GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[shonyakay]

You and I just differ in our understanding of the law. I feel the defense should be able to question the narrative put forth by the prosecution. As the prosecution should be able to question the narrative of the defense. Why should one trust the opinion of the investigators that the girls' blood wasn't drained, for instance? Trust me bro? The best way to find out Turco's opinion? Put him on the stand. Best way to find out what the FBI's conclusions are? Put a representative on the stand.

In an adversarial system, I don't expect every theory each side throws out to be 100% truth. It is somewhere in the middle more often than not.

ETA: we don't have to agree, but calling everyone a conspiracist that doesn't agree with a particular theory is not constructive in my opinion.

So you believe in the hanging from a tree to drain blood theory? I have never heard of any restraint injuries found on the girls' arms or legs.

 

[girlhasnoname]

So right after the FBI was dismissed from the investigation, the “missing link” was found. IMO

No not 'right after', it was actually found almost a year later in Sept 2022 according to the linked article.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

MOO

You were responding to an appeal. Wonder if the DT will continue to be paid while attempting an appeal or would that be pro bono? Anyone know how that works?

Isn’t it common that a different lawyer would take over on appeal, someone who specializes in appeal work?

 

[MiniMoo]

RA confirmed he wore similar clothing to BG so that’s confirming what he wore. Then add in he is the spitting image body wise to BG then it doesn’t take a genius to figure out he is the man in the video.

ETA - RA also never saw another man out on the bridge when he was standing on platform one which again indicates no other mystery boogieman.

Moo

It is like Person X saying I may have worn (no confirmation) a pink, orange maybe yellow tee shirt with a pair of beige or sky blue spandex leggings and as for footwear - maybe brown leather sandals or even a 10 year old pair of white tennis shoes.

Next thing:

The POI was last seen wearing a pink and orange tee shirt with a pair of beige coloured spandex leggings and white shoes.

However, what if Person X actually wore a yellow tee shirt with sky blue leggings and brown leather sandals not pink, orange or beige.

RIchard Allen never confirmed what clothes he wore.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[girlhasnoname]

Interesting

Here's a brief synopsis of Liver Mortis, worth a read:

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Livor Mortis Can Give Clues In An Investigation​

Livor mortis can also give clues about how an individual might have died, or what the body’s condition was soon after death. The development of lividity can be hindered in certain parts of the skin if there was an obstruction that blocked blood supply to that area.

What Is Livor Mortis?

 

[cherrybier]

Isn’t it common that a different lawyer would take over on appeal, someone who specializes in appeal work?

An appellant attorney, yes.

 

[shonyakay]

Richard Allen never confirmed what he wore nor did LE, so no-one should be dressing him or anyone, like BG. Just because he called in, one out of 14,000 tips and the only one that called in about himself, doesn't make him BG.

JMO MOO JMT

RA admitted what he wore to Dan Dulin on February 18, 2017 and this was revealed when Liggett and Mullin read RA DD's tip sheet during their interview of him on October 13, 2022.

From the conversation they had you can see that RA must have admitted to wearing a Cartthart coat.

"Liggett then read Tip #74, Allen’s self-reported tip stating he was on the trail dressed in similar clothes as Bridge Guy."

(Further down)

Mullin said, “On that day, you were on the bridge wearing …

Allen then cuts him off.

“I don’t know how you can tell what coat this is,” he said “This is ridiculous to me. That doesn’t even look like a Carhartt coat.”

“You’re right, we can’t,” Mullin said.

“You lost me I’m not going to talk. Like I said, we’re done here. Arrest me or take me home,” Allen said. “You’ve lost my trust. Are you going to arrest me?

“Am I free to leave or not?”

Mullin responded, “You were always free to leave.”

Allen then gets up and walks out.

“Thank you. You’re an (expletive),” Allen said as he walked out of the room.

‘I didn’t do it’ - Carroll County Comet

This is a two-part series. Tomorrow we will post Allen’s confessions testified to by employees and former employees of the Indiana Department of Corrections. “I didn’t do it.” Richard Allen sat in an interview room at the Indiana State Police Lafayette Post across the table from Lt. Jerry...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[getthefax]

Its only his word that he always uses a holster.

Yep. He said he had his phone there but there’s no evidence he did. Also said he didn’t have his gun there, but later said he dropped that bullet … Holster was just further distancing, IMO.

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

RA confirmed he wore similar clothing to BG so that’s confirming what he wore. Then add in he is the spitting image body wise to BG then it doesn’t take a genius to figure out he is the man in the video.

ETA - RA also never saw another man out on the bridge when he was standing on platform one which again indicates no other mystery boogieman.

Moo

<modsnip: discussing persons not named suspects/POI>

It annoys me that the police didn’t do the height analysis of BG based on the images from Libbys phone, as that could well have narrowed the field one way or another given that RA is pretty short for a man .

 

[AugustWest]

So you believe in the hanging from a tree to drain blood theory? I have never heard of any restraint injuries found on the girls' arms or legs.

I was using the examples the OP was giving as hypotheticals to illustrate a point. I never brought up restraints or the "hanging from a tree to drain blood theory."

 

[Vern]

As I head out today to honour and remember those in the Profession of Arms who've sacrificed all for their nations, I will also raise a dram to my own fallen friends.

I wish a day of strength for those serving as Jurors and thank them too for rising to the occasion in the performance of their civic duty and responsibility.

It's far for easy for them.

I will also remember two strong, brave girls who did their best on 13 February 2017 to capture evidence of their killer. I hope that today is the day.

May justice be served in their names.

 

[Davemac1]

RA admitted what he wore to Dan Dulin on February 18, 2017 and this was revealed when Liggett and Mullin read RA DD's tip sheet during their interview of him on October 13, 2022.

From the conversation they had you can see that RA must have admitted to wearing a Cartthart coat.

"Liggett then read Tip #74, Allen’s self-reported tip stating he was on the trail dressed in similar clothes as Bridge Guy."

(Further down)

Mullin said, “On that day, you were on the bridge wearing …

Allen then cuts him off.

“I don’t know how you can tell what coat this is,” he said “This is ridiculous to me. That doesn’t even look like a Carhartt coat.”

“You’re right, we can’t,” Mullin said.

“You lost me I’m not going to talk. Like I said, we’re done here. Arrest me or take me home,” Allen said. “You’ve lost my trust. Are you going to arrest me?

“Am I free to leave or not?”

Mullin responded, “You were always free to leave.”

Allen then gets up and walks out.

“Thank you. You’re an (expletive),” Allen said as he walked out of the room.

‘I didn’t do it’ - Carroll County Comet

This is a two-part series. Tomorrow we will post Allen’s confessions testified to by employees and former employees of the Indiana Department of Corrections. “I didn’t do it.” Richard Allen sat in an interview room at the Indiana State Police Lafayette Post across the table from Lt. Jerry...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Forgive me. Can you point me in the direction of what exactly was written in that initial tip sheet?

 

[shonyakay]

Forgive me. Can you point me in the direction of what exactly was written in that initial tip sheet?

I don't have the actual transcript but it's a logical deduction given that this article states "Liggett then read Tip #74, Allen’s self-reported tip stating he was on the trail dressed in similar clothes as Bridge Guy."

And...

Mullin said, “On that day, you were on the bridge wearing …

Allen then cuts him off.

“I don’t know how you can tell what coat this is,” he said “This is ridiculous to me. That doesn’t even look like a Carhartt coat."

 

[justtrish]

As I head out today to honour and remember those in the Profession of Arms who've sacrificed all for their nations, I will also raise a dram to my own fallen friends.

I wish a day of strength for those serving as Jurors and thank them too for rising to the occasion in the performance of their civic duty and responsibility.

It's far for easy for them.

I will also remember two strong, brave girls who did their best on 13 February 2017 to capture evidence of their killer. I hope that today is the day.

May justice be served in their names.

Thank you @Vern for your selfless dedication to your country and to making the world a better and safer place.

 

[Justice101]

The jury sounds like they are being very thorough.

It might be one or two people who are opposed to the majority who the jury foreman wants to review the sticking point with those people.

Hoping for some sort of verdict today.

 

[shonyakay]

I was using the examples the OP was giving as hypotheticals to illustrate a point. I never brought up restraints or the "hanging from a tree to drain blood theory."

You stated, "Why should one trust the opinion of the investigators that the girls' blood wasn't drained, for instance? Trust me bro?"

My answer, because there is no evidence of ligature marks on either girl.

I do apologize if I personalized my comment as to what your personal belief is in regards to that eccentric theory by the defense.

 

[arielilane]

@BobSegallWTHR

Same road.Different day. After 21 days of testimony and deliberations, is this the day jurors will reach a verdict in the #Delphi murders case? On my way to find out.@EmilyWTHR @SamJohnsonNews & I will be at the courthouse every day until the verdict is announced.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855964638099255406

 

[Salah11]

I hope today they do a full day even if no Verdict is forthcoming.

 

[Poedelini]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855965739548586337

 

[mrjitty]

You stated, "Why should one trust the opinion of the investigators that the girls' blood wasn't drained, for instance? Trust me bro?"

My answer, because there is no evidence of ligature marks on either girl.

I do apologize if I personalized my comment as to what your personal belief is in regards to that eccentric theory by the defense.

It's not only that they included that wild speculation for no apparent reason. It's also that they knew it was misleading (as they didn't include any of the MEs findings) AND we since discovered the rope belonged to the crime scene investigators which I presume the defence also knew.

I think it's reasonable to conclude the whole point was to fan the flames of conspiracy on social media rather than it being content for the Judge.

My 02c