VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #214

[Tricia]

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[arielilane]

Not sure I would agree with framing with the trigs, branches of the victims. My understanding is the girls were hidden well.

A deputy did miss seeing Abby & Libby during an initial search.

jmo

 

[Salah11]

So for people who have jury watched before is it at all strange they are putting in so few hours at this juncture considering they have been away from their families for 3 weeks?

I would have personally been eager to get home and would be doing 8am-8pm if needed. I am just trying to understand the logic here. I am genuinely surprised that they went home so early today and wondering how normal this is?

IMO

 

[TTF14]

A deputy did miss seeing Abby & Libby during an initial search.

jmo

rsbm

This lends credence to the theory that the girls weren't there.

jmo

 

[00stevenm]

Jury dismissed for the day, anyone else coming around to the fact that we are looking at a hung jury?

 

[FromGermany1]

And I find the he was disturbed from his initial attempts where he wanted to SA them and decides he has to kill them, so he takes them down and embankment, across the creek, up another embankment, makes them strip, redressed one of the girls, puts other clothing in creek, gets sticks and very long cumbersome branches to place carefully by each girl, sets off for home knowing he has to walk on road to get to car, oh and if the jury are to accept the muddy bloody witness he waited over time an hour after killing them if the states theory is to be believed,
If disturbed he either kills them near to where they were or he runs away, he doesn't do all those other things because he could be disturbed and seen again
And I really don't accept the idea that he intended to rape the girls in the area they were at bottom of hill, it was broad daylight anybody could have walked down the hill and seen them
This was a deliberate choice to leave them how they were left, posed as they were, sticks placed not to conceal but holding some meaning to killer,
The defence were hampered by the judge in being able to focus on the weirdness of crime scene, I just hope jury are able to see just how strange the scene is and realise that the way it is has meaning to the killer/s

I can imagine him curling up at the crime scene in a fetal position (like he had done in more harmless situations also), digging in the dirt and crying about, what he had done to the girls, especially to Abby. That would also explain the mud on his clothes. The girls weren't muddy, afaik, so why should he have been muddy. Would explain also the long time, he spent at the crime scene. MOO
My sympathy for a crying coward is limited.

 

[SandyQLS]

Another signature would be the way he killed them, fairly precise slash marks across their throats.

Out of all the cases I’ve followed, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like that when a sharp weapon was used.

That’s why a box cutter is perfect to me, as I’d expect stab wounds with a knife.

Would it only be possible to slash one throat at a time for one perp RA? I thought the cuts were somewhat different, ie, multiple slashes on LG severing a carotid artery versus a singular jugular wound on AW? Why didn't the 2nd victim run or fight? I am having trouble visualizing how this went down.

 

[justme11]

Feeling you on that! Baseboards are next

I did those last week because we just painted our main floor. However we do have another floor with tons of baseboards!

P.S. I highly recommend painting and listening to YT lives.

 

[MassGuy]

Would it only be possible to slash one throat at a time for one perp RA? I thought the cuts were somewhat different, ie, multiple slashes on LG severing a carotid artery versus a singular jugular wound on AW? Why didn't the 2nd victim run or fight? I am having trouble visualizing how this went down.

Libby was initially some distance away from Abby. It appears she did run at some point, but didn’t make it far. I think she was slashed at around the same time as Abby, and then he caught up to her and inflicted further wounds (which is why she had more of them).

 

[Davemac1]

Why are people still talking about the stick arrangement? They bear no relation to anything and the defense attempt at trying to explain they were was thrown out and rightly so
Even if they were, which I 100% think they were not How can we be sure that that Allen didn't have a penchant for arranging sticks in some ritualistic way? It appears he took away underwear as a trophy, but nobody is talking about that.
Don't remember at the trial him being asked if he had paganistic tendencies?
This is a diversion tactic and should not even be discussed by a jury. And I hope that is the case.

 

[INfisherman]

But you can’t conclude that it’s RA just because eyewitness testimony is unreliable. The state has the high burden of proof, and this is definitely a bad fact for the state.

Did I draw any conclusions in that conversation?

Respectfully, if you’d have read the exchange from the beginning, the OP was stating he didn’t understand why people couldn’t see that RA was BG from the still frame. I was simply explaining that not everyone sees things the same & used the eyewitness testimony as an example of such. That’s it.

Where’s an attorney? I’m suing!

 

[Mamamerced]

What are the odds that Libby and Abby have a connection to the KK catfishing...and RA? Does anyone else find it unusual? How did those 2 predators both find and connect with L and A? Admittedly I have not been glued to this case or the trial so I miss a lot.

 

[Davemac1]

Can someone explain why the phone tower pings were not included in the case?
I know the wild out there will explain it was because a gang of paganists with police connections were slicing up little girls at the back of the woods.
But what was the real reason?

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Jury dismissed for the day, anyone else coming around to the fact that we are looking at a hung jury?

I’m hopeful that it’s just one or two who are at odds and maybe they can come to agreement- because if it’s like 50/50 then that’s a bigger problem- moo

 

[TexLil]

Richard Allen just left the Carroll County courthouse. With just a short time remaining on the third day of deliberations, it suggests we are unlikely to get a verdict today in the #Delphi murders trial . #wthr

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855325685029486747

 

[Tortoise]

So for people who have jury watched before is it at all strange they are putting in so few hours at this juncture considering they have been away from their families for 3 weeks?

I would have personally been eager to get home and would be doing 8am-8pm if needed. I am just trying to understand the logic here. I am genuinely surprised that they went home so early today and wondering how normal this is?

IMO

Yeah, maybe it's stressful in there. IDK.

 

[Megnut]

Jury dismissed for the day, anyone else coming around to the fact that we are looking at a hung jury?

No.

If they were hung, the judge would have been notified and I think that would have been reported. We'd hear something like the judge told them to continue deliberating.

I think they are at the paperwork stage. Watching these videos was to confirm or refute consensus IMO.

(I learned this while watching another trial -- assuming it would hold true here, too -- if the jury wants to review a video, they have to review it in its entirety. Even if there's only one little clip they want to see again.)

My prediction: Monday, they will reconvene, review, fill out the paperwork, stay for lunch and render a verdict.

IMO they'll find him guilty on all charges.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

So for people who have jury watched before is it at all strange they are putting in so few hours at this juncture considering they have been away from their families for 3 weeks?

I would have personally been eager to get home and would be doing 8am-8pm if needed. I am just trying to understand the logic here. I am genuinely surprised that they went home so early today and wondering how normal this is?

IMO

Honestly I think that there are going to be major differences in opinion and if things are deadlock to the point that a juror(s) is being inflexible- I’d personally want to cut it short too- 12 hrs of “did not/did too!”

Bickering would make things stressful and more difficult to eventually come to an agreement- I think juries tend to be willing to put in longer hours if they are making progress-

Another consideration is the nature and severity of what they’ve heard these last 3 weeks and might not be able to mentally/emotionally deal with the deliberations for hours on end

I don’t know- moo

 

[INfisherman]

What are the odds that Libby and Abby have a connection to the KK catfishing...and RA? Does anyone else find it unusual? How did those 2 predators both find and connect with L and A? Admittedly I have not been glued to this case or the trial so I miss a lot.

There may have been something there, however KK deleted data from his devices prior to his interview with Vido at Grissom AFB, which was, if IIRC, in 2020 & prior to RA’s arrest. Also, IIRC, Vido stated said data was just before and after the murders. With that being said & barring someone else opening their mouth, that link is most likely gone for good.

I am of the opinion something was there between RA & KK or KKs dad but unfortunately there’s no way to prove it.

MOO

 

[justtrish]

So for people who have jury watched before is it at all strange they are putting in so few hours at this juncture considering they have been away from their families for 3 weeks?

I would have personally been eager to get home and would be doing 8am-8pm if needed. I am just trying to understand the logic here. I am genuinely surprised that they went home so early today and wondering how normal this is?

IMO

I was thinking the time they can deliberate was flexible, but now I am wondering if it's fixed and that is what it is. I do wonder if transporting Richard Allen is a consideration. If they deliberate until say 7 or 8pm and then have to transport him later back to the jail would that be more of a security risk? They have been leaving exactly on schedule and I would think even once in the last 3 days if it was allowed to stay later, they would have. It could be a staffing thing since they are sequestered and needing the staff to move them back and forth to the hotel and the staff to transport RA and secure the courthouse. This case is a big different than others with the level of attention it has. I wonder if there is a simple explanation such as this.