Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[IHAVENOCLUE]

That is why I am skeptical of today's expert witness, She is claiming that NOTHING RA said during that 3 or 4 month period is reliable. She is saying he is totally unreliable and everything he says should be disregarded.

I strongly disagree because of my 60 years of experience with a schizophrenic family member. He was not delusional and erratic 24/7. He would have 'episodes' which are clearly recognisable. But even if he had an episode one morning---if we calmed him down, made sure he took his next round of meds, and got him to eat and sleep, he could wake up and be cognisant, coherent and engaged.

Just because he spoke fearfully about the CIA wanting to kidnap him while we were eating breakfast, doesn't mean that he couldn't regroup, get himself more focused, and be able to have a calm, measured conversation by dinnertime.

I don't see any reason why the details he reportedly gave to Dr Wala were not reliable. Even if he allegedly had some frantic or disorganised phone conversations earlier that does not mean he can't regroup or recover and be more coherent later in the day. I've seen it happen that way for years.

Not that I wish the situation with your much loved brother on anyone...

But...
Perhaps one or more jury members have had the same experiences as you...
and will be able to speak the truth to the other jury members...

Bless you, Katydid. <3

 

[photographer4]

his own wife - maybe SHE encouraged him to tip himself in the day after the BG pic was released
Moo

Could be… I’m behind - did she testify today as well or not yet?

 

[shonyakay]

There is no plausible explanation that the defense can come up with to explain how digital evidence on Libby's phone corroborates RA's detailed confession to Dr. Wala.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Haven't read this yet - edited - i see the link above now. Ty

Defense's 14th witness, Brittany Zapanta, Richard Allen's daughter​

(Editor's note - a previous version of this story reported that Zapanta said "no" when asked if she loved her father. This has been corrected to show that Zapanta said "yes," she does love her father)

 

[al66pine]

"Mentality of 7 yr old" ???

This is so sad. I can just imagine how it unfolded……a severely mentally challenged man (mentality of 7 yr old) is informed by his sister that he spit on one of the girls, he said so and the police are coming to talk to him. He worries about it and so he asks the officer if it’s true.

And the D just can’t let it go….

JMO

@ClearAhead
W my having missing chunks of MSM trial coverage and many posts here too, I'm lost on reference to man w "mentality of 7 yr old." I'm puzzled.

@ClearAhead Anyone?
Can someone pls point to which day # of trial MSM reported this and/or which witness? TiA

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Libby and Abby were down the hill and beneath the bridge at 2:18 pm. They were at the top of the bridge at 2:13 pm being forced down the hill, under the bridge. We know the girls were immediately told to undress somewhere in the nearby forest.

Richard Allen confessed that he forced the girls to go down the hill after flashing a gun. He was going to sexually assault them, but a white van drove by, so he was interrupted and forced the girls to cross the creek, where he slit their throats with a box cutter. Gotta wonder - was the sexual moment ruined for Richard Allen? He no longer felt the urge to sexually assault the teenagers. Instead, he killed them to eliminate witnesses?

Based on LIbby's phone movements, updated every 10 minutes, it looks like she stopped moving between 2:08 and 2:18 (perhaps after getting undressed). She remained there until 2:25, at the same approximate time that the van drove past. Then she moved, and elevation changes (20 feet) correspond with the ravine between Deer Creek and the Cemetery.

Imo this pattern of behavior aligns with what the expert testimony described today. When the going gets tough RA will abort mission.
He couldn’t call his wife or mommy on 2/13/17 at 2:30pm to come help him solve his big problem. He didn’t have his phone. So he killed his victims.
The expert did not help RA’s case today IMO. She didn’t make the confessions less believable, she made him look more like just the kind of guy to become unhinged enough to do the crime.
At least Wala had me thinking that he was filled with remorse. Now, I think this is a pattern of behavior. Rinse and repeat.
Now it just makes me wonder if he’s done it before.
JMO

 

[Vern]

Oh my. This trial just jumped the shark.

I totally agree with you, m00!

That would be weird, because the defense tried to get testimony and evidence admitted by speculating that he was driving a white truck and a white truck was seen at the CPS building later in the day on 2/13.

The jury would have no way of knowing this, but we can all read the defense’s filings and see the ever-changing narratives.

JMO

The defense tried so repetitively to get their Franks motion in, and JG declined every time because there was no solid evidence.

That was the defense’s entire narrative, none of which panned out.

The lack of blood at the crime site—-which was actually saturated. The girls hung upside down—-which was completely fabricated. A runic F on the tree which was really a bloody handprint from a desperate Libby.

But that was their story and they were sticking to it.

Only now it’s BW with a van?

It’s everybody and anybody except the one man who was actually there?

I have no idea what BW looks like, but if he does not resemble BG, please defense, stop wasting everyone’s time.

Jmo

Yep. For days in here I've read and challenged the posts claiming that the "white van" knowledge was out there in the public domain with even some follow-on allegatons that therefore Dr. Wala fed it to him.

Not a single link to such to back up those claims. Even at 3:30pm let alone 2:30pm.

What is out there is white cars, white trucks (4:20pm) and white pickup trucks ... and the Candy Man van 30 minutes outside of Delphi.

I predicted that the Defence would not bring forward into evidence a single one of these "White Van" sightings in the vicinity of the crime scene at the time of the crimes because I searched like heck ... and there is none.

NOT a one. Only RA divulging during a confession that white van driving down that driveway and interrupting him approx 1430hrs - 2:30 pm on 13th February 2017.

BW as a SODDI? Yeah, perhaps he teleported himself from work to home in order to be on that bridge to abduct the girls well-prior to 2:30pm and his white van is some super top secret ninja Tesla experimental self driving van that drove itself home to do any interrupting. Crazier things have been alleged as possible in this case.

And now we're back to the already cleared SODDIs. Sigh.

Please just make the craziness stop already; the black helicopters circling over this case are getting really, really ridiculous. Please someone let the defense team know that I found a trail cam pic of the suspect vehicle they seek.

All of the above is JMT, IMO, IMOO etc

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDg2UsYG0zozCHKfqAblWbYyDQC8TFs6G88Q&s

#JusticeForAbby&Libby

 

[Megnut]

It seems to me that RA's mental health deteriorated rapidly, not because of the conditions of incarceration (beyond the obvious, that he was restricted from leaving) but because his family stopped talking to him. IMO that's what made him spiral. He needed their approval and they cut it off. That's what he couldn't handle.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Do we have the color of Weber's van?

 

[jepop]

It seems to me that RA's mental health deteriorated rapidly, not because of the conditions of incarceration (beyond the obvious, that he was restricted from leaving) but because his family stopped talking to him. IMO that's what made him spiral. He needed their approval and they cut it off. That's what he couldn't handle.

JMO

So agree with you on that. Jmo that was the the one thing guaranteed to trigger emotional breakdown. I still believe RA was under internal pressure of his own to confess at some point ( have not followed the specific dates if all his confessions) and perceiving that his wife would not hear (love/accept) him as he really was, he retreated from his attempts back into passivity.
All moo and speculative.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Just wondering, why would the Defense risk their careers by lying to the court? They know he said things - they've heard the recordings that were available. If they asked RA and he said he said these things, they can't say he didn't say them - that would be lying to the court. I think they're doing the right thing by showing how the statements were were affected by his living conditions/treatment/medications/isolation etc... MOOO.

Just jumping off your post...
Not directed at you, Photographer...

Could this assertion by the defense that RA's living conditions in prison is so uncomfortable as to determine an outcome of a trial become a precedence for many other current/future trials?

Just a question...

And one I am concerned about.

JMO...

 

[photographer4]

Imo this pattern of behavior aligns with what the expert testimony described today. When the going gets tough RA will abort mission.
He couldn’t call his wife or mommy on 2/13/17 at 2:30pm to come help him solve his big problem. He didn’t have his phone. So he killed his victims.
The expert did not help RA’s case today IMO. She didn’t make the confessions less believable, she made him look more like just the kind of guy to become unhinged enough to do the crime.
At least Wala had me thinking that he was filled with remorse. Now, I think this is a pattern of behavior. Rinse and repeat.
Now it just makes me wonder if he’s done it before.
JMO

Where did you read he didn’t have his phone? Was he not looking at the stock ticker… on his phone? Or had this changed now? Pls link if there’s more info I’m missing so I can catch up!

I don’t think he needed to call anyone as there wasn’t a problem to solve if he’s not guilty. Moo.

 

[photographer4]

It seems to me that RA's mental health deteriorated rapidly, not because of the conditions of incarceration (beyond the obvious, that he was restricted from leaving) but because his family stopped talking to him. IMO that's what made him spiral. He needed their approval and they cut it off. That's what he couldn't handle.

JMO

Do you have a link to show it was his family’s choice to stop speaking with him? I’ve not heard this - I heard yesterday or the day before on Andrea Burkhart (approved lawyer from YouTube) he was not permitted to see his wife except twice in one year? It seems clear his wife and family support him as evidenced by showing up to court daily and testifying today so if you have a link to back up that they stopped speaking to him, pls share! Maybe I am way behind more than I thought! Ty.

 

[MassGuy]

Where did you read he didn’t have his phone? Was he not looking at the stock ticker… on his phone? Or had this changed now? Pls link if there’s more info I’m missing so I can catch up!

I don’t think he needed to call anyone as there wasn’t a problem to solve if he’s not guilty. Moo.

If he was looking at his phone it would have shown up on the geofence. We know his phone did not show up, due to common sense and the fact that it was mentioned that no evidence like that puts him there (they may have been more specific).

That's because a phone must connect to a tower in order for one to be "watching a stock ticker" while walking to look at the beautiful fishies.

Allen was lying, and he’d have absolutely no reason to do that.

Well, I can think of one.

 

[ClearAhead]

"Mentality of 7 yr old" ???

@ClearAhead
W my having missing chunks of MSM trial coverage and many posts here too, I'm lost on reference to man w "mentality of 7 yr old." I'm puzzled.

@ClearAhead Anyone?
Can someone pls point to which day # of trial MSM reported this and/or which witness? TiA

This person was never a POI, definitely not a suspect in this case so sorry but further discussion of him will take the focus away from RA’s trial.

 

[minor4th]

If he was looking at his phone it would have shown up on the geofence. We know his phone did not show up, due to common sense and the fact that it was mentioned that no evidence like that puts him there (they may have been more specific).

That's because a phone must connect to a tower in order for one to be "watching a stock ticker" while walking to look at the beautiful fishies.

Allen was lying, and he’d have absolutely no reason to do that.

Well, I can think of one.

I don’t think there’s been any evidence presented about the geofence - or did I miss it?

 

[m00c0w]

If he was looking at his phone it would have shown up on the geofence. We know his phone did not show up, due to common sense and the fact that it was mentioned that no evidence like that puts him there (they may have been more specific).

That's because a phone must connect to a tower in order for one to be "watching a stock ticker" while walking to look at the beautiful fishies.

Allen was lying, and he’d have absolutely no reason to do that.

Well, I can think of one.

I believe Holeman testified to it at one point. JMO

 

[browneyes]

Someone posted a video where a man goes step by step with the events leading up to the murder. I’ve searched and cannot find it. It is such an interesting watch. The woman who saw BG=RA and turned and went back to her car, thereby passing Libby and Abby….did she say why she turned around? When her (BB?) dot passes the girls, my heart sank and I wish they had followed her. Apologies again that I cannot identify the dots video. TIA

 

[Megnut]

Someone posted a video where a man goes step by step with the events leading up to the murder. I’ve searched and cannot find it. It is such an interesting watch. The woman who saw BG=RA and turned and went back to her car, thereby passing Libby and Abby….did she say why she turned around? When her (BB?) dot passes the girls, my heart sank and I wish they had followed her. Apologies again that I cannot identify the dots video. TIA

 

[Vern]

Someone posted a video where a man goes step by step with the events leading up to the murder. I’ve searched and cannot find it. It is such an interesting watch. The woman who saw BG=RA and turned and went back to her car, thereby passing Libby and Abby….did she say why she turned around? When her (BB?) dot passes the girls, my heart sank and I wish they had followed her. Apologies again that I cannot identify the dots video. TIA

I think the Gray Hughes video??

Edit to add a *jinx* to @Megnut !!