Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[FrostedGlass]

Let's not allow the jury to hear the psychiatric effects of solitary confinement.

Motion In Limine Filed Motion in Limine - Expert Grassian.pdf Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 11/05/2024​

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11/05/2024​

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[tlcya]

DAY FIFTEEN Murder Sheet

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Fifteen: Allen's Family Speaks

We discuss the fifteenth day of Richard Allen's trial. We heard from Allen's sister Jamie Jones and daughter Brittany Zapanta, as well as testimony from Brad...

murdersheetpodcast.com

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Apparently Dr Westcutt would not share all of the test results w/Prosecution—Diener called them out —Rozzi said u could have deposed her—JG said it was a Discovery issue, not depo issue...it got kind of heated

this: it isn't on the prosecution to depose the defense witness to simply get access to her testing results along with her report about same. This is simple discovery IMO that should have been provided to them so they could adequately prepare to cross this witness. DT should have provided her report AND her test results (even those that may not as strongly supported her report and testimony) to the prosecution in the normal course of discovery MOO

 

[photographer4]

My concern is she only had 20 hours of RA video to watch and this was provided by defense. Then she spent 7 hours with RA over the course of 2 days. As we can see now, RA is able to present normal when he wants to ( even under intense stress).
I think Wala had more insight into his day to day behavior and therefore was capable of determining RA’s baseline behavior and when he was feigning symptoms or acting out due to stress.
It didn’t make me doubt his confessions to his family and Wala or Warden.
JMO

I feel like Westcott’s training, experience and overall professionalism make her a far more reliable doctor and witness imo. Andrea Burkhart pointed out on her live last night that Dr. Wescott even examined handwriting of RA from before the crime and since being in prison. It was really interesting! Here’s a link to an article about it:

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 15 | Expert witness on interviewing Allen; Video of Allen played for jury

The trial of Richard Allen moves into its third week in Carroll County, IN. The defense continues to present its case to the jury.

www.wrtv.com

I noticed a few media articles pointed out that Wala’s report read like a story. Also, the State asked Westcott if she read the ammended report. She stated she didn’t receive one. My question is why was Wala’s report ammended, when, and by whom? Many posts yesterday included this testimony about the ammended report. Pls search thread for them.

 

[twall]

if he wasn’t in the location of the murders during the state’s timeline wouldn’t that be exculpatory? Why did the judge suppress this???

Good questions.
The defense wanted to show by geofence there were other people in the area at the time the state claims the murders happened, state didn't agree and judge ruled in favor of state and halted defense expert former FBI agent CAST expert Kevin Horan from testifying. More grounds for appeal imo.

 

[somequestions]

"Allen said he kept an eye on a stock ticker on his phone while on the trail. After leaving, he said he went home and continued to watch the stock market to "try and get rich." He said he considered it a hobby."

Delphi murder trial: Libby's blood was likely mixed with her tears, expert says

A pattern on the body of Delphi murder victim Libby German showed her blood was likely mixed with tears, an officer testified.

abc7ny.com

Maybe he was watching the afterhours trading prices? I thought the main stock market closed at 4pm ET.

 

[AugustWest]

We know they’ve already did it at the beginning of the trial as soon as the branches were mentioned. This was just for show.

The defense is doing it again for a reason. The reason is they feel that the door has been opened due to witness testimony. A party has to make timely objections as not to waive any later opportunity for appeal.

 

[shonyakay]

Be happy to.
Anna’s tribute to Abby and Libby

Thank you. I love this.

Baby Abby was such a cute Chunky Munk @30 seconds.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Absolutely! Every defense attorney lays the foundation for appeal. That's part of the job.
Some do it far better than others. These two are in the "far better" group.

With all their years of experience, I'm sure they know the definition of nexus.
That remark was his frustration with with.
MOO

I have to wonder if the absence of a live feed is what makes this case unique for me as there are wildly different opinions on how well of a job prosecution has done and how well defense has done and which team did the better job. Quite interesting for me to read the thread.

 

[shonyakay]

That's what has worried me about the case. The confessions are damning...but they wouldn't have gotten the confessions if he wasn't in custody. The evidence that lead to his arrest needs to be convincing on it's own.

The unspent bullet is convincing on it's own.

RA is so guilty Stevie Wonder can see it.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Good questions.
The defense wanted to show by geofence there were other people in the area at the time the state claims the murders happened, state didn't agree and judge ruled in favor of state and halted defense expert former FBI agent CAST expert Kevin Horan from testifying. More grounds for appeal imo.

Agree and for me this was the reason they added the defense witnesses that were not called by prosecution who were in the area during the time in question. It's quite odd not to have that sort of information (cell phone, location data, etc.) but I personally got the message that the jury knows there were more than just RA out on the trails that day and near the bridge.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

The unspent bullet is convincing on it's own.

RA is so guilty Stevie Wonder can see it.

I don't know about that - didn't the expert testify that she had to actually shoot the bullet or did I misinterpret that. The question in my mind was did she actually shoot the other guns she was testing or only RA's?

 

[MiniMoo]

Good questions.
The defense wanted to show by geofence there were other people in the area at the time the state claims the murders happened, state didn't agree and judge ruled in favor of state and halted defense expert former FBI agent CAST expert Kevin Horan from testifying. More grounds for appeal imo.

Seems the Defense have some people there from 2:30 pm on including that man with the camera that didn't have his memory stick returned to him. I think him. None heard or saw anything, but were there during the time the State feels is most crucial.

It will be interesting to see where the Defense takes it.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[tlcya]

I don't know about that - didn't the expert testify that she had to actually shoot the bullet or did I misinterpret that. The question in my mind was did she actually shoot the other guns she was testing or only RA's?

not quite accurate. she shot a round through the gun(s) she was testing but not "the" round if that makes sense.

 

[Kudzuu]

I don't know about that - didn't the expert testify that she had to actually shoot the bullet or did I misinterpret that. The question in my mind was did she actually shoot the other guns she was testing or only RA's?

The protocol she followed was to shoot a bullet with RA's gun then compare to the unspent round. Shooting would use more force and make the markings on the bullet more pronounced.

You can eject a bullet with varying force unlike shooting. That is why the procedure is that t way. IMO

 

[Vern]

this is why I do not follow LL. Because they misrepresented even in their rhetorical question posted upthread. LITERALLY nobody had a crime scene photo on their Facebook. Someone had a piece of "art" that depicted something that some moron thought resembled the crime scene. But the rumor machine infected the public and that rumor is what caused Facebook "detectives" to tip certain individuals early, because the art resembled what the public THOUGHT the crime scene looked like. The "sticks" turned out to be branches that depicted nothing save a disorganized chaotic killer's panicked mind. The runes turned out to be not runes but the last attempt of a dying child to keep herself upright.

Keep in mind there was also a rumor early on that the girls had been exsanguinated and hung from trees, their blood drained and somehow magically removed from the scene and the public immediately tipped in people who had shared images of Odin and the hanged man of Norse mythology on Facebook.

The fact that LL and so many others are still pushing this garbage for clicks is outrageous to me and why I choose to give their "reporting" not a single ounce of consideration. JMO MOO

Oh yes the hanging from the trees that was detailed in one of the many Franks memos that was quoted over and over here on WS.. the yellow rope that must have been used to hang them up.. yeah okay you mean the yellow rope that LE used to mark a pathway into the area so NOT to contaminate the crime scene? They said there was a lack of blood so they must have been killed somewhere else and brought back in the middle of the night yada yada yada... but yet there was large pools of blood beneath and close to the girls and all of it explained in detail making perfect sense of how they were killed right there and bled out right there by an actual expert not a magical thinking one. All that hoopla about a ritual and yet this group they wanted to blame is NOT known to do any of the sort of things they laid out as facts in their memo. Then their "expert" that used magical thinking.. Good grief and it's a ritual because it was outside by the water. They have shown ZERO proof and how anyone can believe their Franks are true after these actual facts have came out is beyond me. And some wonder why we don't trust the defense because they aren't supposed to lie in official court filing. Oh no they can't do that, so it must be true because they had all those footnotes and backed up their claims with citations.. but they did lie a lot. Now it's the judge's fault and she is just showing her bias.. OR how about she's fed up with their lack of proof and all this wasting of the courts time with their false claims. I would think any lawyer doing half of what they have done would be on thin ice with any judge presiding over a trial.

IMO

Hopefully this week we see justice fulfilled for Abby and Libby.

The antlers; how could you forget those antlers. Those antlers that showed up in zero crime scene drawings that came out of the trial.

I do wonder if anyone is keeping actual statistics on the precentages of nixed Defence Motions, objections "sustained " and "overruled", unfavourable rulings have to do with the Defence's own propensity to stick that Odinism crapola in every chance they get. That's smack dab their own fault.

As for "Nexus" and AB's latest & greatest --- Gull told you exactly what "NEXUS" is numerous times IAW the Laws of the State of Indiana. Time for them to either ante up the factual linkages or fold. Their obsession with this angle doesn't bode well for their client.

_Order on September 3, 2024.pdf

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[Davemac1]

Good questions.
The defense wanted to show by geofence there were other people in the area at the time the state claims the murders happened, state didn't agree and judge ruled in favor of state and halted defense expert former FBI agent CAST expert Kevin Horan from testifying. More grounds for appeal imo.

People? Or phones?

 

[twall]

People? Or phones?

Phones I assume had people attached to them.

 

[sunshineray]

There isn't any because he wasn't in the location of the murders during the State's timeline so they motioned to have it suppressed (Motion in Limine, end of April 2024) and the judge granted it.

It isn't because he didn't have a phone with him that day. Too bad his car couldn't talk, no data from there either. Why have the defense never mentioned where RA was during the time of the murders. Not even a he was home, just nada.

 

[shonyakay]

Good questions.
The defense wanted to show by geofence there were other people in the area at the time the state claims the murders happened, state didn't agree and judge ruled in favor of state and halted defense expert former FBI agent CAST expert Kevin Horan from testifying. More grounds for appeal imo.

Are any of those other people linked to the crime scene like RA is with the unspent bullet?

 

[twall]

Are any of those other people linked to the crime scene like RA is with the unspent bullet?

I have no idea as I don't know who they are. The question from op was where is phone tower dump data. I answered jury won't be hearing any of it due to suppression.