GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[browneyes]

When is sentencing?

 

[Gemmie]

When is sentencing?

5 days before Christmas.

Allen will be sentenced on Dec. 20. He could face up to 130 years in prison.

Jury finds Richard Allen guilty on all counts in Delphi murders trial

Richard Allen, the man accused of killing two teenagers in Delphi, Indiana in 2017, has been found guilty on all four counts.

www.wlwt.com

 

[TTF14]

There does not appear to be any legal breaches of RA rights leading up to his trial.

This is definitely a matter of opinion. I respect yours. I just don't share it.

 

[FrostedGlass]

The law is the law.
If the laws are being followed and upheld then that's the way it is supposed to be.

The law isn't a belief system.
The judicial system is a justice and punishment system for bad people.

A deterrent for bad people to be good people and keeping the deplorable monsters/killers out of society.

There does not appear to be any legal breaches of RA rights leading up to his trial.

moo

The higher courts will decide if there have been any legal breaches of RA's rights. This judge has already breached his rights once, when she booted his attys off his case. MOO

 

[Warwick7]

The higher courts will decide if there have been any legal breaches of RA's rights. This judge has already breached his rights once, when she booted his attys off his case. MOO

Not a breach of RA's rights.
The Judge's decision was based on the fact that the defense team left their crime scene photos unsecured and allowed access by a person without clearance.
Major failure on the defenses part.

 

[TTF14]

Not a breach of RA's rights.
The Judge's decision was based on the fact that the defense team left their crime scene photos unsecured and allowed access by a person without clearance.
Major failure on the defenses part.

Well, the Supreme Court disagreed.

 

[Warwick7]

Well, the Supreme Court disagreed.

Not exactly, there is more to the story.

"In the opinion, Molter also cited the reasons that the Indiana Supreme Court refused to appoint a new special judge. Molter stressed that nothing in the record suggested Gull’s decision to remove Allen’s attorneys “emerged from bias or prejudice against Allen.” Gull said that she made the decision to protect his right to the effective assistance of counsel."
"Though she mistakenly hit defense counsel’s eject button instead of the case’s lockdown button, she was right to try to get the situation under control quickly and decisively,” the opinion read. “Her efforts did not reflect any bias or prejudice, and Allen doesn’t identify anything she has done that demonstrates she isn’t impartial."

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[INfisherman]

Not exactly, there is more to the story.

"In the opinion, Molter also cited the reasons that the Indiana Supreme Court refused to appoint a new special judge. Molter stressed that nothing in the record suggested Gull’s decision to remove Allen’s attorneys “emerged from bias or prejudice against Allen.” Gull said that she made the decision to protect his right to the effective assistance of counsel."
"Though she mistakenly hit defense counsel’s eject button instead of the case’s lockdown button, she was right to try to get the situation under control quickly and decisively,” the opinion read. “Her efforts did not reflect any bias or prejudice, and Allen doesn’t identify anything she has done that demonstrates she isn’t impartial."

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Not disagreeing with anyone.

As you kindly reminded me, he’s guilty from the hearings that really mattered. To borrow something of yours…

BAM?

 

[Warwick7]

Not disagreeing with anyone.

As you kindly reminded me, he’s guilty from the hearings that really mattered. To borrow something of yours…

BAM?

That's right BAM!!!!

 

[somequestions]

There are so many interesting questions regarding this case, even after the guilty verdict. Here is another one:

Lawyer Lee attended the trial. According to her reporting, during the interrogations Richard Allen mentioned the Mears parking entrance. He stated that the people that owned the Mears property (the Mears family?) did not want people parking there or alongside the road. This means Richard Allen knew that the Mears did not want people on their property. This makes sense. If the Mears entrance had cars parked there when Richard Allen arrived, he would then drive further down and park at the old CPS building.

What does not make sense is the statement by SC that she saw bridge guy at 3:57pm. It literally would have to be almost exactly at 3:57pm. If Richard Allen was walking along 300 N, it means that if Richard Allen wanted to stay off the Mears property he would not leave walking along 300 N until after he passed the Mears farm. What is the first building after passing the Mears Farm walking back towards the old CPS building? Hoosier Harvest Store.

In my opinion, this can only mean that SC saw Richard Allen between the Hoosier Harvest store and the Mears farm. This is maybe 5-10 seconds of driving on 300 N? Whether Richard Allen left the road to walk into the field between Mears farm and the Hoosier Harvest store at that point on 300 N is unclear, but if Richard Allen knew the Mears people did not want people walking on their property, then I find it unlikely he left 300 N before walking past the Mears farm so he could get past it before walking on the property of the Hoosier Harvest store to get around the surveillance camera. Richard Allen could have walked into the woods between 300 N and the Monon High Bridge trail path, but with no leaves on the trees, it would not provide him with a lot of cover. Then he walks back to his car that way. That is possible too.

 

[girlhasnoname]

He has survived almost 4 months in Cass Co. jail, which is the one that agreed to accept him way back in April 2023.

If it was all about his safety, what changed to motivate this judge to release him to Cass?

The jails or prisons aren't the safety issue...It's Richard Allen himself.

RA was a potential threat even to the Cass County jail employees with his behavior during trial. I wish Judge Gull had allowed his violent outburst that happened during trial caught on video to come in for the Prosecution. He is not the meek, mild man he pretends to be.

He's a convicted child murderer with an explosive temper, which led to the deaths of two innocent young girls, Abby and Libby. I can't wait until he's sentenced and forgotten about in prison. He's disgusting, his actions are disgusting and the way he left Abby & Libby are beyond disgusting.

I feel sorry for whatever prison he ends up in. I wouldn't clean him or his crap up, he could sit and rot in it. I feel RA is going to have a very bad time once the kid gloves comes off.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

The Defence Attorney on the Murdersheet Podcast this week felt Judge Gull was seeking to protect RAs rights in sacking the D for negligence. i tend to agree. she just got it wrong procedurally but not as to direction of travel.

It’s an interesting question as to whether RA could not use her on the record statements about negligent representation but the trouble is SCOIN already ruled on all this.

Bad choice by Rick IMO.

 

[INfisherman]

There are so many interesting questions regarding this case, even after the guilty verdict. Here is another one:

Lawyer Lee attended the trial. According to her reporting, during the interrogations Richard Allen mentioned the Mears parking entrance. He stated that the people that owned the Mears property (the Mears family?) did not want people parking there or alongside the road. This means Richard Allen knew that the Mears did not want people on their property. This makes sense. If the Mears entrance had cars parked there when Richard Allen arrived, he would then drive further down and park at the old CPS building.

What does not make sense is the statement by SC that she saw bridge guy at 3:57pm. It literally would have to be almost exactly at 3:57pm. If Richard Allen was walking along 300 N, it means that if Richard Allen wanted to stay off the Mears property he would not leave walking along 300 N until after he passed the Mears farm. What is the first building after passing the Mears Farm walking back towards the old CPS building? Hoosier Harvest Store.

In my opinion, this can only mean that SC saw Richard Allen between the Hoosier Harvest store and the Mears farm. This is maybe 5-10 seconds of driving on 300 N? Whether Richard Allen left the road to walk into the field between Mears farm and the Hoosier Harvest store at that point on 300 N is unclear, but if Richard Allen knew the Mears people did not want people walking on their property, then I find it unlikely he left 300 N before walking past the Mears farm so he could get past it before walking on the property of the Hoosier Harvest store to get around the surveillance camera. Richard Allen could have walked into the woods between 300 N and the Monon High Bridge trail path, but with no leaves on the trees, it would not provide him with a lot of cover. Then he walks back to his car that way. That is possible too.

Hi somequestions.

According to SC’s testimony, she saw BG walking west on the north side of 300N near the cemetery as she was heading east. This is before the Mears entrance (east of it, on the straightaway section). She testified to driving by this area 3-4 times but never testified to seeing BG again after the first encounter.

She testified that she saw “Bridge Guy” walking down County Road 300 North by the cemetery around 4 p.m. on Feb. 13 while she was driving by. He was hunched over and plodding along with his hands in his pockets.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-combative-testimony-from-another-bridge-guy-witness/

“He was on the northside, walking west on the driver’s side of the car,” she said. “I looked at him, but he did not make contact with me. I slowed down a little bit; I didn’t want to hit him”

Carbaugh said she visits the trail multiple times a day to walk her dog. On Feb. 13, 2017, she said she drove past the trails “three or four” times to see how busy it was. Around 4 p.m., she said she saw several people at the Mears Trailhead “looking stressed out.” This was after she saw the man walking along the side of the road.

Phone extractions shine light on timeline - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen entered the Carroll County Circuit Courtroom Wednesday, sat down at the Defense table, and opened a brown Gideon Bible. For more than 30 minutes, he read from the Bible as he waited for Judge Fran Gull to call the court into session. Indiana State Police analyzed 23 devices...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Respectfully, why would RA give 2 squats about trespassing onto Mears’ property after murdering 2 girls? He had just been seen covered in mud & blood by SC & potentially spooked for the 2nd time up to that point, with the first being BW returning home from work in the van just prior to the murders.

I do not believe RA knew about the HH camera, since he drove past it in his car during arrival but somehow wasn’t reported or testified as being seen on video when he was returning on foot after the murders. After the sighting by SC, RA had 2 choices from 300N, N/NW through the fields prior to Mears’ home, arcing around behind Mears’ & HH, coming out across but slightly S from the CPS or S/SW through the field west of the cemetery & along the tree lines. The southern route is riskier IMO because he’d have been much closer to people on the trails & the victim’s relatives were already gathering at the Mears entrance by 4PM, literally minutes after being seen by SC. The trails come NW & form a sort of pinch point as 300N bends from a W direction to NW direction as he’d have been traveling. Plus there are additional yards on that W/SW side of 300N after HH which would put him out in the open if the homeowner’s were present.

Google Maps screenshot showing cemetery on far right, south side of 300N (almost figure 8 shape). Mears’ is first home west of cemetery, on north side of 300N. HH is long, skinny bldg labeled as Delphi U-Store. CPS was on W side of 300N shortly after it turns to run due N; driveway on E side of 300N is pointing directly at old CPS entrance. Trails are skinny white line immediately S of 300N, running in a NW/SE direction. Mears entrance is the short arced trail running N/S across from their farm.


MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Here is the first one:

Motion Filed Emergency Motion to Modify Safekeeping Order Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 04/05/2023​

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Dated right after he started making his confessions to his Wife and Mother. Funny how this Dynamic Duo Defense didn't do one thing before then, they said he was acclimating, courteous and helpful in his own defense. They barely saw him in Westville, maybe two times, no more than three.

Why didn't the Defense get an independent Psych Eval if they were so concerned about RA's mental health in April? No, they couldn't do that and risk it becoming available to the Prosecution. Instead they began the crazy psychosis, photo session, and prisoner of war act of 6 weeks in an effort to cover up his many, many confessions and disturbing physical actions.

They couldn't be bothered to make that long, cumbersome trip where they had to do extra hard stuff to do in order to see THEIR CLIENT whom they claimed to so deeply care about they willing to represent him Pro Bono for all of 2 seconds. Pffffft.

They used RA to ride this case to potential fame and fortune along with their Due Process Gang and SM cranks. They are just as sickening as RA and made a mockery of the Judicial Process the entire time IMO. I'll be glad to see them all slither back to where they came from.

#JusticeCame4Abby&Libby

As always, JMO

EBM: Spelling

 

[girlhasnoname]

Must not be, since the Judge ordered his placement there.

Yes, and as we came to find out there were other pre trial detainees being held in IDOC. JMO

 

[Arkay]

I am going to wait until sentencing on December 20th. Since Richard Allen is now convicted, I wonder whether he will apologize or proclaim his innocence when he is allowed to speak? I think he should speak at this point, because why would you not take that opportunity if it does not affect your case? Maybe a lawyer could add more opinion about whether speaking at sentencing is a good or bad idea.

SBM.

IMO the time for RA to speak up for himself was AT the trial. If he had a compelling story to prove his innocence, it would be far more effective to try that gambit BEFORE the jury went to deliberate.

Why didn’t he speak then? That was the REAL opportunity to affect his case, before the verdict.

IMO he didn’t take the stand because either he couldn’t muster up enough of an exculpatory story, or his lawyers told him not to, for the same reason.

 

[somequestions]

Hi somequestions.

According to SC’s testimony, she saw BG walking west on the north side of 300N near the cemetery as she was heading east. This is before the Mears entrance (east of it, on the straightaway section). She testified to driving by this area 3-4 times but never testified to seeing BG again after the first encounter.

She testified that she saw “Bridge Guy” walking down County Road 300 North by the cemetery around 4 p.m. on Feb. 13 while she was driving by. He was hunched over and plodding along with his hands in his pockets.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-combative-testimony-from-another-bridge-guy-witness/

“He was on the northside, walking west on the driver’s side of the car,” she said. “I looked at him, but he did not make contact with me. I slowed down a little bit; I didn’t want to hit him”

Carbaugh said she visits the trail multiple times a day to walk her dog. On Feb. 13, 2017, she said she drove past the trails “three or four” times to see how busy it was. Around 4 p.m., she said she saw several people at the Mears Trailhead “looking stressed out.” This was after she saw the man walking along the side of the road.

Phone extractions shine light on timeline - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen entered the Carroll County Circuit Courtroom Wednesday, sat down at the Defense table, and opened a brown Gideon Bible. For more than 30 minutes, he read from the Bible as he waited for Judge Fran Gull to call the court into session. Indiana State Police analyzed 23 devices...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Respectfully, why would RA give 2 squats about trespassing onto Mears’ property after murdering 2 girls? He had just been seen covered in mud & blood by SC & potentially spooked for the 2nd time up to that point, with the first being BW returning home from work in the van just prior to the murders.

I do not believe RA knew about the HH camera, since he drove past it in his car during arrival but somehow wasn’t reported or testified as being seen on video when he was returning on foot after the murders. After the sighting by SC, RA had 2 choices from 300N, N/NW through the fields prior to Mears’ home, arcing around behind Mears’ & HH, coming out across but slightly S from the CPS or S/SW through the field west of the cemetery & along the tree lines. The southern route is riskier IMO because he’d have been much closer to people on the trails & the victim’s relatives were already gathering at the Mears entrance by 4PM, literally minutes after being seen by SC. The trails come NW & form a sort of pinch point as 300N bends from a W direction to NW direction as he’d have been traveling. Plus there are additional yards on that W/SW side of 300N after HH which would put him out in the open if the homeowner’s were present.

Google Maps screenshot showing cemetery on far right, south side of 300N (almost figure 8 shape). Mears’ is first home west of cemetery, on north side of 300N. HH is long, skinny bldg labeled as Delphi U-Store. CPS was on W side of 300N shortly after it turns to run due N; driveway on E side of 300N is pointing directly at old CPS entrance. Trails are skinny white line immediately S of 300N, running in a NW/SE direction. Mears entrance is the short arced trail running N/S across from their farm.
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MOO

If SC passed Richard Allen around the cemetery then the theory would be that shortly after this sighting by SC, Richard Allen entered the farm property before the Mears farm and did a large half circle walk going behind both the Mears farm property and behind Hoosier Harvest Store(Delphi U Store) before returning to walking along the north side of 300 N.

I think it all depends on how each person looks at trespassing. The only difference I am pointing out is that I think he would have wanted to walk on 300 N a little further to get past Mears property first if he knew Mears family do not even want people parking there. The other option is walking into the woods along the Monon High Trail path. The only reason I think walking into the woods is a bad idea is that the woods between 300 N and the trail path seem so narrow with no leaves on the trees that I still think people walking on the trail path would have seen him.

Something had to scare bridge guy off 300 N if he is not on surveillance video walking past the Hoosier Harvest store surveillance camera.

 

[somequestions]

The Defence Attorney on the Murdersheet Podcast this week felt Judge Gull was seeking to protect RAs rights in sacking the D for negligence. i tend to agree. she just got it wrong procedurally but not as to direction of travel.

It’s an interesting question as to whether RA could not use her on the record statements about negligent representation but the trouble is SCOIN already ruled on all this.

Bad choice by Rick IMO.

But still a choice(in my opinion).

If Richard Allen wants to hire the worst attorney in the world, isn't that his right to do so? If he wants to make an argument for discussion, is that not also his right to do so?

 

[FrostedGlass]

The words "negligent attorneys" has been tossed around a lot. If anyone finds where these two attorneys have been found guilty of negligence and/or broke the rules of professional misconduct, please post the findings.

This link shows both attorneys are active and in good standing:

https://courtapps.in.gov/rollofattorneys

 

[INfisherman]

If SC passed Richard Allen around the cemetery then the theory would be that shortly after this sighting by SC, Richard Allen entered the farm property before the Mears farm and did a large half circle walk going behind both the Mears farm property and behind Hoosier Harvest Store(Delphi U Store) before returning to walking along the north side of 300 N.

I think it all depends on how each person looks at trespassing. The only difference I am pointing out is that I think he would have wanted to walk on 300 N a little further to get past Mears property first if he knew Mears family do not even want people parking there. The other option is walking into the woods along the Monon High Trail path. The only reason I think walking into the woods is a bad idea is that the woods between 300 N and the trail path seem so narrow with no leaves on the trees that I still think people walking on the trail path would have seen him.

Something had to scare bridge guy off 300 N if he is not on surveillance video walking past the Hoosier Harvest store surveillance camera.

All JMO. Neither route is an easy call, as both have potential issues or risks.

The something scaring him was probably SC passing by. If he hid & waited he may have seen her come right back & ran to wherever he eventually went.

The northern fields would be potentially muddy & out in the open (larger, more wide open fields than the southern field) with a wooded backdrop further away (off the map to the N there is another tree line).

The southern fields are the fastest route to cover (tree line) but there is the Mears entrance to the trails & pinch point of the trails of which to be concerned. Further west are more open yards after HH. If there is a deep ditch along that bend, he possibly could have avoided the HH camera but that would make him quite lucky to avoid being seen by anyone else, including SC who was passing through multiple times.

I vote north. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve driven by open fields & not given it a thought to scan across them while driving. I could see that stretch being busier than one may think for a county road - access to the trails & an exit at SR25 as well. Main St. also comes from downtown Delphi near the SR25 exit.

Google Maps image with small red dot where CPS parking lot was & green dot at SR25 exit at Main Street. 300N loops around & ends SW of the green dot (Old SR25).