GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[gremlin444]

GUILTY Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215'

Nov 11, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856105941613023501

• Seattle1

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So to me that reads like the court reporter doesn't even start creating a transcript until after the defense team files their appeal--which they have up until 30 days after Dec 20? And I would imagine that it takes quite a while to finalize the transcript.

I wonder if they are at least allowed to start working on their transcript files in the meantime, knowing that it's pretty much guaranteed they will file an appeal.

 

[statt#1]

@minor4th
Last thread closed.. you noted there may have been a different outcome, had the alternate suspects been allowed. I truly believe had Odinism been introduced, the jury would have reached the same conclusion, only more quickly. The ritual angle was ludicrous, especially when compared to the much more likely motive of sexual assault.

jmo

This is so true. In my opinion, the outrageous claims made throughout this case, and during this trial, did nothing to serve justice. There is much to be learned from a study of the social media impact on investigations, and I would think those in all aspects of LE, and the legal profession, would benefit from analyzing the pros and cons of tactics, techniques, and strategies.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Timothy Harper, a Delphi resident of more than 30 years, said the community has always come together during hardships.

“I believe this town had a lot of love that was waiting for this day and we are one again,” Harper said. “Tonight we will be able to go to sleep, knowing we are all safe again – knowing that we can ask and look at one another again and in the hands of love and help.“

“The man is now going to be put behind bars for what he has done.”

Community reacts to Delphi murder trial verdict

he community of Delphi came together after jurors reached a verdict in the case of Richard Allen.

www.21alivenews.com

 

[technicallymissing]

GUILTY Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215'

Nov 11, 2024

Just looked at the clock. 2,828 days ago Libby’s phone ceased movement at this exact time.

• MassGuy

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Right on target once again MassGuy- you posted the above from the last thread exactly as the cuffs were clinking shut around RA's wrists today according to TMS's source. Amazing! (And a little eerie if I'm being honest)

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: The Verdict: Richard Allen Is Guilty

The jury delivered a verdict in the Delphi murders case today. Richard Allen is guilty. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt...

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[minor4th]

@minor4th
Last thread closed.. you noted there may have been a different outcome, had the alternate suspects been allowed. I truly believe had Odinism been introduced, the jury would have reached the same conclusion, only more quickly. The ritual angle was ludicrous, especially when compared to the much more likely motive of sexual assault.

jmo

I’m not even talking about Odinism.

And the jury may well have come to the same verdict if the defense had been allowed to put on their case. But IMO it was reversible error to exclude it all whole cloth.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m not even talking about Odinism.

KAK or RL were the only two I thought might have some impact. Who were you thinking of?

 

[minor4th]

GUILTY Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215'

Nov 11, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856105941613023501

• Seattle1

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So to me that reads like the court reporter doesn't even start creating a transcript until after the defense team files their appeal--which they have up until 30 days after Dec 20? And I would imagine that it takes quite a while to finalize the transcript.

I wonder if they are at least allowed to start working on their transcript files in the meantime, knowing that it's pretty much guaranteed they will file an appeal.

30 days to file a notice of appeal. They can’t actually file their appeal until the transcript and record are completed. It’s going to take a while.

 

[Chimera]

I believe the motive was prob. SA, but RA was interrupted ?
Omo.

 

[minor4th]

I guess what I’m really saying is that I would have been much more confident in a guilty verdict if the jury had come to that decision after hearing all of the evidence that was improperly (IMO) excluded.

 

[Vern]

TMS was not in the courtroom for the verdict but it was related to them that the clock of RA's handcuffs occurred at 2:32.

2:32.

We've heard that time before.

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: The Verdict: Richard Allen Is Guilty

The jury delivered a verdict in the Delphi murders case today. Richard Allen is guilty. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt...

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I just got home from the Legion about an hour ago. Left my screen open to where I left this morning ... Page 29. Hit the next page button and saw the huge GUILTY headliner in the thread title and so how I earned that today WAS the day. I burst into tears and was washed with a sense of relief. Finally. The day of days. And I've since read through every page to get to here ... experiencing it as you all experienced it today but already knowing what the outcome would be (which I never doubted anyway).

Thread 214 - February 14th
Clicking of the cuffs at 2:32pm

Absolute Serendipity

Congratulations Abby & Libby - you did it!! Your killer is off the streets and will never harm another child again. I like it that way.

In honour of these sweet girls, their photos. Loving that US Navy toque. Fly high and rest assured that you will be remembered.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

appeals are filled after sentencing correct?

 

[katydid23]

@minor4th
Last thread closed.. you noted there may have been a different outcome, had the alternate suspects been allowed. I truly believe had Odinism been introduced, the jury would have reached the same conclusion, only more quickly. The ritual angle was ludicrous, especially when compared to the much more likely motive of sexual assault.

jmo

I agree. We have not seen or heard about any Odinist Ritual Sacrifices in probably 100 years. Whereas sexual assaults on kidnapped girls happen everyday, Sadly...

 

[KSwizzle]

Just another thing that is odd but I wouldn’t be surprised if Judge Gull’s forced secrecy of the trial and proceedings being accessible to the public don’t become an issue.

I’m not saying RA isn’t the perpetrator, I’m not saying the jury got it wrong, I just think there are a lot of items about this whole case that are questionable, MOO

 

[minor4th]

appeals are filled after sentencing correct?

Yes

 

[fred&edna]

I guess what I’m really saying is that I would have been much more confident in a guilty verdict if the jury had come to that decision after hearing all of the evidence that was improperly (IMO) excluded.

Some type of appeal that would be based on constitutional violation or legal error, then? If I understand correctly.

 

[SouthEnd]

Some type of appeal that would be based on constitutional violation or legal error, then? If I understand correctly.

What we normally see in appeals, (IANAL BTW!) in the NON DNA cases in particular, is reversible error. AKA the appeal lawyers will claim that a judge's decision went against the law, and if that decision was reversed, there would have been no guilty verdict.

Now the bar for this is high, because it needs to be proven that this single decision made by the Judge (to allow or disallow a person to testify, or to admit a piece of evidence) was not only against trial law but also that it was the one piece of evidence the jury would not have voted guilty without.

Ok this is my understanding of the US Law, so very happy for ppl who know better to tell me 'no'

All MOO!

EBM - dreadful grammar

 

[loreet]

Once he is sentenced and officially becomes an inmate and prisoner of the Indiana Department of Corrections, RA is going to be begging for the pre-conviction levels of protection and months of solitary confinement his defense team thought were so horrible. Prison inmates have a social hierarchy. And men who have been convicted of the sexual assault and murder of children are the lowest of low.

 

[flashy09]

TMS: "Having sat through that trial, after hearing all the evidence, this wasn't even close. He's guilty as sin."

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: The Verdict: Richard Allen Is Guilty

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To reference another Taylor Swift song
The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived

"And in plain sight you hid
But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived."

 

[Warwick7]

TMS was not in the courtroom for the verdict but it was related to them that the clock of RA's handcuffs occurred at 2:32.

2:32.

We've heard that time before.

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: The Verdict: Richard Allen Is Guilty

The jury delivered a verdict in the Delphi murders case today. Richard Allen is guilty. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt...

murdersheetpodcast.com

B e u a tiful!!!
Bam!!!!

 

[justtrish]

I'm less worried regarding appeals than I was about verdict. The Prosecutors and KG from the MS and a couple of other legal experts that I have trust in (meaning they usually opine close to what I see being played out in the cases I follow) have offered that JG is almost always ruling textbook rulings when it comes to D vs P. In fact KG disagreed that there was cause to allow RAs "holding conditions" to be shown while the more recent videos of him threatening guards were not shown to the jury. He said this was the only decision a third party could find questionable.

https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

I was way more doubtful that 12 ppl could understand the tool mark evidence and the data of the timeline, than I am that SCOIN will reject the appeals.

All MOO

I think with expert witnesses it's always best to hear it first hand as the jurors did. It never seems to translate well when someone that doesn't understand what it is then has to take notes and relay it to a third party. The jurors also have the benefit of seeing reactions, seeing pauses in answering questions or if it's immediate (as if the expert is confident in their answers or not). They had the option to ask their own question to get clarification.

I think many who reported on what was happening tried their best to relay only facts, but some just were not interested in relaying it unbiased.. they spun things to their liking to fuel their belief and get their supports to stay turned in. This creates confusion for us as things were reported differently by each person. Then we have the idea that this will be so difficult for the jurors, when it really may have been simple for them to walk through the evidence and they likely didn't have half the question many of the posters here have.