Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[Megnut]

The point of my post was to show that RA wanted LE to know that if a bullet was found on the bridge, that it wasn't from his gun.

I think that is significant because he told Dr. Wala in his confession that he did something with the gun on the bridge and that is when he thought the bullet came out.

Is it at all possible that RA is a conflicted individual, wherever he is? The answer to What Kind of Person Would Do That? Decades of adulting where he's expected to conform which he does... until he doesn't.

And now in custody, without his person and without alcohol, it's just raw RA and his internal conflict oozing out. Is it possible one part of RA neeeeeeeds Wala's approval and part of that is being good Ricky, confessing with clarity? Unburdening himself. Because she listens. She doesn't hang up on him. But he's conflicted, frustrated by family members that don't listen to him, attorneys who won't listen, and that brings out bad Ricky. Anger amplified. The word maniac comes to mind. Reactive, explosive, self-destructive... as he's always been. Dangerous when lit.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Well-said, @WildHuncher.

One thing upon which we all agree as indisputable is that Abby and Libby were murdered.

We know SOMEONE did that.

RA’s DNA isn’t there. That’s weird, right? But NO ONE’S DNA WAS FOUND.

Does that mean NO ONE killed them?

There was no DNA found from EF’s spit. There was no DNA found from Odinists. There was no DNA found from any of the original suspects like RL or KAK. There is just no DNA uncovered at all.

And if the girls were taken from the trails in a vehicle, kept for several hours, then brought back and killed---why no DNA from all the Odinists?

And what would be the purpose of a group of males kidnapping 2 girls and taking them away for 8 hours? There were no signs of SA? A group of men kidnapped them and held them hostage and didn't touch them, just marched them bascxk and killed them?

Yet Abby and Libby were in fact murdered, so we must rely then on the other evidence.

Who stated he was there? Who appears in Abby’s video? Who’s confessed to loved ones and in written statements? Whose bullet was found, nestled between the girls’ bodies?

It's too simple, apparently.

It would be impossible IMO for someone to have come along later, after their bodies were removed and the crime scene was secured, and placed a bullet “just so” without knowing exactly where the girls had lain.


JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

A conspiracy that would literally involve 1000’s of people and took 5 years to come up with and the suspect is quite willing to go along with it.

It’s wild.

Would never have thought RA staging his own confession would become his key defense.

Yet here we are.

jmo

 

[Gigiky]

I don't know why I keep coming back to this thought, as to why Abby was redressed and Libby was left nude. But (JMO) its almost like the perp was trying to provide some sort of dignity to Abby but not to Libby. Was Libby his intended victim in the first place. Maybe I follow to many true crime shows.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

So? That is a common figure of speech, used most often by someone who is not in a psychotic state.

My brother was a schizophrenic---he went in and out of psychosis. When he was on his meds he was usually sane and measured. When triggered he would sometimes have psychotic episodes.

When he was in his right mind he was very intelligent and truthful. If he could sit and have a coherent conversation, answer questions logically, then he was in his right mind. He was reliable and logical in that state of mind.

When he was hearing voices and acting delusional it was very obvious. He could not have a linear, logical conversation with proper responses to questions.

I do have his convo with KA handy and it convinces me he was in his right mind and sane at that time. Saying 'I think I'm losing my mind' shows me he knows the difference between those two states of consciousness. He knows he goes in and out of sanity. It's a scary thing. My brother spoke the same way. He knew he was often on the edge of sanlty. It's tragic.

When my brother was in a psychotic state he was convinced the CIA was after him. He had his windows blacked out with black butter paper and he put tin foil around his radio and TV antenna---not sure why exactly. But he was convinced Johnny Carson was speaking to him in code about some secret CIA operation. He even went to the Tonight Show one afternoon---drove from SF Bay Area to Burbank---to sit in the audience and he actually ran towards the stage during commercial break and was arrested----for real.

But in between those crazy episodes, he was sane and wonderful and very funny and sweet. When he was not being psychotic, he knew he was not in the CIA. He even laughed, kind of embarrassed about some of his antics. He remembered little of it but knew he was acting crazy during those 'fits' as he called them.

Sadly, when he was off his meds he could be volatile and dangerous. He was mad at my stepdad one time, and when my parents got home, they found Papa's stuffed living room chair in the backyard, full of holes made by an ice pick, which was broken on the lawn.

That’s sounds so hard.
Hugs to you.

 

[Salah11]

I don't know why I keep coming back to this thought, as to why Abby was redressed and Libby was left nude. But (JMO) its almost like the perp was trying to provide some sort of dignity to Abby but not to Libby. Was Libby his intended victim in the first place. Maybe I follow to many true crime shows.

Yes I have always believed he wanted Libby that day and Abby was just there. Libby also looks like his daughter which is really creepy.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

The psych scares me...she seems like a "fan" of her client and I could go down some inappropriate and unethical roads...I'm just hoping that my brain is speculating...psychology is subjective, it was her job to make it less subjective and more quantifiable if that is possible. She did not do that IMO and I feel she left people with more questions

I feel like she liked him as well. Or at least she felt compassion for him, it seems.

But if so, why would she 'make up' a coherent confession and say it was from him? I don't see any reason for that.

I think she was telling the truth. I don't think she lied about his 'backstory'---about early sexualization by babysitter and then his own molestations of others, his sick fantasies, his alcoholism, etc. Those things are damaging to the D case, imo.

I think that confession had to come from RA's own mouth. IMO

 

[Myvice]

Imo, yes it can possibly be the result of a wide reaching conspiracy to make him appear guilty. The evidence doesn't fit RA imo so much as it has been twisted and presented to appear to fit RA. We don't even have a time of death short of sometime between when they went DTH and when they were found dead. We have not heard about stomach contents (why not?). We didn't hear about if toxicology was done (why not)? We didn't even have investigators who knew to take the sticks at the scene to the lab. Moo.

Moo but shouldn't the defense have asked that if it was in any way relevent. There was an approximate time of death established just as there are in all cases I've ever followed.

 

[Myvice]

Yes I have always believed he wanted Libby that day and Abby was just there. Libby also looks like his daughter which is really creepy.

IMO

This has bothered me too. And IIRC didn't his daughter et married that same year?

 

[justtrish]

Can't figure out for the life of me WHY they did NOT! smh Sometimes this whole trial seems completely A$$ backwards and wrong in so many ways to me!

imo

ebm to fix quoted post

I don't know what is the right thing to do here because I can see it both ways. Showing the world what this child murder did is not allowing RA to hide from the world knowing exactly what he did. I think after the leaked photos and all the hoopla about this being some ritual, they might have wanted to show that it was not. It was turned into a circus by the defense team and I think showing just real truth of what was done might have been important here. These girls are gone and they are gone because this evil man did this and he left them like he did without any care for how they would be found. If the defense didn't fill those Franks with their fictional stories then maybe showing the actual truth of this wouldn't have been needed. IMO

 

[BexLuth0r]

Just some late night musings but I really can't help but feel unbelievably sad for the girls and their families today.
This whole investigation was just mistake after mistake and if he is acquitted i don't see anyone else ever being arrested and charged.
I think he is literally it for them. I'm hoping for justice and hoping they have the right guy.

 

[katydid23]

The same psych is also the one who gave the "chronological and organized story" confession without any corroboration other than her own word. Her credibility was proven to be not great. This is what makes the case complicated. Everything is subjective. Only the jury has first hand information about the proceedings and will be the best judge. MOO

It's interesting though because she did not seem to be dishonest, even about her unprofessional antics. Apparently she told her supervisor about her SM platforms and her love of true crime podcasts, etc. She was not being deceitful.

And if she is in daily contact with rapists and murderers, speaking to them therapeutically, I can understand her interest in studying true crime cases. I'd think it would be beneficial.

The unprofessional part is her being on social media though. That is very unprofessional. IMO

I don't see anything in her behaviour which leads me to believe she made up that story about his confessions. She wrote it in her logs and discussed them with her supervisor. I think they were authentic.

 

[zh0r4]

Yes it was recorded by a stenographer. I mean it wasn’t videotaped, and as I mentioned twice now, there is not a full transcript of the hearing. For example, I don’t think you’ll find a transcript of Todd Click’s testimony.

I’m not sure if this is the same hearing, but here is an 81 page transcript that has testimony from Click and other LEOS if you haven’t seen already.

TRANSCRIPT - RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AT HEARING ON MOTION TO DISMISS HELD MARCH 18, 2024
March 18, 2024 Motion to Dismiss Hearing.pdf

 

[kkdj]

I don't know why I keep coming back to this thought, as to why Abby was redressed and Libby was left nude. But (JMO) its almost like the perp was trying to provide some sort of dignity to Abby but not to Libby. Was Libby his intended victim in the first place. Maybe I follow to many true crime shows.

I have heard that Libby was his focus. With that being said I feel he allowed Abby to redress and in Libby's clothes. Abby's clothes would have been too small for Libby and Abby wearing her clothes forced Libby to have nothing to put on. Those poor girls.
moo

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I've been under the impression that LE and the judge didn't (and don't) believe there was/is credible evidence to suggest anyone else committed this crime... particularly none the defense presented.

Does this automatically suggest violation of the 6th, and also suggest there's a conspiracy against RA by the judge and LE??

jmo/questions

Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t “We The People, which includes a judge and jury, supposed to consider a defendant innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt before they make assumptions? TIA IMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I would not be shocked with a hung jury the way the trial has played out. There is both compelling evidence and a lot of reasonable doubt.

There’s compelling evidence and defense team lies in my opinion.
Too many people are expecting all the evidence usually presented in a sixty minute TV crime show, but circumstantial evidence carries the same weight as direct evidence, and convicts guilty people every day. No jumping up and down screaming about those cases.
Why is this case not afforded the same. This case is required by some to have in-your-face, filmed-while-it-happened evidence.
The defense has gathered their army of blindfolded YouTubers etc and followers and are perpetuating a huge fraud on our justice system. It is shameful.
It’s not going to succeed. There may be doubt, but there is no reasonable doubt. Only fantasy and emotion generated by a desperate defense.

My opinion for a long time

 

[NoeticSoul]

I don't know what is the right thing to do here because I can see it both ways. Showing the world what this child murder did is not allowing RA to hide from the world knowing exactly what he did. I think after the leaked photos and all the hoopla about this being some ritual, they might have wanted to show that it was not. It was turned into a circus by the defense team and I think showing just real truth of what was done might have been important here. These girls are gone and they are gone because this evil man did this and he left them like he did without any care for how they would be found. If the defense didn't fill those Franks with their fictional stories then maybe showing the actual truth of this wouldn't have been needed. IMO

IMO I am 100% confident that the truth will always win in the end, regardless of the sloppiness of human intervention and lies. Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief, or ignorance. moo

 

[Boxer]

I also remember this. And if memory serves me correctly the FBI offered to do testing but was refused for the reason you stated. But then FBI said they would be able to do microscopic testing and this type of testing would leave enough of the hairs for testing at a later date. The FBI were still refused of their offer to provide testing. And for the life of me I don't understand why the refusal. JMO

Personal beliefs probably, but ill serving Abby and Libby.

 

[Boxer]

There’s compelling evidence and defense team lies in my opinion.
Too many people are expecting all the evidence usually presented in a sixty minute TV crime show, but circumstantial evidence carries the same weight as direct evidence, and convicts guilty people every day. No jumping up and down screaming about those cases.
Why is this case not afforded the same. This case is required by some to have in-your-face, filmed-while-it-happened evidence.
The defense has gathered their army of blindfolded YouTubers etc and followers and are perpetuating a huge fraud on our justice system. It is shameful.
It’s not going to succeed. There may be doubt, but there is no reasonable doubt. Only fantasy and emotion generated by a desperate defense.

My opinion for a long time

I see compelling evidence and the attempt to create doubt with other tactics than logic.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

I want to know how Allen knows the girls were abducted at the south end of the bridge, and how he knows they moved across the creek.

"He saw a van and got scared, then telling the girls to cross the creek."
Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Searchers were looking north and south of the bridge when they were missing, and their bodies were found north of the creek.

I don't suppose he had access to the investigators' working theories. What about the crime scene in the discovery indicates they had moved from south to north through the creek, and had not always been north of it? How did he know which direction 'bridge guy' was moving in? Clothing can be tossed in the creek. I think that is something only the killer would have known, and law enforcement.

JMO

Yes and according to the Franks the defense couldn’t get facts correct by looking at crime scene photos/ discovery: little blood at the scene, AW “clean” and clothes were dry.
RA knew because he was there and directed the whole scene.
Jmo