Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[MassGuy]

This seems like bad practice when you are treating a patient that is awaiting trial for murder. I mean computers crash and you risk losing everything. It was certainly not just your everyday patient she was treating here and she knew this.

I can’t imagine it would just be saved on a computer itself, it would be in some sort of patient portal.

 

[m00c0w]

Just finished watching my Yankees lose the World Series in ghastly fashion, so I am way behind and need to catch up.

Therefore I’m sure this has been commented on quite a bit, but I cannot refrain—-Baldwin slapped BW with a subpoena right there in court????

It seems to me that if Baldwin has no answer for BW’s testimony, he devolves straight into theatrics.

I’d say the entire defense has been theatrical right from the start, actually.

JMO

Yes, either impeach him or move on.

 

[Warwick7]

True, but RA was not interrupted. That part is not true.
He continued to assault the girls for another hour.

@otto I deeply respect you and your posts. However, yes he was interrupted by his own admission of the van. The sexual assault he planned was foiled. He marched them across that water (or they ran from him) throwing himself off kilter again.
Sounds like Libby fought like he!! All of this interrupted his desire his fantasy of raping young girls.
However this is just moo.....

 

[photographer4]

I will direct you back to my original comment with the map:

My annotations are in blue. The pins and red annotations are from GH.

I think I really need to try to sleep before I try to absorb anything further this evening, but thanks for your efforts. Bookmarked for tomorrow…

 

[otto]

This is the view from the top of the bridge looking down the hill. That road you see is the road N625W that leads to the Weber property.

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If you go straight across that road, it leads through more woods and to the creek. Articles of the girls' clothing were found in the creek. Some were closer to the Down the Hill side of the creek and some were closer to the discovery side of the creek.

I placed a small x where "BG" forced the girls' down the hill. The arrow shows their approximate direction of travel after RA says he got interrupted by Weber returning home.

The big X is the approximate area where the girls' were discovered.

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Thank you!

 

[photographer4]

@otto I deeply respect you and your posts. However, yes he was interrupted by his own admission of the van. The sexual assault he planned was foiled. He marched them across that water (or they ran from him) throwing himself off kilter again.
Sounds like Libby fought like he!! All of this interrupted his desire his fantasy of raping young girls.
However this is just moo.....

What makes people think she fought like hell? I thought she had no defensive wounds? Did we get more testimony and I’m really more behind that I think?

 

[Momofthreeboys]

My first reaction. At the scene and at the time so immediately wondered what his alibi was that cleared him originally.

 

[Warwick7]

I’d like to know too. It seems like the defense was making a show of it.

Yes! And this attitude comes from a defense team who leaves their crime scene photos unsecured and allowed access by a person without clearance.

Their serious failure almost cost this trials existence.

 

[Warwick7]

Where's that poll, today put me over the edge from "I don't know" to "Guilty"
IMO

BAM!!!!

 

[dub]

I can’t imagine it would just be saved on a computer itself, it would be in some sort of patient portal.

Yes, that’s exactly how it’s done.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Apparently I was too subtle before so I will be more specific.

The fact that there weren't obvious signs of SA on either victim's body doesn't mean that they weren't sexually assaulted.

There are forms of sexual assault that will leave no signs afterward.

Therefore I think it is entirely possible that Abby and Libby were sexually assaulted in some way.

 

[Teche]

With Delphi being such a small community, I am sure local LE were familiar with her and knew she was a trustworthy person. I think Kathy Shank is a hero. She also found the lost tip on her late husband's birthday. IIRC, he was fairly recently deceased.

A certain dose of kismet or karma, there. Like the rainbow last week.

MOO

Wasn't she a former Child Protection worker?

 

[Warwick7]

I didn’t see this White Van coming even though both NM and JH gave out pretty obvious clues of what to expect. JMO

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/state-defense-deliver-opening-statements-in-delphi-murders-trial/

“McLeland said Allen planned to “have his way” with the girls but was interrupted and then killed them.”

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-trial-isp-lt-recounts-richard-allens-arrest-interviews/

Holeman said he believed the sticks were used to camouflage the girls’ bodies, rather than be used to position them in a certain way.

He does, however, think Allen “…may have heard somebody”, such as a car, that interrupted him during the murder. “Before he killed them, after, I don’t know.”

When you think about it, again moo, I feel RA's plan was going to kill them in the end when it was over.

BW showing up when he did, spooked RA by his own admission.

In essence without knowing it, BW stopped the girls from being sexually assaulted.

Again moo....but this is how I feel.

 

[otto]

@otto I deeply respect you and your posts. However, yes he was interrupted by his own admission of the van. The sexual assault he planned was foiled. He marched them across that water (or they ran from him) throwing himself off kilter again.
Sounds like Libby fought like he!! All of this interrupted his desire his fantasy of raping young girls.
However this is just moo.....

Maybe he intended to assault the girls under the bridge, but the white van returned home, so he decided to cross the river to the ravine to assault them (nearer his vehicle). Since he spent more than an hour with them; presumably his plan, would he choose a location under the bridge, or across the creek near the cemetery and up the ravine?

Was he interrupted? He spent an hour with the girls after that "interruption", so it doesn't sound it.

 

[INfisherman]

Yes! And this attitude comes from a defense team who leaves their crime scene photos unsecured and allowed access by a person without clearance.

Their serious failure almost cost this trials existence.

"By accident"….yet another odd coincidence involving this entire case. Deplorable actions. States quite a bit towards their character. Wonder how they’d feel if someone did that with their son or daughter’s crime scene photos? And we question ethics…..pppfffttt.

JMO

 

[otto]

What makes people think she fought like hell? I thought she had no defensive wounds? Did we get more testimony and I’m really more behind that I think?

This crime scene drawing tells the bloody story that Libby "fought like hell".

Numbering is speculation.
Yellow = Abby
Red = Libby

 

[AugustWest]

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This information is deceiving because it illustrates the inverse of what it should, which was pointed out today. RA could own the only 2016 Black Ford Focus SE in Carroll County, but the important identification is the car in the HH video. The witness could not state that the car in the HH video was a 2016 Black Ford Focus SE. I don't remember the exact number but there was around 50 or 60 (maybe 68?) Ford Focus with the same body style in the "surrounding counties."

 

[Warwick7]

That is interesting.

As a counterpoint, my wife is a licensed mental health professional in our state and she almost exclusively takes digital notes. If she takes written notes, she transfers them to the electronic record during her admin time and shreds or discards the written notes depending on how detailed they are. This is true for the other members of her practice as well.

Just an anecdote and just my (wife’s?) opinion.

I will agree...
I volunteered in mental health and counseling. I have no degree. However our volunteer work was vital.
I typed all my notes on to the main frame.
However, for the privacy of my clients I was to shred all my notes.

 

[m00c0w]

Thank you!

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We came up with very similar end results.

Map is my opinion of what happened, at what location, at what time, based on my understanding of the facts up to this point in time.

 

[Amber29]

And fires, floods, theft can destroy the written record. I honestly don't see her transferring written notes to electronic notes as that big of a deal, and it feels like the only reason it's portrayed as a big deal is because the defense is trying to use that to somehow make her testimony less credible. Of all of the things she did, that's the most normal.

JMO

I don’t see an issue with her transferring written notes to electronic, the issue I have is her destroying the written notes. Why not just file them? She even testified today that it wasn’t a good choice.