Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[Salah11]

IMO the victim might not be aware they were molested such as while they were sleeping

Exactly!

The fact he has been thinking about molesting his sister is sickening and probably acted on it.

 

[Myvice]

As an innocent person being thrown to the wolves by this underhanded Defense, his whole life being wrecked by havoc and innuendo, I can see how BW would be upset. I probably would be doing worse than that with them coming at me IRL.

JMO

I agree. And e said he took a lie detector test. Probably not fond memories for him.

 

[BUF]

Kyla is with WISHTV

@KylaBRussell

I personally did not hear her say she did or did not love him.


5:28 PM · Nov 4, 2024

I wonder what the jury heard?

 

[MerBeach]

Baldwin asks Mullin if they had ever heard of a white van 30 minutes outside of Delphi with a suspicious thin man asking kids if they wanted candy. Mullin says he does not recall.

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They do understand that this is the jury trial and they should strive to maintain internally consistent narratives at this point, right? So now are we speculating that the white van that RA didn’t see because the confession is the product of psychosis was actually also driven by the person that killed the girls by luring them in with candy?

Oh my. This trial just jumped the shark.

I totally agree with you, m00!

 

[ClearAhead]

Of I were a juror and heard this after trial, I would be livid. The jurors needed to hear Gull say this to the defense.

This is so sad. I can just imagine how it unfolded……a severely mentally challenged man (mentality of 7 yr old) is informed by his sister that he spit on one of the girls, he said so and the police are coming to talk to him. He worries about it and so he asks the officer if it’s true.

And the D just can’t let it go….

JMO

 

[m00c0w]

This is so sad. I can just imagine how it unfolded……a severely mentally challenged man (mentality of 7 yr old) is told by his sister that he said he spit on one of the girls. He worries about this so he asks the officer if it’s true.

And the D just can’t let it go….

JMO

This was also asked after a buccal swab, and the defense never seems to provide this context as to why such a person might have spit on their mind.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

That's fantastic!

By all accounts, although the witness was interviewed shortly after the abduction/murder, and there was no mention of his vehicle.

Richard Allen then described the witness' vehicle during a confession, accurately describing his vehicle as a white van.

The only way that Richard Allen knew what the witness was driving that day at that time is that Richard Allen was there, "down the hill" with Libby and Abby, when the van passed at 2:30.

During prosecution opening statements, they said that Richard Allen had information that only the murderer knew: the white van. The defence said during opening statements that they would prove that the girls were taken away in a vehicle and then taken to the ravine in the middle of the night. We're waiting to hear more about that theory.

We were talking about this yesterday but the thread closed before I could get back to you.

Notice that the 2:08 - 2:18 time slot has no steps; only meters. Since he was very detailed in his chart, I don't think it's an error that the steps are missing. What happened during that time? Ten minutes passed before she started walking again.
Then there's a 7 min. time gap between 2:18 and 2:25. What's that about?
Maybe that's part of the D's theory?
Also, how could her trail steps start at 1:31 if she didn't get dropped off until the stated time?

"A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017":
1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change
https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he...lood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

 

[Myvice]

Did Webber say he checked his ATM's on the computer and that would tell him if he needed paper or money? I could swear I read that. I don't think he physically stopped each day and checked on them but through a computer program. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Oh....so now they claim a white van 30 minutes outside of Delphi with a suspicious thin man asking kids if they wanted candy is the killer??

And they claim Odinist did it??

And now are they trying to blame Weber??

Ugh!

NONE of these are on trial here!

 

[Salah11]

Oh....so now they claim a white van 30 minutes outside of Delphi with a suspicious thin man asking kids if they wanted candy is the killer??

And they claim Odinist did it??

And now are they trying to blame Weber??

Ugh!

NONE of these are on trial here!

The good news is this just looks like sheer desperation so it won’t stick.

Only one man on that bridge dressed as the killer and that’s RA.

Moo

 

[steeltowngirl]

I agree. And e said he took a lie detector test. Probably not fond memories for him.

I think @girlhasnoname was responding to me and referring to BW (not EF), as I had noted he was yelling on the stand again. And he wasn’t! I was reading a post that quoted another day’s testimony. It has been a confusing day. And now we have candyman in a van!

 

[ClearAhead]

We were talking about this yesterday but the thread closed before I could get back to you.

Notice that the 2:08 - 2:18 time slot has no steps; only meters. Since he was very detailed in his chart, I don't think it's an error that the steps are missing. What happened during that time? Ten minutes passed before she started walking again.
Then there's a 7 min. time gap between 2:18 and 2:25. What's that about?
Maybe that's part of the D's theory?
Also, how could her trail steps start at 1:31 if she didn't get dropped off until the stated time?

"A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017":
1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change
https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he...lood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

The simplest explanation is the reporter who was hastily scratching down the numbers on overhead ran out of time. JMO

 

[Gigiky]

I had posted earlier today that I was watching the documentary, DOWN the HILL : The Delphi Murders Parts 1&2. Its on Youtube. Each episode is about 40 mins long. I think it was made in 2021. If you haven't watched it check it out. Couple of things in there that jumped out at me coming from the people involved that have not been talked about on WS that I know of or in court. But check it for your self.

 

[photographer4]

We were talking about this yesterday but the thread closed before I could get back to you.

Notice that the 2:08 - 2:18 time slot has no steps; only meters. Since he was very detailed in his chart, I don't think it's an error that the steps are missing. What happened during that time? Ten minutes passed before she started walking again.
Then there's a 7 min. time gap between 2:18 and 2:25. What's that about?
Maybe that's part of the D's theory?
Also, how could her trail steps start at 1:31 if she didn't get dropped off until the stated time?

"A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017":
1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change
https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he...lood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

I have wondered this as well since I don't believe that the health app tracks steps when you're in a car. To me, steps means they're taking steps/walking or jogging but they're not in a car moving and they're not stationary. MOOO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

The simplest explanation is the reporter who was hastily scratching down the numbers on overhead ran out of time. JMO

Libby would have been moving with her phone prior to the trail. Leaving the house, gerting in the car, etc.

 

[m00c0w]

We were talking about this yesterday but the thread closed before I could get back to you.

Notice that the 2:08 - 2:18 time slot has no steps; only meters. Since he was very detailed in his chart, I don't think it's an error that the steps are missing. What happened during that time? Ten minutes passed before she started walking again.
Then there's a 7 min. time gap between 2:18 and 2:25. What's that about?
Maybe that's part of the D's theory?
Also, how could her trail steps start at 1:31 if she didn't get dropped off until the stated time?

"A chart in Cecil’s report outlined the recorded movement for Libby’s phone on February 13, 2017":
1:31 pm – 2:08 pm – 1,682 steps (707.34 meters)
2:08 pm – 2:18 pm – 414.38 meters
2:25 pm – 2:32 pm – 66 steps (50.64 meters)
2:31 pm – two-floor elevation change
https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he...lood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/

2:18-2:25 lines up with the girls and RA/BG going down the hill and stopping. And then RA/BG moving everyone because BW drove by at 2:25.

JMO

 

[otto]

I'll just say none of the testimony surprised me. It's not like the D would put them on knowing they had experienced these things. They knew the answers before they asked the questions Lawyer 101.
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Someone mentioned in a previous post that everybody loses, while true, nobody has lost what Abigail Williams and Liberty German lost that day 7+ years ago...their precious young lives taken in a violent and brutal fashion by a sick little man.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

As always, JMO

A violent and brutal sick little man.
That's Richard Allen.

Everything the defence is presenting right now emphasizes how sick and brutal he is. When Richard Allen experiences stress, he does not have migraine. His stress reaction is energetically/abnormally acting out sexually (e.g.: nudity, feces, toilet). This is proven with his prison outbursts. The defence argument is that prison conditions cause stress, stress triggered a reaction, that reaction was nudity, eating feces, drinking from toilets, etc.: Richard Allen's reaction to stress is sexual outburst, including murder?

What was the stressor prior to the murders? What did RA and his mother discuss on the morning of the murders? What made Richard Allen so mad that he wanted to kill?

The second psychologists said that, prior to the arrest, finances were his biggest worry. I'm curious about his financial situation in February 2017.

 

[FrostedGlass]

This is so sad. I can just imagine how it unfolded……a severely mentally challenged man (mentality of 7 yr old) is informed by his sister that he spit on one of the girls, he said so and the police are coming to talk to him. He worries about it and so he asks the officer if it’s true.

And the D just can’t let it go….

JMO

Why did his sis tell him that he spit on the girls?

Maybe there's a reason they can't let it go.
There's the guy TL saw on the private drive road and there's a sketch of his face.
There's the car that was seen along the road, an older model
and the D showed him a pic of a car that fit the description.
Maybe the D found that car and who it belonged to?

 

[arielilane]

DELPHI, Ind. — For the first time in the Delphi murders trial, family members of Richard Allen were called to the witness stand.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-richard-allens-family-takes-the-stand-for-first-time/

Weber testified that he drove a white van home from work on that fateful day. This seemingly mild detail has been a key factor in the prosecution’s case as Richard Allen’s prison confession included him saying he was spooked by a passing van before deciding to murder the girls. Data from Libby’s phone also shows the cell phone stopped moving at around 2:30 p.m. at the same spot the girls’ bodies were found.

 

[arielilane]

I found BW to be a credible witness. moo