Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[Deleted member 296739]

That’s not true. As far was BW is concerned, she said that she could now rule it out. It was inconclusive at the time, but based on the match with Allen’s gun (the language they use isn’t actually match) she could now do that.

So there was no contradiction whatsoever.

Was it ruled out that NO other guns would match? And the P witness used fired rounds to test correct? I’m serious behind on this case/thread TIA

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Okay so if RA was psychotic when he confessed or mentally ill is he better now? And if so why hasn't he called and told his mom and wife that he didn't do it? I mean, he called them when he was "psychotic" and told them he did it, since he wants their love and approval so much IMO once he was "better" he would call and tell them "I didn't do it I wasn't in my right mind when I said that I did" or something to that effect.

If these calls exist of him denying this will we hear them from the defense? Or do they not exist?

 

[INfisherman]

Was it ruled out that NO other guns would match? And the P witness used fired rounds to test correct? I’m serious behind on this case/thread TIA

Hi. Would a link to the local Delphi paper suffice regarding the ballistics testimony?

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Oh yes the hanging from the trees that was detailed in one of the many Franks memos that was quoted over and over here on WS.. the yellow rope that must have been used to hang them up.. yeah okay you mean the yellow rope that LE used to mark a pathway into the area so NOT to contaminate the crime scene? They said there was a lack of blood so they must have been killed somewhere else and brought back in the middle of the night yada yada yada... but yet there was large pools of blood beneath and close to the girls and all of it explained in detail making perfect sense of how they were killed right there and bled out right there by an actual expert not a magical thinking one. All that hoopla about a ritual and yet this group they wanted to blame is NOT known to do any of the sort of things they laid out as facts in their memo. Then their "expert" that used magical thinking.. Good grief and it's a ritual because it was outside by the water. They have shown ZERO proof and how anyone can believe their Franks are true after these actual facts have came out is beyond me. And some wonder why we don't trust the defense because they aren't supposed to lie in official court filing. Oh no they can't do that, so it must be true because they had all those footnotes and backed up their claims with citations.. but they did lie a lot. Now it's the judge's fault and she is just showing her bias.. OR how about she's fed up with their lack of proof and all this wasting of the courts time with their false claims. I would think any lawyer doing half of what they have done would be on thin ice with any judge presiding over a trial.

IMO

Hopefully this week we see justice fulfilled for Abby and Libby.

I think it might make it to jury this week. We will see but the court is blocked off for this trial until the 15th.

 

[MassGuy]

Was it ruled out that NO other guns would match? And the P witness used fired rounds to test correct? I’m serious behind on this case/thread TIA

She didn't go that far, as I don't think it's possible to say that. She explained that she used fired rounds because it makes the markings more observable for comparison. It'll be interesting to see what the defense expert said today (obviously he'll testify that it's not a match).

 

[twall]

If, like you said, the Geo didn't show RA's phone then it's obvious, IMO, he didn't have that phone he said he had with him that day. We know it wasn't turned off because RA himself said he was using it. Do you think he lied about that?

I never said the car had anything to do with the cell tower. I said LE must not have gotten any data, his car didn't "talk" and give them any location data, like some cars can do. I'm guessing not RA's.

We'll see what the defense comes up with next, they seem to be stuck on Odin. Maybe they'll put a couple of inmates on the stand, KAK and Chadwell? They were looking into transport for them not long ago and IIRC they're on the witness list.

No, I don't think he lied about the phone. As I said before it doesn’t show up when the state wants it to because he wasn't there.

His car may not have GPS capability. Ford Focus SE is a lower end trim model. I have 5 vehicles and a motorcycle, only 1 has GPS/Navigation capability.

Have no idea about JBC and KAK. Haven't seen a signed transport order for them, just one for JJ.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

No, I don't think he lied about the phone. As I said before it doesn’t show up when the state wants it to because he wasn't there.

His car may not have GPS capability. Ford Focus SE is a lower end trim model. I have 5 vehicles and a motorcycle, only 1 has GPS/Navigation capability.

Have no idea about JBC and KAK. Haven't seen a signed transport order for them, just one for JJ.

JMO

He's either lying about the phone, or lying when he was there (between 1:30 and 3:30, or whatever it was he said in that initial interview). Both things cannot be true at the same time.

 

[AmandaSkis]

Even they noticed it:

Is that based on a percentage or just a flat out number because I would be curious about the percentage?

 

[Momofthreeboys]

It isn't because he didn't have a phone with him that day. Too bad his car couldn't talk, no data from there either. Why have the defense never mentioned where RA was during the time of the murders. Not even a he was home, just nada.

He claimed he had a phone with him and I think that's all the jury knows.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Why is it suppressed?

It's a good question, and you won't need the judge to answer.

My understanding is that prosecution wanted geofencing not to be included as it is too broad and lacks tools to triangulate a boundary properly. CAST is a better technology, at least as far as I have learned from reading on the threads.

There are others on here that are knowledgeable on the topic of geofencing that may chime in.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

She didn't go that far, as I don't think it's possible to say that. She explained that she used fired rounds because it makes the markings more observable for comparison. It'll be interesting to see what the defense expert said today (obviously he'll testify that it's not a match).

Thanks- and yes curious about what will be said today-

 

[steeltowngirl]

the evidence that they had to arrest him isn’t in my opinion, sufficient to warrant the level of pretrial detention in state prison,

Before the idea above grows legs again, RA wasn't placed in a state prison due to evidence against him. It was intended for his safekeeping as he was a danger to himself, and the local jails were not equipped to handle the level of mental health needs. He was potentially in danger from other inmates at the local jails, as well.

jmo

 

[INfisherman]

Thanks- and yes curious about what will be said today-

Here is a link if you wish to read about Oberg’s testimony:

Firearms expert testifies in Delphi double murder trial - Carroll County Comet

A cartridge found at the crime scene in the Delphi double murder of Abigail Williams and Liberty German was cycled through a handgun owned by Richard Allen, Melissa Oberg, a former ISP forensic firearms examiner, testified Friday. Oberg said her conclusion was based on cycling and firing Allen’s...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Hi. Would a link to the local Delphi paper suffice regarding the ballistics testimony?

sure- thanks- on my phone- not the easiest to search for stuff- thank you

 

[sunshineray]

No, I don't think he lied about the phone. As I said before it doesn’t show up when the state wants it to because he wasn't there.

His car may not have GPS capability. Ford Focus SE is a lower end trim model. I have 5 vehicles and a motorcycle, only 1 has GPS/Navigation capability.

Have no idea about JBC and KAK. Haven't seen a signed transport order for them, just one for JJ.

JMO

After all his confessions and witness testimony, I believe he was there, beyond a reasonable doubt. We disagree, he did lie, IMO. When is a person's recollection better, after 2-3 days or after almost 6 years? I got there at 1:30 to I left at 1:30. He changed it almost 6 years later. AJMO

 

[INfisherman]

sure- thanks- on my phone- not the easiest to search for stuff- thank you

No problem - see my post above your last (quoted here). Feel free to ask for links - most folks will probably be happy to help.

 

[shonyakay]

I also think it's obvious that Richard Allen was describing a different group of girls. He saw an older girl with 2 little girls and said it appeared that the older one was babysitting the little ones.

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There were two older teen girls and two younger girls' in the group.

Two older teen girls', a 13-year-old, and a 12-year-old.

Richard Allen's Search Warrant describes only three of the four girls' statements.

Kathy Shank who located the DD tip said that what stood out to her is this man (RA) stated he saw three girls' and she knew three girls' had saw BG.

If one girl out of the bunch did not see BG, then maybe BG/RA did not see her.

 

[Crutmauler]

Why wouldn't the defense have given her Dr Wala's reports? That seems very remiss of them. That was information from someone on site treating RA. You'd think an expert witness would have wanted ALL that information on RA's day to day, to make a diagnosis. The picture she got is very incomplete. She was never given his LE interviews either to see how lucid he was in those interactions, before his arrest. Another redaction of information by the defense to their expert witness. It seems RA's defense only wanted certain videos played and information given to their expert. That's what you'd call stacking the deck. I'd take the word of people who have dealt with RA on a daily basis for 2 years than a doctor not getting complete information about a subject and after 9 hours of face to face deciding what had actually occured in 2023. I believe this expert's opinion is extremely flawed because of that. AJMO

The state's case that Allen was malingering just doesn't fly when they forcefully gave him shots of Haldol against his will. If he was malingering there would be no reason to give him Haldol in the first place.

 

[Crazyjster]

Does anyone know why RAs phone data is not admissable?

 

[m00c0w]

Good questions.
The defense wanted to show by geofence there were other people in the area at the time the state claims the murders happened, state didn't agree and judge ruled in favor of state and halted defense expert former FBI agent CAST expert Kevin Horan from testifying. More grounds for appeal imo.

Do you have a source that Kevin Horan can’t testify?