Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[susiQ]

I think that blue coat is long gone, thrown away the same time as the box cutter (confession). We know that CVS issued them, and they seized some from Allen.

I did hope for more detailed confessions, but I’ll take that one to his mom that seemed to be given in a lucid mental state (as opposed to the rest of them).

The account he provided about his day was also important to me, as it added color to the events and couldn’t be found in discovery.
Him saying he did it over and over didn’t do it for me. I needed details outside of that.

The van is important, as even if the defense casts doubt on if it was BW’s or not, it was a realistic detail about a distraction. I do think it was probably his van though.

My biggest unanswered question is why Abby was wearing Libby’s clothes, and how the crime scene came to be. Allen is the only person who could answer that question, and it’s apparent he never has.

If he is found guilty I think he may ultimately provide these answers at some point. If he lives that long (I don’t think he’s long for this earth).

IMHO RA cannot reveal that which he does not know. While it is possible that Wala fed him details of a “white van” she had gleaned from her numerous social media accounts, how the clothes ended up as they were is something she or others would not likely know. Only the killer(s) know that detail.

Regardless, it already appears that Weber’s testimony is about to be impeached. The D has him cornered. It’s very interesting to listen to how it’s all going down. JMHO

 

[Vern]

It does tell us a bit about him. Lots of people have an interest in movies like that, but I'd definitely expect that from a guy who would commit a crime like this.

Also: On Oct. 5, 2022, Allen searched "Delphi murders." He had searched "Delphi murders update" five times in the first week of August 2022.

Not surprised at all to see those searches about the case. I imagine he searched at a much higher frequency early on, but it tapered off until there were updates in the media (nothing like that going on during that time period).

First week of August coincides with KAK news & the runes noise static ...

Found Deceased Thread 'IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147'

Apr 22, 2019

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below

HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19...

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October 3rd coinicides with chatter regardins KAK PCA and a_shots.


Seems 'Lil Ricky was keeping up to see if LE was going to manage to frame SOD for his own crimes to me. He was probably thinking he was perhaps scott free in those days ....

Too bad for him that KS found that lost tip of his on 21 Sept, so by 3 October LE was already on their way to him. Poor 'Lil Ricky IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

IMHO RA cannot reveal that which he does not know. While it is possible that Wala fed him details of a “white van” she had gleaned from her numerous social media accounts, how the clothes ended up as they were is something she or others would not likely know. Only the killer(s) know that detail.

Regardless, it already appears that Weber’s testimony is about to be impeached. The D has him cornered. It’s very interesting to listen to how it’s all going down. JMHO

It’s possible, but it doesn’t bother me. I don’t see it as a smoking gun; just another piece of the puzzle. There are far more important ones.

 

[photographer4]

Anti ligature clothing…normal. Low bed…normal,can’t throw yourself off it. Nailed to the floor so it can’t be upended to hang himself off. Lack of furniture…can’t barricade to slow down staff entering….all standard when a prisoner has stated intent

Except is it standard for a man absent an actual conviction to be in a prison... under these conditions? Not moo - that is a question.

2. It is against Indiana Law how he was held, and he isn't the first to experience this sadly.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/12/us/indiana-solitary-confinement-settlement-trnd/index.html

"Under Indiana law, a person can spend a maximum of 30 days in restrictive status housing, also known as solitary confinement or segregation, after which authorities must review whether the prisoner should remain there."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/12/us/indiana-solitary-confinement-settlement-trnd/index.html

 

[susiQ]

It’s possible, but it doesn’t bother me. I don’t see it as a smoking gun; just another piece of the puzzle. There are far more important ones.

I agree, but likely for different reasons. The P never did provide that elusive “bombshell,” that mountain of evidence against RA. Personally, I feel the P did some of the D’s work for them. Nice of them. I think if there is a proverbial bombshell coming, it’s from the D. JMHO

 

[statt#1]

Early on he placed himself on the bridge. Witnesses mention no other man, but him, dressed in similar manner to what he himself described. His vehicle on camera. He speaks of his gun. He even mentions the bullet. He speaks of his blade. He speaks of the interruption, the van. He says he killed the girls. He says it numerous times, in different forms and venues. I believe him.

I'll never buy in to the idea that prison conditions drove him to confess in the manner that he did.

As for the alcohol topic, a couple beers surely could have taken him in to a blackout, if he is a real alcoholic. He may have had a fifth of vodka the night before, his blood alcohol so high that morning that a few beers sent him right back to a good drunk, or a blackout....easy. I think he didn't go to lunch that day because he knew it was nice weather, kids were out of school, and he knew there'd be opportunity once again at the trail. I think he knew well in advance if a girl would just....get.... out....on....that....bridge....he'd be good to go.

 

[minor4th]

Here is the confusing part for me--the defense is saying that he was woefully mistreated, kept isolated, neglected, abused by the guards, driven to psychosis...etc.

But then we find out he had these amenities, which seem to negate the accusations the defense is making, about him being isolated with no human contact, IMO

What amenities? He was allowed a tablet to contact his wife after his tablet had been broken for months? He was isolated and he had no contact with anyone other than a psychologist. He wasn’t allowed to interact with any other inmate or staff. The corrections officers have all stated that this was the MOST restricted cell and conditions in the whole prison, and this is pre-trial detention!

 

[Betty P]

IMHO RA cannot reveal that which he does not know. While it is possible that Wala fed him details of a “white van” she had gleaned from her numerous social media accounts, how the clothes ended up as they were is something she or others would not likely know. Only the killer(s) know that detail.

Regardless, it already appears that Weber’s testimony is about to be impeached. The D has him cornered. It’s very interesting to listen to how it’s all going down. JMHO

Why would his testimony be impeached? I don't listen to podcasts about this trial, so just asking for a brief answer if you can. Is it another conspiracy theory? TIA

ETA:
RA was very clear in his mention of the van driving by that interrupted his attack on the girls. The property owner Brian Weber owned a van and drove it there at that time, after he left work. What's the problem? Bottom line, RA gave specific information about something that happened during his attack on the girls, information LE only partially had before, but were able to verify after hearing RA's confession.

I'm reluctant to say it, but if following trials in the future means having to wade through a lot of conspiracy theories, I'll probably give up following them. CT gives me a headache.

 

[minor4th]

Upon his arrest other inmates posed the greatest threat to RA's safety. Jails didnt have the level of segregation needed.
MOO After some time passed he was moved back to a jail.
A normal innocent person, would probably understand their life was in danger from other inmates until they were cleared.

He wasn’t moved back to a different jail until shortly before his trial started. He spent 13 months in isolation.

 

[MassGuy]

This is old, and the FBI has backed away from the "organized/disorganized offender" characterization a bit, as they've learned that there tends to be a mix of behaviors. Who does this sound like though:

The organized offender may report an angry frame of mind at the time of the murder or state he was depressed. However, while committing the crime, he admits being calm and relaxed. Alcohol may have been consumed prior to the crime.

The organized offender is likely to have a car that is in good condition. Evidence of continued fantasy is present in terms of taking remembrances of the victim or crime scene. Newspaper clippings of the crimes are often found during searches of the subject's residence, indicating the offender followed the criminal investigation in the newspaper.

Allen was known to be depressed. He admitted to drinking alcohol before he went to the bridge that day. A sock and a pair of underwear were missing from the scene. His Google searches show that he was following the case.

Lots more here, it's old but it's interesting.

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/99114-99117NCJRS.pdf

 

[photographer4]

also, he needed to be kept away from other prisoners….if he had spoken about the crime or his trial and someone had said on the phone to their wife’RA said he’d done this that etc’ it would be leaked and trial jeopardised

This makes precious little sense given they stationed "inmate companions" - to sit outside his cell in the months before the trial. Moo. Delphi Murders Trial: Day 11 | Prison psychologist says Allen made multiple confessions

 

[SouthEnd]

This makes precious little sense given they stationed "inmate companions" - to sit outside his cell in the months before the trial. Moo. Delphi Murders Trial: Day 11 | Prison psychologist says Allen made multiple confessions

Until he recieved the discovery, from the same source.

 

[minor4th]

Anti ligature clothing…normal. Low bed…normal,can’t throw yourself off it. Nailed to the floor so it can’t be upended to hang himself off. Lack of furniture…can’t barricade to slow down staff entering….all standard when a prisoner has stated intent

If he was suicidal for 13 months, at some point he should have been transferred to a psych unit. IMO

 

[rebelchild]

I can't make sense of not presenting the geofence data, which resulted in the FBI contacting witnesses in the months following the murders.

His phone not being on there is strong evidence that Allen was not on his phone as he claimed (checking stock quotes). It's just really strange not to delve into that.

I tend to think maybe they left it out on purpose. At least for now. If they bring that in, then would that possibly open the door for the DT to bring in the soddi/odinist defense? Just a thought .. of course IANAL so this is MOO.

Edited to fix spelling

 

[SouthEnd]

If he was suicidal for 13 months, at some point he should have been transferred to a psych unit. IMO

Isn't the responsibility of requesting that transfer on the DT?

Genuine question.

 

[oviedo]

Early on he placed himself on the bridge. Witnesses mention no other man, but him, dressed in similar manner to what he himself described. His vehicle on camera. He speaks of his gun. He even mentions the bullet. He speaks of his blade. He speaks of the interruption, the van. He says he killed the girls. He says it numerous times, in different forms and venues. I believe him.

I'll never buy in to the idea that prison conditions drove him to confess in the manner that he did.

As for the alcohol topic, a couple beers surely could have taken him in to a blackout, if he is a real alcoholic. He may have had a fifth of vodka the night before, his blood alcohol so high that morning that a few beers sent him right back to a good drunk, or a blackout....easy. I think he didn't go to lunch that day because he knew it was nice weather, kids were out of school, and he knew there'd be opportunity once again at the trail. I think he knew well in advance if a girl would just....get.... out....on....that....bridge....he'd be good to go.

Interesting thought - it never occurred to me he could be drinking the night before / wonder if his wife was home or still caretaking at her moms?
JMO

 

[Boxer]

He wasn’t moved back to a different jail until shortly before his trial started. He spent 13 months in isolation.

His attorneys are key in this. RA was in danger from other inmates.
They hardlt visited him at Westville and never requested a competency evaluation.

 

[photographer4]

Conspiracies are everywhere...people are just way too scared these days, like a big step back to Kitty Genovese. It's really unfortunate and disheartening...boogie men everywhere. AJMO

In this case, the boogeyman is the State imo.

 

[minor4th]

Surely that's unless it is to prove that the person was showing the same behaviour that led to the crimes? Eg, if a person is accused of murdering their spouse in a fit of rage, then character witnesses talking about their violent outbursts would be allowed?

Genuine question, thank you!

It’s exactly for the reason of excluding instances of prior bad conduct for the purpose of showing he is more likely to have committed the crime he’s on trial for.

In the example you gave, that would probably not be allowed.

 

[minor4th]

His attorneys are key in this. RA was in danger from other inmates.
They hardlt visited him at Westville and never requested a competency evaluation.

They requested that he be moved to a different facility many, many times in many different ways. It was always denied.