GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

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The more time that passes the more I’m thinking a hung jury. There is no way it will be Not guilty as its quite clearly him so there is only two options.

imo
I think they want to be thorough with whatever decision they make, because they don’t want to sentence an innocent man to life without parole, nor do they want to let a killer free. It’s not a light decision and I don’t envy their positions here.

JMO
 
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I mean no disrespect to the Jury at ALL. I wonder if they are gathering information and want to be prepared as possible to speak to the media. I imagine they will be hounded relentlessly, maybe they are also making media plans with each other, I again am not saying they are trying to profit or anything, just maybe making plans to all go to a remote cabin, or deciding what they will or will not be speaking about.
Question, if the jury finds RA not guilty, how do you think the public will react?
 
  • #524
Question, if the jury finds RA not guilty, how do you think the public will react?
I think (and expect) the public will accept the decision and move on.

jmo
 
  • #525
Will someone message me if a verdict comes in? Too busy at work to check in often. Thanks!
 
  • #526
I hope so. I remember when it first happened and we all were saying let today be the day and hoping LE was just playing 3-dimensional chess to secure a conviction. And here we are. /s
:::: Praying for each jury member:::::
 
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  • #527
While living in a hotel room away from their families. I really don't get it when people imply the jury doesn't put in enough time.

jmo
I understand. I have never walked their shoes so I wouldn't total understand all they are going thru.

Do I fear a split? Not necessarily. In my own opinion the days they have deliberated so far, they have started late and finished early so it doesn't seem to indicate a split. Because, really, you would think they would keep the debate going if they were very divided?

I think they already know but want to just go through things to make doubly sure since it's a man's future in the balance but that's just my thoughts.
 
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I understand. I have never walked their shoes so I wouldn't total understand all they are going thru.

Do I fear a split? Not necessarily. In my own opinion the days they have deliberated so far, they have started late and finished early so it doesn't seem to indicate a split. Because, really, you would think they would keep the debate going if they were very divided?

I think they already know but want to just go through things to make doubly sure since it's a man's future in the balance but that's just my thoughts.
I sure hope so
 
  • #529
Clarification requested by any verified attorney’s online?
@minor4th @AugustWest

Can the judge ask the foreman of the jury what the count is? There was a discussion between two Webseluths Posters earlier in this thread ‘that it is permissible for the judge to ask the jury foreman in so many words ‘what the count is.’ I am skeptical.Correct this post if the following is wrong (I have no legal background).

Under Lewis v State we can basically expect (unless there’s some reason extrinsic to the deliberations themselves we are not aware of) the court to re read the jury instructions it gave without any comment on the conduct of the trial or evidence

Thanks for reading. And providing clarification.

My Opinion only
 
  • #530
The silence of this trial has been deafening, even more so during deliberations…. I have never seen anything like this before. There is no way to know how this jury “may be” leaning not knowing what notes, questions, etc. have been submitted. They may just want to review all the evidence again before handing in their verdict… there may be other things going on.
 
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I watched a trial about a week or so ago (Melody Farris) where the Judge read the Allen charge (go back and deliberate). It worked. It wasn't long (an hour or so, IIRC) and the jury was back with a guilty verdict on all counts.

jmo

ETA: Link to WS thread about the case/trial

Same in Robert Telles trial and the Ashley Benefield trial, several weeks ago. Both came back guilty after being sent back to carry on with their deliberations.
 
  • #532
<modsnip - quoted post was removed for bashing the judge. Following refers to sending jurors back in to deliberate more when they are hung>


It is a common practice…to try to get the jurors to agree before declaring a mistrial.
Thank you, guess it makes sense.
 
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Same in Robert Telles trial and the Ashley Benefield trial, several weeks ago. Both came back guilty after being sent back to carry on with their deliberations.
Hmmm, maybe Judge Gull is on to something.
 
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Because the world is crazy and full of unkind people who track others down to their homes for clicks. That would be reason enough, imo.

This case is widely known but the jurors don't know the craziness of this case. Or I should say, shouldn't know. Although those big tarps blocking them from view probably gave them a WTH? moment. Lol.
 
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I am assuming it doesn’t count in this case but does the U.S Ever do a majority verdict?

When I did Jury Service as it was 11-1 for Guilty the judge made the decision that a majority verdict would be acceptable in our case. I am wondering how it works in the U.S.
 
  • #537
Timestamp 39.45 in Lauren's video for a sketch of a photo shown in court, and explanation of Livor Mortis on Abby's body (for anyone interested)

This video is painful.

A lot of information from the ME that I had not heard before.

Abby had dirt and debris on her back, under her clothes. I don't like my conclusion. :(

More information from the ME about the marks on her chin, possible restraint.

Libby had superficial wounds on her neck. (Threats maybe?) Each cut (gaping wound) had multiple passes. He describes the wounds like perhaps a blade handle going in too far. She was covered in blood, her hands covered in blood. 5 to 10 minutes for each to die.

Absolute mad man.

JMO
 
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<modsnip - quoted post was removed (rumor)> I will wait to see what the actual trial transcripts state when Liggett read Tip #74 to RA on October 13, 2022.
 
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This video is painful.

A lot of information from the ME that I had not heard before.

Abby had dirt and debris on her back, under her clothes. I don't like my conclusion. :(

More information from the ME about the marks on her chin, possible restraint.

Libby had superficial wounds on her neck. (Threats maybe?) Each cut (gaping wound) had multiple passes. He describes the wounds like perhaps a blade handle going in too far. She was covered in blood, her hands covered in blood. 5 to 10 minutes for each to die.

Absolute mad man.

JMO
Thank you for this.
:0(
 
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