VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

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If acquitted he cannot be tried again.

It's over.

State can go after other perp/s.
I can say with a great deal of confidence that they will not ever file charges against another person when there is far less evidence against them than what they have here.

How is this not enough, but there is enough against someone who law enforcement has already cleared?
 
What the Jury May Already Have Discussed, Pre-Deliberations
They were allowed to discuss the evidence, not necessarily testimonies, if all jurors were present during recesses.
@Snoop Sister
Jumping ahead & skipping hours of posts to answer, sorry if already covered.

Seems ^ post says that pre-deliberation, the jurors can only discuss EXHIBITS i.e., physical objects such as photographs, LE reports, audio or vid recordings, etc. which have been admitted as evidence.

I read the rule's ref. to EVIDENCE below as including witnesses' TESTIMONY, not just exhibits.

WISH-TV posted pdf of the judge's Preliminary Instructions, showing on page 9 a couple ¶'s re the jury as the exclusive judges of the evidence, how to assess credibility of witnesses and weight to give the witnesses' testimony.

Welcoming clarification or correction.

Of course, being permitted to discuss issues during RECESSES does not mean that the jury did that. Also does not mean that they could collectively agree as to the credibility of a witness, all parts of a witness' testimony, or the significance of an exhibit (which they would not yet have in hand, pre-delib).

But jurors may have worked thru some of ^ which may help them reach a verdict sooner.

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* Judge's PRELIMINARY Jury Instructions
Briefly, my summary:
During trial, jurors are not to discuss the case, EXCEPT that jurors may discuss evidence during RECESSES when ALL jurors are in PRESENT in the JURY ROOM and reserve judgment about the outcome of the case until deliberations begin.
[ETA: @Diddian Agreeing w your post on the issue]
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* Exact text, part of Rule 20. IN. Jury Rules
"(8) that jurors, including alternates, are permitted to discuss the evidence among themselves in the jury room during recesses from trial when all are present, as long as they reserve judgment about the outcome of the case until deliberations commence. The court shall admonish jurors not to discuss the case with anyone other than fellow jurors during the trial."
 
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I have never read in any motions where the defense mentioned a secret odinist lair. Could you please provide a source for that?

I really appreciate it.

JMO

call it the second location if you prefer. the Ds argument is the girls were taken somewhere in a car. but if the phone was on then the tower would have had the azimuth of libby’s phone when Grandmas text was delivered.

MOO

ETA - ughhh, my post got mangled on my phone sorry
 
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I can say with a great deal of confidence that they will not ever file charges against another person when there is far less evidence against them than what they have here.

How is this not enough, but there is enough against someone who law enforcement has already cleared?
We have 0 idea what evidence they have against other people, hopefully if Richard is acquitted they can bring the FBI back in and start with a fresh look at the case.

I believe, like the investigative team did until 2022, that there was more than one person involved. People talk and when they do the fbi will be there to listen.

JMO
 
It's bedtime in the UK (well for us poor nuggets(autocorrect but that'll do) that have kiddies football matches tomorrow). I'm 99% they'll reach the right verdict. Day by day going over the evidence with the contradictions, slam dunk. Tomorrow folks
 
We have 0 idea what evidence they have against other people, hopefully if Richard is acquitted they can bring the FBI back in and start with a fresh look at the case.

I believe, like the investigative team did until 2022, that there was more than one person involved. People talk and when they do the fbi will be there to listen.

JMO
Well we know they didn't put themselves there during the precise time of the murders, dressed like BG for one. As far as I can tell the leading alternate theory is some sort of Orthodontist cult.

How one looks at that crime scene and says that two offenders did that is beyond me. All evidence shows an intoxicated, mentally ill man attacked two girls intent on raping them. Then he slit their throats with a boxcutter that he stole from CVS.
 
Well we know they didn't put themselves there during the precise time of the murders, dressed like BG for one. As far as I can tell the leading alternate theory is some sort of Orthodontist cult.

How one looks at that crime scene and says that two offenders did that is beyond me. All evidence shows an intoxicated, mentally ill man attacked two girls intent on raping them. Then he slit their throats with a boxcutter that he stole from CVS.
All due respect but have you seen the crime scene?
 
All due respect but have you seen the crime scene?
I’ve read about it and seen those photos of their bodies. Nothing about that screams “ritualistic.” This is like the Satanic Panic BS of decades ago. Just people out of touch with reality who don’t know how real life works.

Embarrassing.
 
I will be amazed if it’s not a guilty verdict.

The Defense did a very poor showing. They didn’t get him off the bridge or give him an alibi elsewhere. Just seemed to imply he was crazy when he confessed so he can’t be guilty which is ridiculous.

IMO
Not the defense's job to prove a defendant innocent as defendants are already presumed innocent by virtue of our judicial laws. It's a defense's job to best defend their client by ensuring that the facts presented are accurate, that the defendant is tried by the laws of trial and to present any contradictory evidence through expert witnesses, cross examination etc. but it is not their job to prove that the defendant is innocent.
 
Well we know they didn't put themselves there during the precise time of the murders, dressed like BG for one. As far as I can tell the leading alternate theory is some sort of Orthodontist cult.

How one looks at that crime scene and says that two offenders did that is beyond me. All evidence shows an intoxicated, mentally ill man attacked two girls intent on raping them. Then he slit their throats with a boxcutter that he stole from CVS.

Orthodontist? Lol..
 
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