the witnesses in fact saw three different men & that those men were intentionally dressed the same (something easy enough to do given the outfit of choice)
maybe Allen made the perfect bookend on the bridge precisely because the girls didn't know him (but they would recognize whomever they met at the crime scene)
adult men I've encountered who are no taller than 5'5" always "feel" even SHORTER -- because of human nature/the way culture influences perception
it makes me think 300 pounds of teenage athletes would definitely have defensive wounds... he was 180lbs (37C07-1111-IF-001671) and already had suffered a heart attack!
also, a 5'4" individual using a sharp object on another 5'4" individual... -- wouldn't you need a step stool to cut the victim's neck such that the cut doesn't come out beveled? for real, though
(if the angle has been reported, I missed it & would be interested to know)
at this juncture, the "coincidences," et al that the people point to who believe Allen is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt are no different in abstract than the many "coincidences" that the people who believe the crime was motivated by religion
listen, Martinsville is less than two hours from Delphi and...
Sundown Towns in Indiana: How a Legacy of 'Whites-Only' Towns Rose and Continues to Affect Today Council of Conservative Citizens Undermines Indiana Town’s Efforts to Overcome Legacy of Racism
invalidating the potential relevancy of white supremacy in these murders is, at a minimum, ignorant; the position along the lines of, "it doesn't make sense for white supremacists to sacrifice two white girls," is ignorant, at best, too, of the literal definition of sacrifice... Definition of SACRIFICE
I would be interested in a good faith explanation of how one can believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the specific set of circumstantial evidence while disparaging to such an extent a different specific set of circumstantial evidence
when considering people connected to such a contemptible crime, I argue it is more likely that sociopathic bad actors pursuing power and control had self-serving interests to cooperate in exploiting the "innocent until proven guilty" / Occam's razor /benefit of the doubt, etc employed by the average reasonable person
than
the well-intentioned witnesses describing who they saw were ...wrong
about
seeing what they saw with their own eyes
[understood the limitations of memory, etc etc, but a man being significantly shorter than the average height of men in America I reasonably expect to make an impression that would be remembered when describing seeing this person (what is the average height of men in Delphi??? one witness described the man she saw as beautiful... likeee, please advise)]
my benefit of the doubt goes to the well-intentioned witnesses -- that they were nowhere near as wrong about what they saw as they would have to be if it really was Allen they saw
[it's not above me that girls & women comprise both the victims and witnesses, and the bad actors in this thought exercise are all me]
anyway, claiming white girls wouldn't be in fact an ultimate sacrifice to white supremacists is as nonsensical to me as the many coincidences presented at trial, including, but not limited to, the missing recordings, the only man identified via DNA was an investigator, a bullet being compatible with a gun, of course it was a woman who was put up to explaining apples and oranges are both fruit so they might as well be the same thing, people being on the trail at the same time as each other, the timing of the sheriff election, Kelsi's DNA at the crime scene is rationalized as resulting from laundering a sweatshirt on which itself her DNA wasn't found, photos work for blood spatter analysis but not for forensic firearm examining, etc etc etc raising no reasonable doubts for those who are already convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Allen is solely responsible for this awful double murder
[...hmm, maybe it makes sense after all that people who are already convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Allen is solely responsible for this awful double murder may also be the people who are unclear on how you're very much so not making a sacrifice if what you're giving up is meaningless to you !!]
all of these things can be true, but the system isn't designed to process such levels of complexity
[I wouldn't be surprised that, if a day comes where someone else goes to trial related to this crime, the premise of the murders will be completely different -- like how Steve Avery and Brendan Dassey murdered Teresa Halbach together and were convicted consecutively based on contradictory/mutually exclusive facts presented at their respective trials by the same prosecutor]
the missing phone is really significant to me in believing Allen was connected to this crime, & I trust the jurors--the average reasonable people--to do the right thing come the end of the trial
something I could buy into is that Allen was a "lookout" guy / subtly shepherded the girls toward their demise -- realistically, they weren't going to turn around and go single file to cross paths with a rando on that bridge
I could buy into someone with that type of level of involvement to conduct himself similarly to how Allen has conducted himself
that level of involvement would seem so low-risk, you know? for sure no DNA at the crime scene, for example
it would make sense to be extremely worried for your wife in the event you somehow got arrested for the murderous acts -- maybe you'd confess over sixty times, hoping the message gets out to the relevant parties that you aren't going to snitch (but do note you're motivated by loyalty to your wife vs by allegiance with the perpetrators -- so you will snitch in a heartbeat if anything happens to your wife -- a threat of sorts)
that would make it make sense to me what we've heard about his wife's reactions (to his confession, at the interrogation, etc)... maybe she sees strange things are afoot at the Circle K but also knows Allen couldn't have done what happened to these girls but still can be receptive to the idea that the cops indeed perfectly matched a bullet found at the scene to his specific firearm
one thing that really bothers me [especially in light of learning what DNA survived the crime and where it was found] is how the murderer would have to be face-to-face, inches away! with the victims to carry out the murders in this way
it makes me think it wasn't some stranger in the spur of the moment
early on I remember Kelsi (and maybe the grandmother, too) saying how adamant the girls were about going to the trail that afternoon -- it was atypical but didn't inspire grilling the girls on their urgency
anyway, that contributes to my thinking that the girls were purposeful -- like the way the man on the bridge was described as seeming to have intentness
I personally wouldn't be surprised if the witnesses in fact saw three different men & that those men were intentionally dressed the same (something easy enough to do given the outfit of choice)
maybe Allen made the perfect bookend on the bridge precisely because the girls didn't know him (but they would recognize whomever they met at the crime scene)
adult men I've encountered who are no taller than 5'5" always "feel" even SHORTER -- because of human nature/the way culture influences perception
it makes me think 300 pounds of teenage athletes would definitely have defensive wounds... he was 180lbs (37C07-1111-IF-001671) and already had suffered a heart attack!
also, a 5'4" individual using a sharp object on another 5'4" individual... -- wouldn't you need a step stool to cut the victim's neck such that the cut doesn't come out beveled? for real, though
(if the angle has been reported, I missed it & would be interested to know)
at this juncture, the "coincidences," et al that the people point to who believe Allen is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt are no different in abstract than the many "coincidences" that the people who believe the crime was motivated by religion
listen, Martinsville is less than two hours from Delphi and...
invalidating the potential relevancy of white supremacy in these murders is, at a minimum, ignorant; the position along the lines of, "it doesn't make sense for white supremacists to sacrifice two white girls," is ignorant, at best, too, of the literal definition of sacrifice... Definition of SACRIFICE
I would be interested in a good faith explanation of how one can believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the specific set of circumstantial evidence while disparaging to such an extent a different specific set of circumstantial evidence
when considering people connected to such a contemptible crime, I argue it is more likely that sociopathic bad actors pursuing power and control had self-serving interests to cooperate in exploiting the "innocent until proven guilty" / Occam's razor /benefit of the doubt, etc employed by the average reasonable person
than
the well-intentioned witnesses describing who they saw were ...wrong
about
seeing what they saw with their own eyes
[understood the limitations of memory, etc etc, but a man being significantly shorter than the average height of men in America I reasonably expect to make an impression that would be remembered when describing seeing this person (what is the average height of men in Delphi??? one witness described the man she saw as beautiful... likeee, please advise)]
my benefit of the doubt goes to the well-intentioned witnesses -- that they were nowhere near as wrong about what they saw as they would have to be if it really was Allen they saw
[it's not above me that girls & women comprise both the victims and witnesses, and the bad actors in this thought exercise are all me]
anyway, claiming white girls wouldn't be in fact an ultimate sacrifice to white supremacists is as nonsensical to me as the many coincidences presented at trial, including, but not limited to, the missing recordings, the only man identified via DNA was an investigator, a bullet being compatible with a gun, of course it was a woman who was put up to explaining apples and oranges are both fruit so they might as well be the same thing, people being on the trail at the same time as each other, the timing of the sheriff election, Kelsi's DNA at the crime scene is rationalized as resulting from laundering a sweatshirt on which itself her DNA wasn't found, photos work for blood spatter analysis but not for forensic firearm examining, etc etc etc raising no reasonable doubts for those who are already convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Allen is solely responsible for this awful double murder
[...hmm, maybe it makes sense after all that people who are already convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Allen is solely responsible for this awful double murder may also be the people who are unclear on how you're very much so not making a sacrifice if what you're giving up is meaningless to you !!]
all of these things can be true, but the system isn't designed to process such levels of complexity
[I wouldn't be surprised that, if a day comes where someone else goes to trial related to this crime, the premise of the murders will be completely different -- like how Steve Avery and Brendan Dassey murdered Teresa Halbach together and were convicted consecutively based on contradictory/mutually exclusive facts presented at their respective trials by the same prosecutor]
the missing phone is really significant to me in believing Allen was connected to this crime, & I trust the jurors--the average reasonable people--to do the right thing come the end of the trial
