GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Tricia]

Final tally for the poll. The question was, how would the jury find?
Guilty 63.5%
Not Guilty 6.4%
Hung Jury 30%
I was among the 30% who thought it would be a hung jury. I'm so glad I was wrong.
Thanks everyone for participating.
Tricia

 

[sunshineray]

This is so true. In my opinion, the outrageous claims made throughout this case, and during this trial, did nothing to serve justice. There is much to be learned from a study of the social media impact on investigations, and I would think those in all aspects of LE, and the legal profession, would benefit from analyzing the pros and cons of tactics, techniques, and strategies.

And leaks

 

[Boxer]

That is good.

TMS was not in the courtroom for the verdict but it was related to them that the clock of RA's handcuffs occurred at 2:32.

2:32.

We've heard that time before.

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: The Verdict: Richard Allen Is Guilty

The jury delivered a verdict in the Delphi murders case today. Richard Allen is guilty. Support The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt...

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Fitting, sad.

 

[Hatch]

DBM

 

[mpnola]

I feel for these jurors. I think some, it not all, are going be retraumatized once they hear about all the evidence they weren't allowed to hear/see. I'd be livid if I were them. Maybe some of them will even join the appeal fight.

As always, JMO.

What evidence? All the evidence pointed to the murderer. The rest was just guessing ir making up fantasy fiction. Which doesn't make it real. I actually think the electric company wants to pay my bill for me. But if I don't pay it, I will see evidence, to the contrary. No matter what was presented, Richard did it. There is no evidence anyone else did it. He's not a victim. He's a murderer. No one else is responfor his electric bill.

 

[INfisherman]

I feel for these jurors. I think some, it not all, are going be retraumatized once they hear about all the evidence they weren't allowed to hear/see. I'd be livid if I were them. Maybe some of them will even join the appeal fight.

As always, JMO.

I doubt it. They saw through the smokescreens which were laid out. Once they see the rest, they’ll probably yawn & sleep like babies, unless the laughter keeps them awake.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

What evidence? All the evidence pointed to the murderer. The rest was just guessing ir making up fantasy fiction. Which doesn't make it real. I actually think the electric company wants to pay my bill for me. But if I don't pay it, I will see evidence, to the contrary. No matter what was presented, Richard did it. There is no evidence anyone else did it. He's not a victim. He's a murderer. No one else is responfor his electric bill.

I'm talking about the evidence they weren't allowed to see. <modsnip - not a suspect>

ETA: Like the FBI agent who wasn't allowed to remotely testify to, probably, impeach a witness. IMO, but the jurors will learn for themselves and come to their own conclusions and feelings about it.

All of these decisions guarantee an appeal, but RA may not live that long, sadly.

As always, JMO

 

[cherrybier]

I’m just not seeing how 45 X 4 = 130.

It's 2 x 65.

The 4 counts are essentially merged to 2.

Judge has to decide if the sentences will be concurrent or consecutive, hence the 130 max.

Moo.

 

[ClearAhead]

I can see why there was a report of him not having blue eyes. If that's even true comment. When I look at him his eyes do seem to get dark.....

No evidence was presented to indicate the eye colour of the killer of Libby and Abby. Indeed it turns out he did have blue eyes.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

It's 2 x 65.

The 4 counts are essentially merged to 2.

Judge has to decide if the sentences will be concurrent or consecutive, hence the 130 max.

Moo.

Thank you for clarifying. Much appreciated.

 

[sunshineray]

I’m not even talking about Odinism.

And the jury may well have come to the same verdict if the defense had been allowed to put on their case. But IMO it was reversible error to exclude it all whole cloth.

It was unfortunate for RA then that all his lawyers talked about was Odinism. There was found to be, after witnesses testified on both sides, no nexus, no connection to any of the SODDIs and the murders. There was only speculation, no factual evidence shown in court. JG ruled correctly by the law to deny it's admittance at trial. SCOIN will uphold that ruling, IMO

 

[MassGuy]

I feel for these jurors. I think some, it not all, are going be retraumatized once they hear about all the evidence they weren't allowed to hear/see. I'd be livid if I were them. Maybe some of them will even join the appeal fight.

As always, JMO.

No evidence removes Richard Allen from that location, at the right time, dressed like BG.

No evidence removes the matching round from between the girls' bodies.

No evidence removes Allen from saying that he drank some beer, went to the trail, abducted the girls intending to sexually assault them, was disrupted by a white van, slashed their throats with a boxcutter he stole from CVS, and covered their bodies with sticks.

No evidence removes Allen's lie about using his phone on the trail, or changing his timeline to match the evidence (a hallmark of the guilty.

This was by all accounts, an intelligent and thoughtful jury. They'd have to be a bunch of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging morons with an IQ of around room temperature, in order to lend any credence to anything as mind numbingly stupid as this cult nonsense.

 

[SouthEnd]

It was unfortunate for RA then that all his lawyers talked about was Odinism. There was found to be, after witnesses testified on both sides, no nexus, no connection to any of the SODDIs and the murders. There was only speculation, no factual evidence shown in court. JG ruled correctly by the law to deny it's admittance at trial. SCOIN will uphold that ruling, IMO

That's exactly what the MS concluded. That so little was done towards a NG verdict and that the efforts of the DT seemed to be going towards a Hung Jury. It was never RA could not have done this because of A, B or C, it was - voting guilty is voting for the evil snake of LE and for torture.

All MOO

 

[fred&edna]

Just a personal feeling that has no bearing on the laws... I hope the judge will determine the sentence only because I feel so bad for these jurors. (proud of them but still feel for them)

jmo

 

[Hatch]

Only discussing/throwing ideas around & not debating…..

I’m not so sure the intent was ever to let either of them live from the start. The gun & box cutter seem like overkill for only a SA. Maybe one day, RA will grow a set & come clean & many questions can be answered.

JMO

A Chris Watt confession would answer so much for the majority of WS members. I don’t see that scenario ever happening.

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t know that much about them but maybe EF or BH.

NO evidence was presented at the 3 day pretrial hearings that put either at the scene, at the time...unlike RA.

 

[INfisherman]

This was by all accounts, an intelligent and thoughtful jury. They'd have to be a bunch of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging morons with an IQ of around room temperature, in order to lend any credence to anything as mind numbingly stupid as this cult nonsense.

RSBBM

That’s giving them way, way, way too much credit, unless you meant temperature in degrees Celsius.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

Just a personal feeling that has no bearing on the laws... I hope the judge will determine the sentence only because I feel so bad for these jurors.

jmo

If the jury was allowed to sentence defendants, they probably wouldn't be allowed to go home for the holidays first. JMO

It's not how they do it in Indiana: Trial Jury Process - 3 Steps | Southern District of Indiana | United States District Court.

As it always is, this is my opinion.

 

[sunshineray]

I believe the motive was prob. SA, but RA was interrupted ?
Omo.

Yes exactly what RA said himself. He intended to rape but was interrupted. Now he pays for his wickedness.

 

[sunshineray]

I guess what I’m really saying is that I would have been much more confident in a guilty verdict if the jury had come to that decision after hearing all of the evidence that was improperly (IMO) excluded.

They did hear ALL the admissible evidence...the facts, not speculations.