VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[Trebor5591]

Does anyone think the jury will hang? Or will a verdict be reached?

 

[Inthedetails]

I can't imagine them wanting to keep any of the families waiting another night if they didn't have to. moooo.

I can imagine wanting to sleep on a major decision like this one.

jmo

 

[photographer4]

I wonder how RA and his family are holding up? This can't be easy for them at all!

Thoughts to the families of LG and AW as well. Not easy for anyone. No matter which verdict comes back, there is going to be heartbreak for someone, if not all of them (all of them in the event of a hung jury). Moo.

 

[Inthedetails]

Does anyone think the jury will hang? Or will a verdict be reached?

I think a verdict will be reached.

jmo

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I wonder how long Judge Gull will force them to keep deliberating if they can't settle on guilty or not guilty. Too bad there isn't a choice of "unproven" since it's the state's responsibility to prove. I guess that is the same as a hung jury but still "hung jury" has such a negative connotation.

Have they said they are deadlocked? Thanks.

 

[Melted]

@m00c0w's post refers



For those who follow Bob Motta, has he explained why he spent months promoting the claim the phone was turned on at 4.30am only for the defence to spring headphone theory?

Did Baldwin deceive him? Has he made any attempt to reconcile the totally inconsistent things he has been claiming?

I agree with @m00c0w. If this is regarded as OK, why can't Baldwin just have his own youtube channel during the trial and do lives? What would be the difference?

I am genuinely interested in what other posters make of this if it is going to become "a thing" for big trials.

MOO

The most likely scenario is Baldwin, being a respected lawyer didn’t share any case work with Bob Motta (another respect lawyer) and Bob Motta was strictly going off of what was testified to in the 3 day hearings?

Also wasn’t it testified to that there is no way to tell if the phone was turned off and on or not because the first extraction wasn’t deep enough?

JMO

 

[minor4th]

I have seen character testimony in other trials in defence CIC, IMO I couldn't recall cases as I have watched hundreds of trials, it is always fascinating to me how different laws, rules and regulations are in different states,
It is really interesting to see how some states have very open justice such as Florida and how much evidence has been released pertaining to Madeline Soto murder, versus this case with very little revealed,
I am a hypocrite as I am in England and we have a very closed judicial system, no cameras in criminal/civil trials, unless you sit and watch a trial not a lot of information is released, very high profile cases such as Lucy Letby are now being blogged, but most cases don't release too much information, and I think this is how it should be, thus my hypocrisy as i watch US trials all the time, and am a big true crime voyeur

The defense could have potentially offered evidence of a positive character trait of the defendant, but then the state could offer evidence to rebut it. Best not to open the door.

 

[cherrybier]

Does anyone think the jury will hang? Or will a verdict be reached?

A hung jury was always the most likely outcome for me.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Based on the jury questions I believe the most likely scenario is that there are 10-11 jurors that know the prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and there are 1 or 2 that are stuck on the false confessions Richard gave and will need to be convinced by the others that those were tortured out of him or there will be a hung jury.

JMO

I'm not convinced that only one or two can't convict...I'm thinking it might be more...maybe we'll find out someday.

 

[lisette]

I can't imagine them wanting to keep any of the families waiting another night if they didn't have to. moooo.

That’s true, but I have seen it happen in other cases… Where they waited until the next day to announce, but it was just a thought… Since they are not coming in until 10 o’clock.

 

[Melted]

Maybe they have reached a verdict, but want to sleep on it and wait till tomorrow to announce it… So decided not to come in until 10:00. (Not needing the full-time to deliberate.)

I highly doubt they would deliberate for 9 hours and then reach a verdict and then choose to sleep on it, the last thing you would want to do when you finally get everyone to agree on a verdict is to break up for 18 hours, jmo

 

[minor4th]

There is sincerely no predicting what a jury will do! It is a crapshoot at this point.

 

[mrjitty]

Just my guess - but maybe the headphone thing was a last minute decision for the defense?

ETA. I don’t follow Bob Motta.

The defence always knew Libby's phone received Grandma's text and wasn't turned off. It was only us who didn't know that.

Yet the D and Motta's theory always required the phone to be turned off before it went in the car, otherwise you'd have to believe that the odinists decided to risk letting the phone track them to their lair, and then steps would have been logged trying to walk the phone back to the crime scene. I mean that's just self evident. The cell Tower delivered grandma's text so at the very least the azimuth of the secret lair would be on the tower.

That was the whole supposed point of Auger's BOOM moment at the 3 day hearing crossing Cecil - Cecil admitted the phone received the messages at 4.30am and she had her supposed proof the phone had been turned off until that moment.

I am quite stunned by this - I agree they seem to have come up with this late in the game, but how can you reconcile it?

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

I highly doubt they would deliberate for 9 hours and then reach a verdict and then choose to sleep on it, the last thing you would want to do when you finally get everyone to agree on a verdict is to break up for 18 hours, jmo

I've seen in other cases (more than once), but that doesn't mean every jury wants to sleep on it, of course. I think it's wise, tbh.

jmo

 

[Melted]

The longest length of any jury deliberations took four and a half months.

Let’s hope it doesn’t get to that.

…joking, kind of.

Longest jury deliberation

guinnessworldrecords.com

 

[Melted]

The defence always knew Libby's phone received Grandma's text and wasn't turned off. It was only us who didn't know that.

Yet the D and Motta's theory always required the phone to be turned off before it went in the car, otherwise you'd have to believe that the odinists decided to risk letting the phone track them to their lair, and then steps would have been logged trying to walk the phone back to the crime scene. I mean that's just self evident. The cell Tower delivered grandma's text so at the very least the azimuth of the secret lair would be on the tower.

That was the whole supposed point of Auger's BOOM moment at the 3 day hearing crossing Cecil - Cecil admitted the phone received the messages at 4.30am and she had her supposed proof the phone had been turned off until that moment.

I am quite stunned by this - I agree they seem to have come up with this late in the game, but how can you reconcile it?

MOO

I have never read in any motions where the defense mentioned a secret odinist lair. Could you please provide a source for that?

I really appreciate it.

JMO

 

[getthefax]

Have they said they are deadlocked? Thanks.

No.

 

[Salah11]

I will be amazed if it’s not a guilty verdict.

The Defense did a very poor showing. They didn’t get him off the bridge or give him an alibi elsewhere. Just seemed to imply he was crazy when he confessed so he can’t be guilty which is ridiculous.

IMO

 

[Melted]

I'm not convinced that only one or two can't convict...I'm thinking it might be more...maybe we'll find out someday.

Hey yeah I was saying I believe, based on jury questions, that there are 1 or 2 stuck on wanting to convict and 10 or 11 that want to reach a not guilty verdict.

It is pretty clear based on the totality of circumstances that regardless of Richard Allen’s innocence or guilt that the state did not prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

 

[detectivewannab]

I have never read in any motions where the defense mentioned a secret odinist lair. Could you please provide a source for that?

I really appreciate it.

JMO

100% Guilty This is a smart jury and they know defense was pulling tricks out of their hat.