Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[Arkay]

Is it possible the girls weren't scared? Is it possible they knew the person they went with that day? I've not heard or read any articles since the trial began that suggest the kids voices sounded frightened at all - has anyone?

That would be truly unfortunate, because the man who commanded them to go with him down the hill murdered them.

I presume if BG were someone the girls knew, he’d say “hi Abby, hi Libby,” rather than “Guys, down the hill.” I presume if he knew the girls, we’d hear them say “hi Richard” instead of “he has a gun.”

I presume the girls were trying to be surreptitious while Libby started to record and Abby was worried about the gun.

IMO if you don’t think they were scared, that is wishful thinking. Or magical thinking. Anyone would be scared if they were forced to go somewhere by somebody, and these were two barely teenaged girls.

JMO

 

[BUF]

At 36 minutes - Lawyer Lee describes "there's a high-pitched nervous sounding girlish voice and the one thing that you could hear clearly on it was some whimpering from a girl and then 'there's no path there for me to go to'".

“Whimpering from a girl” another heartbreaking bit of information

 

[Salah11]

Of all the pile of cellphone confiscated that he preserved, THE one that mattered had to go missing (recycled) .. Yeah, OK. moo

Exactly it’s all so laughable. It’s funny how the goalposts keep changing for the pro RA camp.

A conspiracy that would literally involve 1000’s of people and took 5 years to come up with and the suspect is quite willing to go along with it.

moo

 

[Deleted member 229974]

These videos the jury watch, in moo, is nothing more than a man and his guilt, that has haunted him and his subconscious.

His behavior in these videos will be his downfall.

He confessed.
He was shut down and not allowed to confess by his mother and wife.

His mental torment intensifies as this story......unfolds.

In moo he tries to suppress the guilt only to descend into madness.

There are ordinary people on that jury. I feel I'm an ordinary person. If I can see this guilt.....so will the jury.

​

I’d venture to say that they won’t all be ordinary. IMO

 

[ClearAhead]

Ok - thanks for finding that! It must have been really awful for those kids!

Truly!

Something I noticed and respect, most the media inside the courtroom are making a sincere attempt to neutrally report on what they see or hear as opposed to attaching their emotions to it. It’s emotion that most often influences opinions. JMO

 

[cherrybier]

Truly!

Something I noticed and respect, most the media inside the courtroom are making a sincere attempt to neutrally report on what they see or hear as opposed to attaching their emotions to it. It’s emotion that most often influences opinions. JMO

LL isn't media though.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I have asked this before, and could not find any information to answer it until recently: in the video made on LG's phone, when the kids are heard talking, do they sound scared at all? Do they sound terrified?

According to this link, IN v. Richard Allen: Delphi Murders Trial, it doesn't sound like the kids sounded scared in the video made on LG's phone. I'll provide the quote from the link below:

• "Reporters in court heard the voice say, “There’s no path. The trail ends here, so we have to go down here?”
• Several reporters said the tone of the comment sounded like a question."

Is it possible the girls weren't scared? Is it possible they knew the person they went with that day? I've not heard or read any articles since the trial began that suggest the kids voices sounded frightened at all - has anyone?

Libby said “gun”. They had to have been terrified.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Exactly it’s all so laughable. It’s funny how the goalposts keep changing for the pro RA camp.

A conspiracy that would literally involve 1000’s of people and took 5 years to come up with and the suspect is quite willing to go along with it.

moo

This trial has got to be one of the biggest 'circus acts' --from both sides actually--that I've ever seen here on WS (besides possibly the Casey Anthony trial). And I've been here a bit, but that's just my opinion

 

[katydid23]

I frequented a small-town drug store for years. The pharmacist knew me by name and he likely had a good idea of when I would stop in to pick up my prescriptions. He knew what time the local factories got out. One can learn about another's habits quite easily.

Either way, those confessions are a real gift to the P.
MOO

Ok, so on one hand, RA is gravely ill, psychotic, demented from the torturous treatment----

and yet he can travel back through his memory bank and remember one of his many CVS customers work schedule, and from that can figure out that he probably went to his vacationing parent's house after work to check on their empty home about 2:30 pm on the 13th?

 

[ClearAhead]

Exactly it’s all so laughable. It’s funny how the goalposts keep changing for the pro RA camp.

A conspiracy that would literally involve 1000’s of people and took 5 years to come up with and the suspect is quite willing to go along with it.

moo

Quite willing to along with the conspiracy, while having the guards tote his nude body around for his baths, haircuts and medical appointments. Just so pathetic!

 

[cherrybier]

So? That is a common figure of speech, used most often by someone who is not in a psychotic state.

My brother was a schizophrenic---he went in and out of psychosis. When he was on his meds he was usually sane and measured. When triggered he would sometimes have psychotic episodes.

When he was in his right mind he was very intelligent and truthful. If he could sit and have a coherent conversation, answer questions logically, then he was in his right mind. He was reliable and logical in that state of mind.

When he was hearing voices and acting delusional it was very obvious. He could not have a linear, logical conversation with proper responses to questions.

I do have his convo with KA handy and it convinces me he was in his right mind and sane at that time. Saying 'I think I'm losing my mind' shows me he knows the difference between those two states of consciousness. He knows he goes in and out of sanity. It's a scary thing. My brother spoke the same way. He knew he was often on the edge of sanlty. It's tragic.

When my brother was in a psychotic state he was convinced the CIA was after him. He had his windows blacked out with black butter paper and he put tin foil around his radio and TV antenna---not sure why exactly. But he was convinced Johnny Carson was speaking to him in code about some secret CIA operation. He even went to the Tonight Show one afternoon---drove from SF Bay Area to Burbank---to sit in the audience and he actually ran towards the stage during commercial break and was arrested----for real.

But in between those crazy episodes, he was sane and wonderful and very funny and sweet. When he was not being psychotic, he knew he was not in the CIA. He even laughed, kind of embarrassed about some of his antics. He remembered little of it but knew he was acting crazy during those 'fits' as he called them.

Sadly, when he was off his meds he could be volatile and dangerous. He was mad at my stepdad one time, and when my parents got home, they found Papa's stuffed living room chair in the backyard, full of holes made by an ice pick, which was broken on the lawn.

Do false confessions have to be made or taken seriously if someone is deemed in psychosis though? Or can they be a mix of that state and just a general state of hopelesness/depression?

 

[Salah11]

This trial has got to be one of the biggest 'circus acts' --from both sides actually--that I've ever seen here on WS (besides possibly the Casey Anthony trial). And I've been here a bit, but that's just my opinion

All I want is justice for Abby and Libby and them to find this rotten evil man guilty. It's just heartbreaking their lives were stolen because of a gutless coward whose life was totally insufficient decided to act out his horrible fantasy's that day.

Moo

 

[ClearAhead]

LL isn't media though.

I’m referring to MSM in general, not youtubers because they definitely are not all neutral.

 

[NoeticSoul]

This is why it was such a bad decision to remove the FBI. They would have instructed these investigators to conduct the interviews a particular way. I cannot imagine they would have recommended such a poor strategy employed here.

I think they should have used the tactic of Allen supposedly helping them, and just allow him to talk himself into trouble.

A lot of things really piss me off here but this is right up there.

BBM I wanted to add that, we saw that tactic work PERFECTLY just recently in the Leilani Simon trial where she was found unanimously guilty very quickly... and imo it was thanks to the HELP of the FBI and their MANY video taped interviews where she repeatedly "talked herself into trouble" for sure! (moo)

 

[Tortoise]

I want to know how Allen knows the girls were abducted at the south end of the bridge, and how he knows they moved across the creek.

"He saw a van and got scared, then telling the girls to cross the creek."
Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Searchers were looking north and south of the bridge when they were missing, and their bodies were found north of the creek.

I don't suppose he had access to the investigators' working theories. What about the crime scene in the discovery indicates they had moved from south to north through the creek, and had not always been north of it? How did he know which direction 'bridge guy' was moving in? Clothing can be tossed in the creek. I think that is something only the killer would have known, and law enforcement.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

You know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask this question...

Hey, @INfisherman --how active would you expect fish to be in those temps in that body of water in mid February?

Mid February? Not very active would be my best guess but consistent warning weather over a few (3-5) consecutive days combined with warm rains can rapidly increase water temp. Fish are cold blooded so water temperature dictates their activity levels.

I mostly fish lakes but other than ice, the above generally holds true for rivers & creeks. The earliest I’ve fished after iceout has been as early as late January during an unseasonably warm winter with little snow. I’ve also had to wait as long as up into April though quite rare. More often than not it’s early March.

IN weather can be all over the place when it’s close to major seasonal changes (winter to spring, fall to winter).

JMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

You know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask this question...

Hey, @INfisherman --how active would you expect fish to be in those temps in that body of water in mid February?

Not the original OP sorry!

I live in MI on a lake and ice fish, in those temps (and that was just one warm day in Feb)... fish are usually in deepest area of water where it's warmer, not shallow part of the creek imo

 

[Gigiky]

Just a reminder that there are 3 hairs from the crime scene that weren’t tested yet because they don’t have roots and will require high tech testing. I think they will be tested in the future as the tech improves. JMO bc I don’t have the link handy.

I also remember this. And if memory serves me correctly the FBI offered to do testing but was refused for the reason you stated. But then FBI said they would be able to do microscopic testing and this type of testing would leave enough of the hairs for testing at a later date. The FBI were still refused of their offer to provide testing. And for the life of me I don't understand why the refusal. JMO

 

[photographer4]

I believe RA’s confession to Dr Wala specifically his comments regarding the bullet proves the D theory of RA creating a storyline using discovery docs false. Had RA Read discovery he would have known bullet was located across the creek near the remains of the girls and not the bridge as RA described.

He should have known that anyhow since they grilled him about the bullet being on RL's property in the 2022 interview imo. He didn't know anything about it then.

And - to Wala, he didn't say the bullet was at the creek - he said he must have done something with his gun - not very specific at all imo - and thus, not conclusive evidence. Mooo

 

[cherrybier]

I also remember this. And if memory serves me correctly the FBI offered to do testing but was refused for the reason you stated. But then FBI said they would be able to do microscopic testing and this type of testing would leave enough of the hairs for testing at a later date. The FBI were still refused of their offer to provide testing. And for the life of me I don't understand why the refusal. JMO

Yes the FBI have the tech and other smaller labs as well.

I don't know why they didn't ask for their help.