Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[INfisherman]

Heresay - yes! Seen this mentioned by Lawyer Lee and Andrea B.

JMO MOO JMT

Yet no objections by the D if that were the case? Asking, not jabbing.

 

[katydid23]

Ah - do they get another go around?

I must say I do find it so funny how much pre-trial handwringing there was about discovery then at trial stuff is being discovered on the day which has happened in virtually every US trial i have followed.

I'm not sure about Indiana courts---but usually the prosecution gets a very short rebuttal after the defense rests---they can only present evidence in response to something the defense set forth. They can recall an expert, for example to clarify something the D expert may have said.

 

[arielilane]

The defense left to discuss the instructions in private, and returned to the courtroom around 9:50 a.m. The courtroom awaited their return in total silence.

McLeland chimed in and said the state had no objections to the instruction as proposed, but prosecutor Andrew Baldwin drew attention to instruction regarding if Richard Allen testified or not. The pool reporter noted that instructions about jurors not drawing inferences out of absence of testimony is different from passages he’d seen before but he “accepts the modified language.”

Defense attorney Brad Rozzi asked for time until the afternoon to “finalize instructions relating to jurors judging credibility of Allen’s incriminating statements,” whether they were voluntary or involuntary.

Gull said she planned to give the jurors instructions before closing statements and will limit the argument lengths to 2- 2.5 hours. “Two hours is a long time for folks to be sitting in these really uncomfortable chairs,” Gull said.

Russell reported that court was in recess until 10 a.m.

The next step in the trial is closing arguments from the prosecution and defense, then it will turn to the jury to make final decisions.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 17 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering 13-year-old Abigail Williams and 14-year-old Liberty German in 2017, is on trial in Carroll County, Indiana. The defense rested their case at the start of Day 17, and are expected to give closing arguments soon.

wishtv.com

 

[shonyakay]

Court in recess until rebuttal witnesses arrive. State, judge, and jury caught off guard by the defense resting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854180801371361423

Wasn't KA supposed to testify for the defense?

 

[arielilane]

DELPHI, Ind. – On Day 17 of the Delphi murders trial, the defense rested its case.

Defense attorney Bradley Rozzi started Wednesday’s proceedings by announcing the defense was finished presenting its case. The jury was then taken out of court at 9:15 a.m. The state and defense discussed jury instructions.

At one point, the defense team left the courtroom, which remained silent for a long period of time before Allen’s attorneys returned. The prosecution and defense ultimately had no objections to jury instructions.


Rozzi asked Gull for additional time to submit a proposal on how to judge the credibility of Allen’s incriminating statements; Gull said the defense had until the “end of business” to submit one.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-defense-rests-its-case/

 

[Cyber sleuth]

The crime scene makes perfect sense if you’re talking about a mentally ill killer under the influence of alcohol.

And I must say I am shocked he took that bridge walk with 3 beers in him. It had been entertained but I always dismissed it.
But it makes sense now the decisions he made, especially fleeing the crime scene bloody and muddy and taking a route he could be spotted by drivers.
Those poor girls. Having drunk, raging little man attack them on a beautiful day.
JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm not sure about Indiana courts---but usually the prosecution gets a very short rebuttal after the defense rests---they can only present evidence in response to something the defense set forth. They can recall an expert, for example to clarify something the D expert may have said.

They might not see the need for rebuttal and rely on closing statement.

jmo

 

[arielilane]

#BREAKING: The defense rests in the #Delphi double murders trial. Here’s exactly what happened.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854181826606030926

 

[MassGuy]

Wasn't KA supposed to testify for the defense?

That was expected, and the fact that we were looking forward to that is probably why they didn’t call her.

She may have hurt them more than she helped them; doors could have been opened that the defense wanted kept closed.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854180801371361423

 

[BUF]

Wasn't KA supposed to testify for the defense?

Guess that would have been too risky with what the prosecution would have gotten out on cross

 

[WildHuncher]

Sounds like the bodies were not there until after 10 imo. Moo.

You can tell if a body has been moved hours after death. It would have been noted at the time.

 

[AugustWest]

Yet no objections by the D if that were the case? Asking, not jabbing.

The defense objected.

 

[justtrish]

I guess the Defense didn't need three weeks after all.

JMO

It sounds like they didn't even need the time they actually did take. Finishing early several days and stalling in questioning witnesses another day.

 

[shonyakay]

Guess that would have been too risky with what the prosecution would have gotten out on cross

True. Basically I was asking because last I heard she left the courtroom and I haven't heard if she ever came back. Then the defense rests? Maybe I am looking into it too much.

 

[justtrish]

Wasn't KA supposed to testify for the defense?

Again, just more dramatics from the defense. When the state wanted to introduce the google searches they said something to Kathy about we will need you to testify like we talked about. They said she would testify that she used that account also. IMO

 

[INfisherman]

I'm not sure about Indiana courts---but usually the prosecution gets a very short rebuttal after the defense rests---they can only present evidence in response to something the defense set forth. They can recall an expert, for example to clarify something the D expert may have said.

I could be wrong but the state did recall the 2 cellphone witnesses, Cecil & Bunner yesterday. Point being, the rebuttal may take place immediately after the D’s witness. Not a lawyer & not using that other acronym.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

@BobSegallWTHR

The prosecutor, judge and jury were all visibly surprised by the sudden announcement that the defense rests. #wthr


10:13 AM · Nov 6, 2024

 

[arielilane]

Defense has rested, we’re now waiting on some prosecution witnesses for rebuttal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854179018305638726

 

[photographer4]

You can tell if a body has been moved hours after death. It would have been noted at the time.

I don’t think it was moved. I just wonder when it arrived there. So many mistakes in this case that could maybe cost the state the case or could send a guy wrongfully to prison.