GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[mpnola]

I haven't seen those videos. Do you have links? Thanks.

Maybe. I'm in bed already, so if someone else doesn't link them, I will try to find them tomorrow

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Maybe. I'm in bed already, so if someone else doesn't link them, I will try to find them tomorrow

Thanks and sleep well!

 

[vls12345]

I am so pleased with the jury's verdict. I know they made the correct decision. Sending them thanks for their diligence.

I am sure it has been a long time coming and is likely a bittersweet time for Abby's and Libby's loved ones. They must be exhausted. Sending them condolences as they await the next step in this path their lives have taken.

And sending grace to RA's family as they need to face some harsh realities that they may not have really processed yet.

Wishing peace to all and sending thanks to the WS community.

 

[sunshineray]

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... men who were cleared by LE investigators and that was confirmed in JG's ruling, finding no nexus for the SODDIs.

Order Issued The Court, having had the State's Motion in Limine under advisement following a hearing conducted on August 1, 2024, and having heard and considered the evidence, admitted exhibits, arguments of counsel, Defendant's Supplemental Submission Regarding State's Motion in Limine (filed August 13, 2024), and the State's Response to Defendant's Memorandum of Law (filed August 26, 2024), grants paragraphs 1 through 6, over defendant's objection, and grants paragraphs 8 through 12 over defendant's objection. As it relates to paragraph 7, the burden is on the defendant to show a nexus between Odinism, cult or ritualistic killing, Brad Holder, Patrick Westfall, Johnny Messer, Elvis Fields, Ned Smith, Rod Abrahms, Kegan Kline, Jerry Kline, Ron Logan and the murders of the two victims. The case law is quite clear that the nexus must not be based on speculation, conjecture, rumors, or hearsay, but rather on admissible evidence. The Court finds the defense has failed to produce admissible evidence demonstrating a nexus between Odinism, cult or ritualistic killing, Brad Holder, Patrick Westfall, Johnny Messer, Elvis Fields, Ned Smith, Rod Abrahms, Kegan Kline, Jerry Kline, Ron Logan and the murders. Therefore, the Court grants paragraph 7 of the State's Motion in Limine over defendant's objection. The Court will not permit the evidence submitted by the defense in support of their arguments regarding third-party perpetrators in the trial of this cause as the probative value of such evidence is greatly outweighed by confusion of the issues and its potential to mislead the jury. The Court will allow that evidence to support an offer of proof at the trial if one is made by Counsel. Jury selection will commence in Allen Superior Court October 14, 2024, with trial commencing in the Carroll Circuit Court, concluding November 15, 2024. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 09/03/2024​

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[gitana1]

I agree. We have not seen or heard about any Odinist Ritual Sacrifices in probably 100 years. Whereas sexual assaults on kidnapped girls happen everyday, Sadly...

Exactly. The dude did it. He wanted to assault and destroy two little girls. There was nothing logical that pointed toward some nonexistent ritual cult murder.

 

[Sarahlou]

So happy to wake up and see this news! Good job jury.

 

[gitana1]

True!!
I have friends who are Correction Officers in one of our world's largest prisons at one time.
With Federal and state cutbacks, it is Now one of largest in our state instead of the country/world.

What RA had while being held for safety reasons is a one-off --
most do not get the extras that he got.
Basically, he was protected and a bit spoiled but I honestly understand why because of the reason he was there.

Now he will not be--- and men who commit SA and murder against young girls/children are the lowest of scum inside the walls.

His D-team will not be able to help him there.

I am Ok with that.

He rendered Libby and Abby defenseless and wanted control of 2 innocent young teenagers.



JMO

I hear that sentiment a lot but I can’t think of one high profile child killer who has been harmed in prison. Not since Dahmer. Can anyone?

 

[mpnola]

I hear that sentiment a lot but I can’t think of one high profile child killer who has been harmed in prison. Not since Dahmer. Can anyone?

I'm not sure but his own defense team said the inmates were yelling baby killer at him and yelling at him to kill himself. So, I don't think he will be the most popular kid at the table. Even if they don't hurt him (which I actually never wish harm like that on anyone), I am going to bet it will be much harder than a private room with a TV and tablet and a daily therapist visit.

 

[sunshineray]

I hear that sentiment a lot but I can’t think of one high profile child killer who has been harmed in prison. Not since Dahmer. Can anyone?

Epstein? Child trafficker, not murderer (that we know of) and died under very suspicious circumstances in NYC. MO

 

[sunshineray]

I'm not sure but his own defense team said the inmates were yelling baby killer at him and yelling at him to kill himself. So, I don't think he will be the most popular kid at the table. Even if they don't hurt him (which I actually never wish harm like that on anyone), I am going to bet it will be much harder than a private room with a TV and tablet and a daily therapist visit.

After sentencing, I wonder where he'll wind up...Westville again?

 

[BexLuth0r]

I don't really understand why people keeping knocking on the odinist door. There was no evidence tying them to the crime. It's crazy that people are so willing to believe that, with no evidence, than circumstantial evidence that ties Richard Allen to the crime.

I also think him wearing purple today at the verdict is kind of gross. One final insult to the girls.

 

[k-mac]

Today was the day! xx

So glad the families of these beautiful girls found justice for them.
It must be very trying,enduring all the killer lover support out there that no doubt the nonsense will roll on even now he is convicted of this crime.
Like me I hope they just don't give it air time.
May the sunshine again and fill their hearts

 

[mrjitty]

I have a theory that the defence damaged their own case with a poorly thought out, OTT trial strategy that prioritised BOOM motions for public consumption over getting useful evidence admitted at trial.

It is necessary to piece together a bit of background to explain this

In a recent interview with The Prosecutors, KG explained that the defence had been seeking to tap into a conspiracy theory involving the witness P. (link at approx 30 mins). The D called P as a witness at trial. P was on the Bridge with friends after the victims that day and saw and heard nothing.

However according to KG, there existed conspiracies against the person back in the early days of this case. According to MS's discord leaks relating to the Due Process gang, the D investigator tried to work with youtubers to develop this conspiracy using geofence evidence from the discovery which he allegedly showed to the youtubers.

Fast forward to 13 March 2004 and the remarkable "France III - The Geofence" gets filed with this claim


Now according to MS, para 9(c) is particularly disturbing as the D was obviously well aware these kids were not the killers. The prosecutor reacted strongly with the result beng that the geofence map got excluded from the case. Indeed as far as I am aware, at the 3 day hearing the D did not even bring a cellular / geofence expert to make their case for inclusion.

So the net result was that a the map which could have been a useful moment at trial for them got excluded because they made wild claims that they couldn't back up at the pre-trial hearing.

Now, I am not a huge fan of the Judge's skimpy ruling on Geofence but I do believe @m00c0w is correct that far from excluding all geofence/warrant/cast/phone evidence as repeatedly claimed by the Bob Motta, Lawyer Lee etc - the Judge actually just said what the law is anyway - the evidence could only come in if relevant and not misleading. And to my knowledge the D never tried to put any of that kind of evidence on the record at trial.

This feels like a huge blunder to me. They could have saved this to simply put this exhibit to the witness at trial, (state would object) or even call their own phone expert.

Instead they tried to do a back door SODDI against a witness who never was the killer based on conspiracies.

Very poor work IMO.

MOO

 

[k-mac]

I don't really understand why people keeping knocking on the odinist door. There was no evidence tying them to the crime. It's crazy that people are so willing to believe that, with no evidence, than circumstantial evidence that ties Richard Allen to the crime.

I also think him wearing purple today at the verdict is kind of gross. One final insult to the girls.

yes I think its wonderful the judge would not allow non sensical unprovable nonsense into the court.
You have to have supported information or it gets thrown out.
All roads always led to Allen.

RIP Libby and ABBY.
Libby and Abby, I get chills when I think about what you managed to collect and protect while your lives was being so horrifically ripped away from you. Bravery and forward thinking. Your families are so proud of you xx

 

[katydid23]

I remember Colts kicker Pat Mcafee’s name was thrown around as a suspect in some parts (no, I am not kidding). Maybe they can use that one next?

Yes, I remember and the reason was because idiots thought it was 'suspicious' that he gave Delphi a large cash donation to help them pay for the investigation, so of course, that puts him on the suspect list....that was crazy.

McAfee is known for generous donations but some idiots turn it against him and accuse him of killing children?:

 

[getthefax]

I know I am in the minority, but I was glad no cameras or electronics were allowed.

I agree. Hopefully the local people can retain some of their anonymity and hopefully end this circus in their traumatized town.

 

[Tealgrove]

For sure!

Zero other Odin ritual killings EVER..
Rope used to hang the girls up was actually police rope.
No blood at the scene so it must have happened elsewhere or their blood was drained out.. false.. blood was all over the crime scene and they died right there where they were found.
Runes? Or a dying child's bloody hand.

I'm going to guess that those jurors are not the type to buy into conspiracies. Not the fake moon landing.. and certainly not the first Odin ritual sacrifice killing of 2 teenagers to be explained by an expert that suggests she knows that because the murder was outside near the water and you know the magical thinking.

IMO

RA should have changed lawyers when he was given the opportunity.

Oh well not surprising I guess.

Ricky isn’t good when it comes to the decisions he chooses to make.

Buh bye Ricky.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

I am wondering when he made the choice to actually kill them. Was it prior to abducting them at gun point? There are questions that we may never know the answers to. I feel bad for the families that they may never know but maybe it is a blessing that they don't know.

I think he knew all along he'd have to kill them---they saw his face.

 

[k-mac]

The clinchers for me where.

-RA seeing his picture in the paper and calling LE to identify it as himself.
This was 3 days after the killings.
An innocent person in a little town would have been in touch with LE the 14th at the latest to say, hey I was there, how can I help. No excuses. he knew the area well and should have been a great help to the search party.

-He confessed he lost 2 bullets. One on the bridge.

-Brad spooking him in the white van.

-RA identifying to LE the girls who ID-ed him.

-The box cutter from his work.

-Trying to confess to his mother with a very heartfelt logical 'I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true".

-LE finding every phone he has ever owned in his house EXCEPT the phone he had in 2017.

Thats just off the top of my head. Its the collective volume.

moo

 

[mrjitty]

Exactly. The dude did it. He wanted to assault and destroy two little girls. There was nothing logical that pointed toward some nonexistent ritual cult murder.

Exactly.

For instance in her latest live, defence champion AB claims at 25 mins approx that the 3rd party 'confessed' and that it constitutes a nexus for SODDI. But the defence did not bring this witness at the 3 day hearing. Nor did the defence even mention it in their Memorandum of Support following the hearing. All that was left was the POIs strange comment to Murphy - whatever that was - it wasn't a confession. And he'd just given DNA so it was pretty clear he was cooperating.

I feel this stuff gets intentionally misstated and the confession keeps coming up despite the defence failing to deliver it.