GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[sunshineray]

Bbm. I'm not sure this could be proven unless it was captured on tape. Pretty tough for guards to admit something like that, I can't see how they would rat on one another? MOO.

Exactly, all speculation. Lots of that and more put out in filings by the defense during the course of this case. Just egregious behavior, MO

 

[sunshineray]

Is KS the one, who has earned the big reward now?? After all, without her thorough work we wouldn't be, where we are: at the end of a trial.

Ahhh but RA tipped himself in and then went on to freely confess an enormous amount of times.
I don't think anyone will be getting that reward.

 

[sunshineray]

That is not bullet proof. At all. I haven’t seen the evidence, though, I just hope people realise that you can monitor and control your phone remotely, if you want to. You can set up a script that will execute commands at specific times - and that’s just the simplest stuff.

Throw in some randomizations of browser history, and I bet it can get pretty convincing.

The tools are readily available.

IMHO

How do we know how intensely they vetted him? We do know he lied to LE, repeatedly. It's all speculation with no nexus. That's why by law JG ruled the SODDIs not admissible. There was no proof and there were alibis. MO

 

[sunshineray]

It proves nothing IMHO. But I guess it’s something, and no one has placed KAK on the trails.

However - He weighed a lot less on 2017 than now, I have come to know, so he wasn’t as recognizable at the time. Meaning he is not impossible as BG.

IMHO

Totally different body type. No way that's him on the bridge. And he was in Peru at the time. Judge ruled by the law, there was no nexus. If the appeals wants to look at her ruling, if RA is convicted, so be it. That's what they do. MO

 

[Salah11]

We don’t know how they vetted him. If all they have is his phone at a specific place taking images and videochatting, that doesn’t mean it’s a solid alibi. It’s akin to saying his dad is his alibi.

Odinists are smoke and mirrors.

Hacker peddos are unfortunately a reality.

Listen, I’m not saying RA is innocent - I just don’t want those associated pervs get away with it because most of us are noobs.

IMHO

RA can be placed on that bridge dressed as the killer at the time in question.

 

[Tortoise]

Why should one trust the opinion of the investigators that the girls' blood wasn't drained, for instance? Trust me bro?

RSBM

The autopsies detailed Livor Mortis. Unless one doesn't trust the forensic pathologist.

 

[MiniMoo]

That is not bullet proof. At all. I haven’t seen the evidence, though, I just hope people realise that you can monitor and control your phone remotely, if you want to. You can set up a script that will execute commands at specific times - and that’s just the simplest stuff.

Throw in some randomizations of browser history, and I bet it can get pretty convincing.

The tools are readily available.

IMHO

Was this the same one that did the Anthony S account?

If he was capable of setting up something like that - who knows what else he was capable of doing.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[BexLuth0r]

We don’t know how they vetted him. If all they have is his phone at a specific place taking images and videochatting, that doesn’t mean it’s a solid alibi. It’s akin to saying his dad is his alibi.

Odinists are smoke and mirrors.

Hacker peddos are unfortunately a reality.

Listen, I’m not saying RA is innocent - I just don’t want those associated pervs get away with it because most of us are noobs.

IMHO

I'm not 100% on this but I thought they actually disproved his whole story? It wasn't just the phone but the car he was "driving" with his dad never appeared in Delphi even though he said it stopped at a gas station with CCTV?

The whole thing is super messy though and even if it is a mighty coincidence that 2 different people have been caught by Libby for 2 different crimes, it is disgusting that both these types of people even exist!

 

[MiniMoo]

RA can be placed on that bridge dressed as the killer at the time in question.

Richard Allen never confirmed what he wore nor did LE, so no-one should be dressing him or anyone, like BG. Just because he called in, one out of 14,000 tips and the only one that called in about himself, doesn't make him BG.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Tortoise]

Richard Allen never confirmed what he wore nor did LE, so no-one should be dressing him or anyone, like BG. Just because he called in, one out of 14,000 tips and the only one that called in about himself, doesn't make him BG.

JMO MOO JMT

Is there a reason that you're discounting what he told investigators in October 2022 about what he wore?

He told the investigators he was wearing blue jeans and a Carhartt jacket that day. He had a black one and a blue one at the time but believed he wore the black one. He also said he was wearing a “skull cap.”

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/arrest-me-or-take-me-home-jury-watches-video-richard-allens-first-interview/

He also did not rule out that the photo they showed him of BG was him.

 

[snarast]

Was this the same one that did the Anthony S account?

If he was capable of setting up something like that - who knows what else he was capable of doing.

JMO MOO JMT

Yes, it’s the anthony_shots guy.

 

[Salah11]

Richard Allen never confirmed what he wore nor did LE, so no-one should be dressing him or anyone, like BG. Just because he called in, one out of 14,000 tips and the only one that called in about himself, doesn't make him BG.

JMO MOO JMT

RA confirmed he wore similar clothing to BG so that’s confirming what he wore. Then add in he is the spitting image body wise to BG then it doesn’t take a genius to figure out he is the man in the video.

ETA - RA also never saw another man out on the bridge when he was standing on platform one which again indicates no other mystery boogieman.

Moo

 

[snarast]

RA confirmed he wore similar clothing to BG so that’s confirming what he wore. Then add in he is the spitting image body wise to BG then it doesn’t take a genius to figure out he is the man in the video.

Moo

At the risk of confirmation bias. Just saying…

IMHO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Might be a bit difficult when medicated to express anything.

What was it - Prozac.




Link: Emotional Blunting

JMO MOO JMT

Jumping off your post with some statistical facts regarding rate of use of antidepressants. I believe these numbers are higher following the Pandemic, but I could not find that data at this time, so IMO.

<snipped 20% rule>

Data from the CDC Findings:

• During 2015–2018, 13.2% of adults aged 18 and over used antidepressant medications in the past 30 days. Use was higher among women (17.7%) than men (8.4%).
• Antidepressant use increased with age, overall and in both sexes—use was highest among women aged 60 and over (24.3%).
• Antidepressant use was higher among non-Hispanic white (16.6%) adults compared with non-Hispanic black (7.8%), Hispanic (6.5%), and non-Hispanic Asian (2.8%) adults.
• Antidepressant medication use was higher for adults with at least some college education (14.3%) compared with those with a high school education (11.5%) or less (11.4%).
• From 2009–2010 through 2017–2018, the percentage of adults who used antidepressants increased among women, but not men.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/datab...aged 60 and over (24.3%) took antidepressants.

 

[Davemac1]

Does anyone know if we can find the official transcript of EVERYTHING that was said on those initial Allen interview tapes??
Lauren from hidden true crime has done a cracking job that puts out everything word by word but due to their position in the gallery there are just some things they never hear. ( Hopefully the jury can!!)
Crucially she missed most of whatever Kathy Allen says in those interviews. It was inaudible according to Lauren.
I think these could be crucial statements and would really like to know and understand everything that was shown.
Anyone??

 

[Salah11]

At the risk of confirmation bias. Just saying…

IMHO

I am taking him at his word so no bias here. He admits he went to platform one and stood there and was dressed similarly to BG. He does not have a alibi at all for the murders and vanished off the face of the earth for hours on end.

He also didn’t see anybody else out on the platform lingering. He has also admitted he did it 60+ times.

 

[katydid23]

Ah OK, I didn't think they were allowed to do that.

I don't think they are allowed to ask if it is leaning G or NG. But I am pretty sure they can ask if it is a wide split or if it is close.

 

[mrjitty]

RSBM

The autopsies detailed Livor Mortis. Unless one doesn't trust the forensic pathologist.

Interesting

 

[FrostedGlass]

I wonder, would the lack of written reasonings with the majority of her rulings be included in the laundry list of reasons for appeal?

MOO
I've never seen those in the appeals I've read. However, I do think they will be a problem to some degree. CJ Rush used JG's written opinion for removing the defense attys as part of her finding that the JG was not biased.

I really do not understand why the judge has not put her decisions in writing.

Richard Allen's oral argument before the Indiana Supreme Court

Indiana Appellate Clerk's Portal

 

[Jade]

At the risk of confirmation bias. Just saying…

IMHO

On WS on thread number #215?

Impossible of those engaged in the discussions or even just reading as dedicated WS for all these years. It’s in a WS blood to question and reason; it’s a time consuming hobby.

The simple redundant concept of conformation bias is opposed by the 215 threads of vibrant discussion.

WS is the antithesis of confirmation bias; everything is questioned and researched, imo.

At the start of each thread is a list of proceeding threads where the evidence lays of the thoroughness of the sleuthing of this case over the years.


All imo