GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[iamshadow21]

So far, almost 30 percent of the WS members who voted in the Delphi Poll think it will be a hung jury, which is quite high in my opinion.
64% think the jury will come back with a guilty verdict.
You can vote in the poll once a day.

It might be skewed by people like me.

I voted during the trial what I thought of RA as the perpetrator, but I haven't voted in the verdict poll, because I don't have any idea of what the jury is thinking or how they're going to vote. I know they asked clever questions, but that's it. They're a black box of mystery that I can't predict, so I haven't.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

Thanks! Can they refuse to agree to hear it?

Yes. There has to be an issue of law for an appeal.

 

[katydid23]

So they can’t bring them to the hotel to review them in the evenings??? Geez no wonder it’s taking so long to reach a verdict! Moo.

I think they still have plenty to talk about, even without their notes.

 

[Boxer]

Richard Allen said he kept his gun in a holster. But whoever it is in the bridge guy video from Liberty German's phone video, it looks like the outline of their gun is not in a holster.

Even though there is the van detail testimony and the phone call confessions Richard Allen made to his mother that makes it appear he is probably the killer, this is another question I wonder about. Does the outline of the gun from Liberty German's phone video of bridge guy look like it is in a holster?

Its only his word that he always uses a holster.

 

[photographer4]

Yes. There has to be an issue of law for an appeal.

Edited because hit post too soon. Was going to edit and then the damn thing posted. Ugh.

 

[Boxer]

Perhaps they’ll take it higher still

They can, and undoubtably will.

 

[photographer4]

It’s only his word that he always uses a holster.

That we know of. We don’t know if they asked KA or perhaps his daughter. moo

 

[Boxer]

That we know of. We don’t know if they asked KA or perhaps his daughter. moo

Stuffing a gun in a pocket is fairly common. If gun is around its around.
Kind of like do you always put a shovel back in its rack or sometimes just lean it on the wall.

 

[katydid23]

Sorry, I’m confused as to why this podcast / these episodes matter at all? Has someone been charged with hate crime or conspiracy crimes or something? If not, what is the significance pls?

Motta and Weinke were involved in propagating these theories---both of them are in the Defense inner circle.

 

[MassGuy]

That we know of. We don’t know if they asked KA or perhaps his daughter. moo

And if they said he did, it wouldn’t make any difference.

On those days he wasn’t out committing a double murder.

 

[Warwick7]

I would say that EVERY convicted killer, even those who have finally confessed their guilt, started out by saying they are innocent.

Exactly!!!

 

[cherrybier]

Motta and Weinke were involved in propagating these theories---both of them are in the Defense inner circle.

I could say the same about MS but I don't think they're in any circle, which greatly annoys them. Moo.

 

[sunshineray]

That we know of. We don’t know if they asked KA or perhaps his daughter. moo

Could have left it, the holster, in the car, so he was armed and ready to just pull it out terrify, intimidate?

 

[MassGuy]

Motta and Weinke were involved in propagating these theories---both of them are in the Defense inner circle.

I have to wonder if they’re dumb enough to believe it (I presume not), or simply think their listeners/followers are?

 

[sunshineray]

I could say the same about MS but I don't think they're in any circle, which greatly annoys them. Moo.

Well they certainly weren't in the infamous Due Process Gang.

 

[photographer4]

Could have left it, the holster, in the car, so he was armed and ready to just pull it out terrify, intimidate?

Maybe but again, we haven’t had any evidence to suggest this either… moo.

 

[jepop]

Hi Tricia! Many thanks for Websleuths!

I first came to Websleuths to follow the trial of David Westerfield for the murder of Danielle van Dam. That took place literally right down the road from me.

The jury took much longer to convict than those of us who thought he was guilty expected, so people were predicting a hung jury. Westerfield was convicted.

Since then I've followed multiple cases in which the length of jury deliberations suggested a hung jury to some observers, but wasn't hung.

This is a very serious case and I expect the jury is taking their responsibility seriously, and weighing every piece of evidence and non-evidence before agreeing to the momentous step of sending a person to prison for the rest of their life.

I know I would be.

Jury also took more time than expected in Leticia Staunch trial iirc. The polls on here are great, just not sure they necessarily represent a sound prediction of outcome given sample size and posters' various long term investments in the trial and associated various anxieties. Jury has a perspective on the evidence which we as WS members lack. Jmo

 

[katydid23]

You and I just differ in our understanding of the law. I feel the defense should be able to question the narrative put forth by the prosecution. As the prosecution should be able to question the narrative of the defense. Why should one trust the opinion of the investigators that the girls' blood wasn't drained, for instance?

Maybe because Abby's clothes were drenched in blood, which couldn't happen if her blood had been drained. And same issue with Libby---there were 3 pools of bloods in different area around where she had been stabbed and then moved. So blood draining in a ritual hanging sacrifice ever happened.

Trust me bro? The best way to find out Turco's opinion? Put him on the stand. Best way to find out what the FBI's conclusions are? Put a representative on the stand.

There was a hearing where the D had the chance to bring forth some of these witnesses and they didn't do so. I don't think they should be allowed to bring them to the jury until they would be heard in a formal hearing first, imo.

In an adversarial system, I don't expect every theory each side throws out to be 100% truth. It is somewhere in the middle more often than not.

ETA: we don't have to agree, but calling everyone a conspiracist that doesn't agree with a particular theory is not constructive in my opinion.

The initial Franks motion was very conspiratorial. It was designed to create a huge bombshell reaction, which it did. And it was salacious, and full of false accusations---like the Odinist guards FORCING RA to confess or his family would be in danger. THAT is a conspiracy theory if I've ever heard one. And we never heard another word about any of that.

 

[photographer4]

Jury also took more time than expected in Leticia Staunch trial iirc. The polls on here are great, just not sure they necessarily represent a sound prediction of outcome given sample size and posters' various long term investments in the trial and associated various anxieties. Jury has a perspective on the evidence which we as WS members lack. Jmo

I would argue as well that many of us here have a perspective on the case as a whole that the jurors don’t have due to perhaps Jg’s refusal to allow certain things into the trial. Moo.

 

[MassGuy]

I would argue as well that many of us here have a perspective on the case as a whole that the jurors don’t have due to perhaps Jg’s refusal to allow certain things into the trial. Moo.

That stuff would have extended the trial, and after a good laugh I’m sure the jury would have quickly dismissed it, just as fast as we did.