GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Megnut]

RA no longer enjoys the presumption of innocence.

GUILTY finally caught up with him.

 

[Betty P]

Thinking of what you said about the possibility of RA wanting to plead guilty, but his defense may not have let him (or advised him not to)... I'm just throwing out a wild guess here, but I assume the lawyers stand to make a lot more money if they go thru with a trial rather than their client taking a plea, am I right?

That makes the whole thing look much much shadier on the part of the DT, doesn't it? I don't know a way around that conflict of interests though. The only way seems to be to always hire only ethical, morally upstanding attorneys, and I don't think we've figured out how to do that yet!

But really, it's nothing new or unusual. A similar conflict of interests, if it should be called that, is found in many professions and industries. For example, I've always been bothered by a couple in particular. One is very common to people who happen to not be automotively inclined, like me. So I really dread having to take my car in to a mechanic who knows a lot more than I do about my car mechanics, and who also stands to make more money, the more things he finds wrong with it!

Then another one is the dentist! I know I should be able to trust my dentist of all people, but there's just no getting around the fact that the more cavities he finds, the more money he makes, and who am I to know the difference?

So it's a pervasive conflict found in many different areas of life, simply because we pay people who know more about things that we know less about, combined with the fact of human nature that not all people are 100 percent ethical in all ways at all times, along with the fact that people like more money better than less money! No way around it that I can see, and RA's defense team going ahead with a trial possibly against their client's wishes or at least better judgment is just another example of it.

I've wondered why he didn't take a plea agreement. He confessed so many times, giving so many details only he and LE would know. It would have saved everyone a lot of stress and aggravation, including his own family. Was that his choice?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Also, I personally think the lawtubers who were in the courtroom have done an excellent job of bringing us detailed information that we can’t get anywhere else. It has not been easy for these people to uproot their lives for 2-3 weeks, sit through trial all day every day, and make a lengthy live presentation each night.

If they’re making money from their efforts and growing their followings, well they deserve it, so good for them! Some of the lawyers focus on different things, some have a prosecution leaning, others are more defense oriented, but they’re all valuable IMO I see lots of criticism about AB and LL but no criticism of the prosecutors or MS. They are ALL valuable in this discussion. IMO IMO IMO

I have no problem with differing opinions from people whether they are YouTubers or not.

A person making money off their opinion does give me pause because it makes me wonder if that opinion is based on facts and logic or rather a desire to make as much money as possible.

That's why I value your opinion here on Websleuths. It's clear it's your honest opinion that's not affected by monetary gain. JMO.

 

[oviedo]

I've wondered why he didn't take a plea agreement. He confessed so many times, giving so many details only he and LE would know. It would have saved everyone a lot of stress and aggravation, including his own.

I’m convinced because his defense team wanted him to go to trial - for the notoriety, the gimme funds and other reasons which may come to light later (book deals?)
JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

As we await sentencing, I have sadness. The adrenaline of the trial over, and now we are just left with two little girls in graves, and countless lives ruined.

Maybe some day we will better understand what drives these horrific acts of violence, and perhaps prevent some of them.

But today, all we have are two little girls in graves. So senseless, so profoundly sad.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[getthefax]

There must be something I'm missing then. Because at 1:24pm Indiana time Bob Segall posted this tweet. And he says he thinks a verdict was reached because attys and family were arriving.
Yet it sounds like RA's family was late per Judge. Idk I get very confused sometimes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856040428438446373

It had been announced that they would be reading the verdict at 3:00, as I remember it. We were all scrambling when they read it earlier than that. IDK? Maybe I’m misremembering (but if not, IMO, JG was being a bit petty here)

 

[Warwick7]

Have you seen anywhere that anyone came forward to identify the Bridge Guy? Besides LE and Prosecutors. Anyone? Like neighbors, family, co-workers? Anyone?

The Jury did.

 

[vls12345]

As we await sentencing, I have sadness. The adrenaline of the trial over, and now we are just left with two little girls in graves, and countless lives ruined.

Maybe some day we will better understand what drives these horrific acts of violence, and perhaps prevent some of them.

But today, all we have are two little girls in graves. So senseless, so profoundly sad.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Ditto. So many lives ruined. Grieving. Forever.

And for what? So an insecure man could indulge his secret little fantasy?

It's completely heart-rending.

 

[Warwick7]

Actually, he just stated he was there that day looking at the fish.

The Jury decided otherwise.

 

[Warwick7]

l would have confessed myself if I was being held in the same conditions he was being held.

He confessed and now is going to be be sentenced.

 

[Warwick7]

Ditto. So many lives ruined. Grieving. Forever.

And for what? So an insecure man could indulge his secret little fantasy?

It's completely heart-rending.

He ruined lives and cost the county tons of money.
He did say he was "selfish."

 

[ClearAhead]

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[Boxer]

Actually, he was held in solidary confinement in a prison for 15 months.

Segregation isnt "solitary," its seperate from the general population. This was for his own safety.

 

[Boxer]

I've wondered why he didn't take a plea agreement. He confessed so many times, giving so many details only he and LE would know. It would have saved everyone a lot of stress and aggravation, including his own family. Was that his choice?

His lawyers.

 

[Boxer]

l would have confessed myself if I was being held in the same conditions he was being held.

I doubt it. He had a lot of contact with safe people, just not those likely to kill him.

 

[Warwick7]

I've wondered why he didn't take a plea agreement. He confessed so many times, giving so many details only he and LE would know. It would have saved everyone a lot of stress and aggravation, including his own family. Was that his choice?

Great comment!!

 

[Warwick7]

It had been announced that they would be reading the verdict at 3:00, as I remember it. We were all scrambling when they read it earlier than that. IDK? Maybe I’m misremembering (but if not, IMO, JG was being a bit petty here)

Judge petty? I don't believe so.
Here are two members who set things straight for me.

Ah, but Judge Gull had a master plan.

Didn't care about the gallery, she needed counsel and family to remain on standby.

RA was returned to jail while media on the lawn were watching for his arrival.

And to pull that off, Judge Gull needed the verdict read, RA removed (if found guilty) safely -- and the only way to do that, quietly.

It was IMO supremely disrespectful of the Defense & Co to hold up the process, one they'd been ordered to uphold.

Judge Gull IMO took her oath seriously, ensuring a fair trial and protecting RA rights, including and especially his safety.

I think all along she planned, in the event of a guilty verdict, to wisk RA out of the area post haste.

JMO

Seems to me the attorneys and the families were expected inside the courtroom in advance of others and one of the defense attorney's and RA's family remained somewhere downstairs in the courthouse, and somebody had to go collect them when their absence prevented the Court from bringing in the jury. No doubt this frosted Judge Gull! Reportedly, once all were seated, delivering the verdict took less than 3 minutes.

 

[Megnut]

It had been announced that they would be reading the verdict at 3:00, as I remember it. We were all scrambling when they read it earlier than that. IDK? Maybe I’m misremembering (but if not, IMO, JG was being a bit petty here)

I think her number one concern was RA's safety, and she needed to get him away from the courthouse as swiftly as possible, regardless of the verdict, and this was a way to do that, before any kind of protest/outburst/riot could occur.

I think it was orchestrated. And wise, given the circumstances.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

I think her number one concern was RA's safety, and she needed to get him away from the courthouse as swiftly as possible, regardless of the verdict, and this was a way to do that, before any kind of protest/outburst/riot could occur.

I think it was orchestrated. And wise, given the circumstances.

JMO

Agreed, quite wise. She also may have not wanted RA supporters cheering in the presence of victims families.

 

[Willow Knight]

As the enhanced video is played, Abby says, “Is he right here?” followed by “Don’t leave me up here.” Libby then says, “See, this is the path.”

Liggett said Libby then whispered, “That be a gun.” She then says, “There’s no path here. We have to go down here.”

A man can then be heard saying, “Guys.” Libby says, “Hi,” and then the man says, “Down the hill.”

DNA and digital evidence have yet to link Allen to murders of Carroll County teens - Carroll County Comet

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MOO

My heart! So very, very sorry the families have to hear this. The torture they must be going through hearing those words from these girls. How does one ever get over this lifetime of pain?

It breaks me up even trying to imagine, the families are the ones that have been tortured.

Yes, it was THE DAY