Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[MiniMoo]

Naaa, 60+ times is overkill. IMO

It's excessive and I expected more from them.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[minor4th]

The call from May 17, 2023, was between Allen and his mother.

“Did Kathy tell you I did it?” Allen asked his mother.

“We’re not going to discuss this, okay?” his mother, Janis, replied. “We love you. You know that, don’t you?”

“Regardless?” Allen asked. “I’m just worried you guys aren’t going to love me because I said I did it.”

“Just saying it doesn’t mean you did it,” his mother said.

“It does when I did,” Allen replied.

“Ricky, they’re just messing with you,” she said.

“No, Mom, they’re not,” he said. “So if I said I did it, you wouldn’t love me anymore?”

“I will always love you no matter what. You can count on that,” his mother said.

He doesn't sound psychotic or confused to me in that ^^^ call. Reporters in court said he sounded calm and measured.


“I killed Abby and Libby,” Allen told his wife.

“No, you didn’t,” Kathy Allen responded.

“I think I did,” he said.

“They are messing with your mind,” his wife said.

“I think I did. I don’t know. I wish they would kill me and let me apologize to the families.”


During a May 10, 2023, call, Allen told his wife he thought he was losing his mind.

“I need to tell you something any way,” he told his wife. “I need you to know that I did this.”

“No, you didn’t, dear,” his wife responded. “There’s no way.” She also suggested her husband was not well.


He does not sound like someone in a psychotic episode.IMO. He is tracking the conversation, answering the questions appropriately, and not being incoherent.

Sure, some of his thoughts are weird---wish'd they'd kill me and let me apologise----very strangely worded thought.

But he is mentally 'unwell.' I don't deny he has mental health issues. But I think he had them for quite awhile. According to what he told Dr Wala, he would agree.

But I don't think those confessions are indicative of someone 'chaotic' or disorganised. I've experienced that with my schizophrenic brother, and he would never have been able to communicate like these above convos if he was having an episode. Truly chaotic, disorganised thinking is so bizarre and disordered, with total nonsensical mutterings, and animal sounds and laughing for no reason, etc. IME

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-did-it-do-you-still-love-me-jurors-hear-allens-phone-call-confessions-in-delphi-murders-trial/

Clearly we disagree. I’ll find some of his statements that I find indicative of a delusional/confused state.

 

[katydid23]

I wonder why would anyone would confess 60+ times? Seems rather excessive to me. I’d think once would be all that’s necessary. There must be something seriously wrong with someone who would do that. IMO

I guess once would be enough if your wife or mother believed you and tried to help.

 

[minor4th]

I think LE could have gotten a detailed confession out of RA if they had used a woman LE to conduct the interviews.

They couldn’t interview him at that point because he was represented by counsel and they would have had to get a waiver of rights.

 

[Spartygirl]

Just jumping off your post...

If I understand correctly...
Wasn't the Discovery material delivered to RA by some type of messenger...
Not by the defense team?

If so... I feel this was not helpful to RA...

Seems the D team could have hand delivered the material...
AND... ""walked RA through" the information...

Possibly helping RA to process the information while being helped to understand...

Maybe my suggestion isn't how it is typically done...
But... I would think it could be a way for inmates to minimize the shock/triggers?

JMO...

Great questions !!

His (RA) D team Bozos sent an intern to deliver discovery documents and other documents.

Why they, themselves did NOT deliver them to him and go through the documents with him is a great question.

I have a guess it's because they were too busy writing their FRANKS Motions 1,2,3,4 & 5 instead of trying to help their client through the process.
JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Naaa, 60+ times is overkill. IMO

I wouldn't dismiss the power of a strong emotion like remorse.

In Latin, mordere means "to bite;" thus, remorse is something that "gnaws" at you over and over.

Definition of REMORSE

a gnawing distress arising from a sense of guilt for past wrongs : self-reproach; compassion… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Spartygirl]

You know what's weird?

Right after one of the local papers/tv stations there updated their daily live blog after BW testified, I went and looked him up immediately (before the reports of his testimony went and clogged up the first 5 pages of Google results).

All the information on BW in terms of Abby & Libby's murders talked about that being his parents house, they were out of town, and he was checking on it.

However since he has appeared in this trial, I see no mention of the house belong to his parents and him just checking on it. Every news source calls it his house. Now, maybe his parents have died since then and he's currently living there/the owner, but what happened to the information about his mom owning it when the murders occurred?

JMO, pretty sure his mom is still alive.

You can also check property plots for land owner's names.

Check obituaries if needed and again , JMO

 

[MiniMoo]

We shall see. There’s really no point in guessing at this point.

True!

For me, this trial answered a few questions that I had been asking and cleared up what was just speculation.

Hopefully, more questions can be answered

JMO MOO JMT

 

[shonyakay]

Clearly we disagree. I’ll find some of his statements that I find indicative of a delusional/confused state.

Like cheating on his wife with a cigarette? He may have we know he did with a spork.

 

[jepop]

This was also covered in direct testimony during the 3 day hearings. Warden provided the interview requests from RA to Internal Affairs per procedure.


Adobe Acrobat

That helps my understanding on the actual procedural level . Thanks for finding the info from testimony and posting.

EBM deleted word trial before word testimony. Link was to testimony given in pre -trial hearing.

 

[KooshBall]

They couldn’t interview him at that point because he was represented by counsel and they would have had to get a waiver of rights.

I'm not sure what you are talking about because I didn't even specify a point in time in my post. I was, however, referring to when he was questioned, and yelled at, before he was under arrest.

 

[shonyakay]

They couldn’t interview him at that point because he was represented by counsel and they would have had to get a waiver of rights.

He wasn't represented by counsel during the Holeman interview in October 2022 and that is what OP was referring to.

 

[Warwick7]

Naaa, 60+ times is overkill. IMO

Please no offense, but slicing and slicing again their necks is overkill.

 

[Boxer]

Great questions !!

His (RA) D team Bozos sent an intern to deliver discovery documents and other documents.

Why they, themselves did NOT deliver them to him and go through the documents with him is a great question.

I have a guess it's because they were too busy writing their FRANKS Motions 1,2,3,4 & 5 instead of trying to help their client through the process.
JMO

Lazy. 90 minute drive too much.

 

[Spartygirl]

Yeah, that sure doesn’t make sense. Whoever “they” are, that took it upon themselves to decide if a jailed suspect wasn’t being serious about committing a crime, why would they do that? It makes no sense. IMO

Exactly !!

"THEY" were, IMO, his attorneys, who did not want him to plead Guilty.

They have too much invested in their Franks 1,2,3,4,5, etc and their social media minions, plus the leaked crime photos, which one of their people committed suicide.

So, NO, his D team did not want to hear that and you are correct in saying that, quote --"Whoever “they” are, that took it upon themselves to decide if a jailed suspect wasn’t being serious about committing a crime"
Unquote
JMO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

The burden of keeping it in all of those years? Dr. Wala said he seemed relieved after he confessed to her.

I have read that most of the times an offender is relieved after confessing to LE. They usually go back to the cell and sleep.
Unfortunately RA was trying to seek this and the only individual that was somewhat willing to listen to was Dr Wala. I think the way he was immediately shut down by family and possibly others caused immense stress.
Ultimately he decided the acceptance of his earthly family was more important than his heavenly salvation.
Perhaps after conviction they will be open to hearing him. Maybe not.
Jmo

 

[Cyber sleuth]

That helps my understanding on the actual procedural level . Thanks for finding the info from testimony and posting.

EBM deleted word trial before word testimony. Link was to testimony given in pre -trial hearing.

Your welcome. I have all those transcripts handy. It will be a while before we have trial transcripts but I’m not even sure his lighting situation was discussed outside of the hearings.

 

[MassGuy]

I have read that most of the times an offender is relieved after confessing to LE. They usually go back to the cell and sleep.
Unfortunately RA was trying to seek this and the only individual that was somewhat willing to listen to was Dr Wala. I think the way he was immediately shut down by family and possibly others caused immense stress.
Ultimately he decided the acceptance of his earthly family was more important than his heavenly salvation.
Perhaps after conviction they will be open to hearing him. Maybe not.
Jmo

He does want to talk, I have little doubt of that. If he is convicted though, I think he'll be encouraged by his family and attorneys to keep his mouth shut, as the opportunity would still potentially exist to win that appeal. He's the kind of guy who will eventually write long, rambling confession notes from prison though. I can't imagine his mental health will ever improve, as it appears he was a mess on the outside and being on the inside won't help, even if the situation is improved from his pretrial confinement conditions.

It appears that he's been acting up while he's in jail, and I don't see that going away.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I believe Libby tried to unlock phone without letting BG=RA=Killer know that she was trying to unlock it.

BBM a 2:14:41--Libby tried to unlock phone, was unsuccessful.

Poor girl was probably trying to unlock phone, press 911.

So whatever you are trying to insinuate that 911 was NOT called is just wrong.
These are 2 teenage girls.

In court testimony
2:07 – the last time the phone was unlocked (later testimony also said a picture was posted to Snapchat at this time, but that photo was not located on Libby’s phone)
2:13:51 – the 43-second video of Abby and a man behind her on the bridge starts
2:14:34 – the video ends
2:14:41 – Libby tried to fingerprint unlock the phone, but it was unsuccessful
2:32:39 – last phone movement
10:32:26 – phone likely dead (Cecil testified that this was inaccurate in his 2019 report and he corrected it in his 2024 report.)

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he-was-covered-in-mud-and-blood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

I really don’t understand your point. All of the locking and unlocking, you cannot take a video if your phone is locked. Is it known how many feet away BG was from the girls when she began recording? How many feet when she was trying to hide that she was trying to unlock it?
And you are mistaken that I was insinuating anything negative about the phone activity.

 

[iamshadow21]

Exactly !!

"THEY" were, IMO, his attorneys, who did not want him to plead Guilty.

They have too much invested in their Franks 1,2,3,4,5, etc and their social media minions, plus the leaked crime photos, which one of their people committed suicide.

So, NO, his D team did not want to hear that and you are correct in saying that, quote --"Whoever “they” are, that took it upon themselves to decide if a jailed suspect wasn’t being serious about committing a crime"
Unquote
JMO

I can be critical of things the defense has said and done throughout their connection to this case and the defendant, but I think it's a stretch to say that they would completely disregard their client's wishes in this way. RA was asked at numerous points about his plea and about his desire to continue to retain this team as his attorneys. He had every opportunity to speak up and cite irreconcilable differences, to say to the judge that his team was ignoring his direction. He put in writing that he wanted to continue with them, even after he'd been given others temporarily.

Would a defense team so grossly violate their client's rights and risk disbarment? I don't think so. I think they have enough sense of self preservation to not.

MOO