GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Peppery]

@minor4th @AugustWest and any others:

Does the jury or the judge decide his sentence? I believe he’s facing up to 130 years without parole as max, but is there any leeway to give him less?

 

[shonyakay]

I believe once he had them take their clothes off things did not work as he expected and it enraged him the van drove by he made them cross the creek and we know the rest. No way could he let them live and tell the tale of his failed SA attempt.JMOO

I am wondering when he made the choice to actually kill them. Was it prior to abducting them at gun point? There are questions that we may never know the answers to. I feel bad for the families that they may never know but maybe it is a blessing that they don't know.

 

[browneyes]

This is so true. In my opinion, the outrageous claims made throughout this case, and during this trial, did nothing to serve justice. There is much to be learned from a study of the social media impact on investigations, and I would think those in all aspects of LE, and the legal profession, would benefit from analyzing the pros and cons of tactics, techniques, and strategies.

I know I am in the minority, but I was glad no cameras or electronics were allowed.

 

[oviedo]

Imo

What seems like celebration among many of us today is strictly because our fears of a miscarriage of justice have been alleviated.

We are not cheering as though it was a game-winning touchdown and our “side” won.

We aren’t here to be right or wrong. I think everyone here, newbies or old-timers, wanted to see the murderer of Abby and Libby receive his just punishment, and thereby assuage some of the agony for the German and Williams families.

Personally, I’d be much happier had I never heard of Abby and Libby because they’d never been murdered. That isn’t what unfolded for them, tragically, so what was left was identifying the murderer (DONE) and locking him up where he can no longer harm anyone (DONE).

It seemed obvious to many of us that RA was BG, based on the totality of evidence. Therefore I am rejoicing because there is no longer a debatable (in some opinions) Bridge Guy.

There is only Richard Allen.

NOT just my opinion but a fact of law now.

Yea I agree - if we never heard about them they would be graduating college and living their beautiful lives - which was stolen by RA
JMO

 

[Gigiky]

Once he is sentenced and officially becomes an inmate and prisoner of the Indiana Department of Corrections, RA is going to be begging for the pre-conviction levels of protection and months of solitary confinement his defense team thought were so horrible. Prison inmates have a social hierarchy. And men who have been convicted of the sexual assault and murder of children are the lowest of low.

That's really not true.

 

[fred&edna]

I'm just glad the defense didn't have an expert stick-ologist they wanted to bring in. They didn't, did they?

 

[cherrybier]

@minor4th @AugustWest and any others:

Does the jury or the judge decide his sentence? I believe he’s facing up to 130 years without parole as max, but is there any leeway to give him less?

The Judge does.

Jury duty has been completed.

I believe the sentence requirements for these charges are 45 to 65 years. Moo.

 

[Warwick7]

Yea I agree - if we never heard about them they would be graduating college and living their beautiful lives - which was stolen by RA
JMO

And the perverted murderer never accomplished raping them like he wanted. I'm grateful!

 

[Warwick7]

"The prosecution embraced as the verdict was read. Allen's lawyers were comforting him, before he was cuffed and led away. During discussion of sentencing, Allen looked at his wife, Kathy, and asked, "Are you OK?"

He's worried about someone else being ok???? What about Abby's family, Libbys family?!

'Today was the day,' says Libby German's sister after Richard Allen is found guilty in Delphi murders trial

The jury deliberated for approximately 19-20 hours over several days, reaching the verdict Monday afternoon.

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[Warwick7]

"Libby's sister, Kelsi, posted on Instagram writing, "Nearly 8 years, today was the day."

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'Today was the day,' says Libby German's sister after Richard Allen is found guilty in Delphi murders trial

The jury deliberated for approximately 19-20 hours over several days, reaching the verdict Monday afternoon.

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[m00c0w]

The Judge does.

Jury duty has been completed.

I believe the sentence requirements for these charges are 45 to 65 years. Moo.

No, the jury does. They will determine if life without parole applies or if it will be a lesser sentence.

(d) If the defendant was convicted of murder in a jury trial, the jury shall reconvene for the sentencing hearing. If the trial was to the court, or the judgment was entered on a guilty plea, the court alone shall conduct the sentencing hearing.

https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-35-criminal-law-and-procedure/in-code-sect-35-50-2-9/

 

[INfisherman]

Once he is sentenced and officially becomes an inmate and prisoner of the Indiana Department of Corrections, RA is going to be begging for the pre-conviction levels of protection and months of solitary confinement his defense team thought were so horrible. Prison inmates have a social hierarchy. And men who have been convicted of the sexual assault and murder of children are the lowest of low.

Maybe then he’ll understand fear, terror & what it’s like being a victim. Only this time, he won’t be faking.

JMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

I know I am in the minority, but I was glad no cameras or electronics were allowed.

I totally agree! Although, I am very inquisitive, I think the judge was ‘right on’ with her decision. Cameras and other electronics most likely would have ignited even more BS and arguments online etc etc. I know my opinion is not a popular one, but I honestly think it was for the best.

 

[cherrybier]

No, the jury does. They will determine if life without parole applies or if it will be a lesser sentence.

(d) If the defendant was convicted of murder in a jury trial, the jury shall reconvene for the sentencing hearing. If the trial was to the court, or the judgment was entered on a guilty plea, the court alone shall conduct the sentencing hearing.

https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-35-criminal-law-and-procedure/in-code-sect-35-50-2-9/

These charges are not aggravated, meaning the sentence can't be LWOP, also why they couldn't go DP.

The Judge will decide the sentence, the range is 45-65 years. With an advisory range of 55 years.

This is per charge hence the max 130 we see floating around.

Moo.

 

[INfisherman]

I believe once he had them take their clothes off things did not work as he expected and it enraged him the van drove by he made them cross the creek and we know the rest. No way could he let them live and tell the tale of his failed SA attempt.JMOO

Only discussing/throwing ideas around & not debating…..

I’m not so sure the intent was ever to let either of them live from the start. The gun & box cutter seem like overkill for only a SA. Maybe one day, RA will grow a set & come clean & many questions can be answered.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

The Judge does.

Jury duty has been completed.

I believe the sentence requirements for these charges are 45 to 65 years. Moo.

No. I don't think that is right.

In Indiana if the defendant is convicted of murder in a jury trial, the same jury must reconvene to decide on the sentence. However, if the trial was conducted by the judge without a jury or if the defendant pleaded guilty, the judge will solely handle the sentencing phase.

Indiana Law

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fcodes.findlaw.com%2Fin%2Ftitle-35-criminal-law-and-procedure%2Fin-code-sect-35-50-2-8%2F%23%3A~%3Atext%3D(h)%2520If%2520the%2520person%2520was%2Cunder%2520this%2520subsection%2520is%2520nonsuspendible.&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl2%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

 

[INfisherman]

I’m just not seeing how 45 X 4 = 130.

 

[iamshadow21]

What good news to wake up to.

Sleep well, Libby and Abby.

 

[PaulaDC]

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Nov 11, 2024

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So to me that reads like the court reporter doesn't even start creating a transcript until after the defense team files their appeal--which they have up until 30 days after Dec 20? And I would imagine that it takes quite a while to finalize the transcript.

I wonder if they are at least allowed to start working on their transcript files in the meantime, knowing that it's pretty much guaranteed they will file an appeal.

I can see why there was a report of him not having blue eyes. If that's even true comment. When I look at him his eyes do seem to get dark.....

 

[TTF14]

I’m not even talking about Odinism.

And the jury may well have come to the same verdict if the defense had been allowed to put on their case. But IMO it was reversible error to exclude it all whole cloth.

I feel for these jurors. I think some, it not all, are going be retraumatized once they hear about all the evidence they weren't allowed to hear/see. I'd be livid if I were them. Maybe some of them will even join the appeal fight.

As always, JMO.