VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[dkaras]

Some have said that if a not guilty verdict is delivered, that RA cannot be tried again on the same charges. Is this true even if new evidence is found? For example, what if some of the DNA that was recovered but not able to be tested at this time due to not having the technology "yet", later is tested and is found to be RA's DNA? What if RA's 2017 phone data is somehow recovered or discovered?

I have so many questions...about process and procedure, and technology! And I work in this field (tech)! I feel like I should know more about this.

If RA is found not guilty, will LE "start at the beginning" and see if they can find another suspect? The crime occurred in 2017. It was a while ago but not "that far" back. RA's 2017 phone was apparently not recovered, but why couldn't LE (or D team for that matter) have went to his cell service ("Ting"?) to get records from that time? My locations and certainly some data from my phone activity is being logged on an ongoing basis linked to my phone number, not just on my phone but saved to some server farm somewhere. I have no idea how long this data is kept, but I am very curious to know.

What else could help LE pinpoint a suspect if a new investigation began?

Re: the lost interviews that were "recorded over". I learned early on in my tech career that it's very difficult to erase disks and media, that there are layers that all must be overwritten. I'm curious to know how these interviews were recorded, on what medium. I don't think I ever dug into that. Anyone know offhand? If they were recorded over, perhaps they can be retrieved. (although I'd have to wonder why it wasn't tried already!)

After a verdict is delivered, assuming not a hung jury, will the public/media have access to the evidence? Exhibits? When does the gag order expire? Will we ever know what happened in closed hearings?

Thanks for any answers!

 

[Arkay]

Thank you. I didn't know how to word a proper reply and you took care of it.

Anyone cannot just call themselves a journalist and be considered a journalist.

jmo

Thank you!

I’ll add a brief personal addendum.

I graduated from high school when I was 16, in 1974.

All I wanted to be was a newspaper reporter. The whole press room world was mesmerizing to me, and being a newspaper reporter played to my strengths.

I didn’t apply for two reasons:

1. You have to start choosing colleges in your junior year. I was 15, still craved a career at a newspaper, but wasn’t as sure as I was in my senior year.
2. Nixon resigned on August 9th, 1974. Prior to that,Woodward and Bernstein published All the President’s Men in June, 1974.

That created an overabundance of candidates trying to get into journalism schools.

Of course this all predates the Internet and cable TV, and I only wanted the world of a newspaper reporter.

It is a PROFESSION.

JMO and experience.

ETA: @getthefax I meant to thank you—-you are always so compassionate about family issues.

 

[shonyakay]

they have, will be back at 10am tomorrow instead of 9. No clue why.

Maybe they have reached a verdict and will deliver it first thing in the morning?

 

[cherrybier]

Some have said that if a not guilty verdict is delivered, that RA cannot be tried again on the same charges. Is this true even if new evidence is found? For example, what if some of the DNA that was recovered but not able to be tested at this time due to not having the technology "yet", later is tested and is found to be RA's DNA? What if RA's 2017 phone data is somehow recovered or discovered?

I have so many questions...about process and procedure, and technology! And I work in this field (tech)! I feel like I should know more about this.

If RA is found not guilty, will LE "start at the beginning" and see if they can find another suspect? The crime occurred in 2017. It was a while ago but not "that far" back. RA's 2017 phone was apparently not recovered, but why couldn't LE (or D team for that matter) have went to his cell service ("Ting"?) to get records from that time? My locations and certainly some data from my phone activity is being logged on an ongoing basis linked to my phone number, not just on my phone but saved to some server farm somewhere. I have no idea how long this data is kept, but I am very curious to know.

What else could help LE pinpoint a suspect if a new investigation began?

Re: the lost interviews that were "recorded over". I learned early on in my tech career that it's very difficult to erase disks and media, that there are layers that all must be overwritten. I'm curious to know how these interviews were recorded, on what medium. I don't think I ever dug into that. Anyone know offhand? If they were recorded over, perhaps they can be retrieved. (although I'd have to wonder why it wasn't tried already!)

After a verdict is delivered, assuming not a hung jury, will the public/media have access to the evidence? Exhibits? When does the gag order expire? Will we ever know what happened in closed hearings?

Thanks for any answers!

If acquitted he cannot be tried again.

It's over.

State can go after other perp/s.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Q: if no verdict tomorrow by noon, will they go back to hotel til MOnday then or will they keep going to 4pm?

It could be Tuesday as Monday is a holiday. IMO, a hung jury maybe tomorrow?? jmo.

 

[cherrybier]

It could be Tuesday as Monday is a holiday. IMO, a hung jury maybe tomorrow?? jmo.

They're not getting the holiday off I'm pretty sure.

 

[Salah11]

It could be Tuesday as Monday is a holiday. IMO, a hung jury maybe tomorrow?? jmo.

Why would it be a hung jury?

 

[photographer4]

@m00c0w's post refers



For those who follow Bob Motta, has he explained why he spent months promoting the claim the phone was turned on at 4.30am only for the defence to spring headphone theory?

Did Baldwin deceive him? Has he made any attempt to reconcile the totally inconsistent things he has been claiming?

I agree with @m00c0w. If this is regarded as OK, why can't Baldwin just have his own youtube channel during the trial and do lives? What would be the difference?

I am genuinely interested in what other posters make of this if it is going to become "a thing" for big trials.

MOO

Likely Motta didn't know the actual details imo.

 

[Inthedetails]

They're not getting the holiday off I'm pretty sure.

Veterans Day is an official State Holiday in Indiana and the courts are closed. Would they keep this court open with personnel for this case? IDK.

State Holidays

www.in.gov

 

[m00c0w]

Hey yeah I was saying I believe, based on jury questions, that there are 1 or 2 stuck on wanting to convict and 10 or 11 that want to reach a not guilty verdict.

It is pretty clear based on the totality of circumstances that regardless of Richard Allen’s innocence or guilt that the state did not prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

In your opinion

 

[Medic4881]

Crime scene photos have been leaked again. They are everywhere. SMH

 

[MassGuy]

Some have said that if a not guilty verdict is delivered, that RA cannot be tried again on the same charges. Is this true even if new evidence is found? For example, what if some of the DNA that was recovered but not able to be tested at this time due to not having the technology "yet", later is tested and is found to be RA's DNA? What if RA's 2017 phone data is somehow recovered or discovered?

I have so many questions...about process and procedure, and technology! And I work in this field (tech)! I feel like I should know more about this.

If RA is found not guilty, will LE "start at the beginning" and see if they can find another suspect? The crime occurred in 2017. It was a while ago but not "that far" back. RA's 2017 phone was apparently not recovered, but why couldn't LE (or D team for that matter) have went to his cell service ("Ting"?) to get records from that time? My locations and certainly some data from my phone activity is being logged on an ongoing basis linked to my phone number, not just on my phone but saved to some server farm somewhere. I have no idea how long this data is kept, but I am very curious to know.

What else could help LE pinpoint a suspect if a new investigation began?

Re: the lost interviews that were "recorded over". I learned early on in my tech career that it's very difficult to erase disks and media, that there are layers that all must be overwritten. I'm curious to know how these interviews were recorded, on what medium. I don't think I ever dug into that. Anyone know offhand? If they were recorded over, perhaps they can be retrieved. (although I'd have to wonder why it wasn't tried already!)

After a verdict is delivered, assuming not a hung jury, will the public/media have access to the evidence? Exhibits? When does the gag order expire? Will we ever know what happened in closed hearings?

Thanks for any answers!

They could literally have him on video committing the murders and they still wouldn't be able to retry him. I cited a case earlier today where a guy was found not guilty, and a carpet layer found photos he took while torturing and murdering the victim. They could only get him on perjury at that point, as he had lied to a grand jury. We don't have that here.

If Allen is found not guilty, I firmly believe this case is over forever. Law enforcement knows he's the guy, and the DA's office does at well. We know there's no DNA evidence, so the case against Allen is the best you're going to have against anyone.

I would have loved to have learned more about the investigation into cell phone records, as surely there's got to be something that at least shows when he got rid of that phone, if they don't have location information or anything. I just find that aspect super frustrating.

As for those interviews, I guess they have the video but not the audio of them. Regardless of that, it wasn't all that long ago that interviews were not recorded; this is a relatively new protocol. It's really not that big a deal. Some of those were suspects who were ultimately ruled out, and we know law enforcement was desperate to find the killer. This is something the defense would always make a big deal about (to show a sloppy investigation and point the finger elsewhere), even if they know there's nothing to it. Just a standard move on their part, yet some people fail to recognize this I guess.

If this case results in a verdict, the media should have access to all the evidence that isn't protected (due to the age of the girls).

 

[shonyakay]

Based on the jury questions I believe the most likely scenario is that there are 10-11 jurors that know the prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and there are 1 or 2 that are stuck on the false confessions Richard gave and will need to be convinced by the others that those were tortured out of him or there will be a hung jury.

JMO

Really? Even Lawyer Lee said the juror's questions to Warren were good for the prosecution.

Like the one that asked Warren (the gist) Did you know that Oberg's supervisor agrees with her findings?

And another who asked (the gist) Did you know that Allen's gun had a recessed area that matched the unspent bullet at the crime scene?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

A hung jury was always the most likely outcome for me.

I wish we had a Poll for what we all think the verdict "might" be. @Tricia

 

[tlcya]

Veterans Day is an official State Holiday in Indiana and the courts are closed. Would they keep this court open with personnel for this case? IDK.

State Holidays

www.in.gov

no, I don't believe the jury will deliberate on Monday. That would involve making court staff work that have a paid holiday that day. I don't see that happening. JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Crime scene photos have been leaked again. They are everywhere. SMH

What? No way!!

 

[tlcya]

I wish we had a Poll for what we all think the verdict "might" be. @Tricia

pretty sure someone created one earlier today

 

[Melted]

100% Guilty This is a smart jury and they know defense was pulling tricks out of their hat.

On the contrary I believe that the defense showed the jury that the states entire case against Richard Allen is nothing but tricks.

JMO

ETA: do you have a source for the secret odinist lair that you’re claiming the defense has brought up?

 

[Inthedetails]

Crime scene photos have been leaked again. They are everywhere. SMH

They are nowhere if you don't go looking for them. Just saying.

jmo

 

[getthefax]

ETA: @getthefax I meant to thank you—-you are always so compassionate about family issues.

RSBBM
You’re absolutely welcome