GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[Cedars]

Second thing I noted was he mentioned KK and he said it was possible that Abby and Libby were there that day because they were communicating with KK.. but that doesn't mean he had any part in their murder. I know many of us have wondered about that connection. He said they could have been there because of the communications with KK.. but they had nothing to connect him to Delphi or the crime. Unfortunate that it may really be a coincidence that RA was there looking for someone to harm and the girls may have been there thinking a young cute guy they talked to online might be there too.

IDK. I remember from the trial the 3 girls that saw RA knew Abby and were actually messaging with her as they left/she arrived. I was wondering whether A&L saw on social media that these girls were out at the park and wanted to join them, but got there too late.

Just speculating.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

In the interview Holeman did on MS he stated he feels the photos were intenionally released. He also spoke about the way the D team circumvented the gag order and released many things in the memos and via other ways.. (as in certain podcasters that were the D team mouthpiece)

Everybody seemed to understand what the defense was up to. I never understood why JG didn’t tighten up the gag order. I don’t even know if that was possible.
No matter, just one more example of RA’s disgraceful, unethical defense….and yes, Jennifer Auger….that includes you.

 

[justtrish]

Many of us felt similarly that defense had very strategically written their motions with the public and potential jurors in mind to push a false narrative and circumvent that gag order. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise. I am very glad B and R are no longer involved in this case and that RA will have hopefully better counsel through his public defender in his anticipated appeal.

Oh for sure! It was great to hear a well respected LEO that has all the info in this case state what many of us have been saying for months.. He also said the Odin angle was NOT a possibility and that Odinism was not even what these possible POIs were involved in, but it sounded good and people bought into it. Good upstanding LEOs being accused of things when they were all working so hard to find this killer. I am glad they all got justice and none of those awful LIES were allowed in. There is a reason and he said he accepts that he is scrutinized for his job and that errors were made, but NONE of those officers are involved in this crime or in any Odinism and none of them were covering up for a killer.

Sad what some people will believe when a killer of 2 girls is being pushed as the "victim" in a case that HE caused.

 

[justtrish]

Yeah, I don't think many people believed it was anything but purposeful. At best, I could believe profound incompetence, but I thought that was unlikely.

Naked pictures of murdered children, on the internet, which is forever.

MOO

Yeah leaving those photos out in your office is ridiculous.. shows how little they really thought of the victims. I call bull that this would be normal behavior. I mean brutally murdered and one was naked.. why are those photos laying out in your office in the first place? Of all the evidence in this case, THAT is what was out when someone just happened to be in the office to just happen to take photos of them? RIGHT

 

[iamshadow21]

Yeah leaving those photos out in your office is ridiculous.. shows how little they really though of the victims. I call bull that this would be normal behavior. I mean brutally murdered and one was naked.. why are those photos laying out in your office in the first place? Of all the evidence in this case, THAT is what was out when someone just happened to be in the office to just happen to take photos of them? RIGHT

Yeah. I imagine it was this kind of situation.

"I'm just going to get a cup of coffee, I expect I'll be back in exactly ten minutes."

MOO

 

[tlcya]

Yeah leaving those photos out in your office is ridiculous.. shows how little they really thought of the victims. I call bull that this would be normal behavior. I mean brutally murdered and one was naked.. why are those photos laying out in your office in the first place? Of all the evidence in this case, THAT is what was out when someone just happened to be in the office to just happen to take photos of them? RIGHT

having worked in law firms large and small for decades, I can tell you that is not in any way shape or form normal to leave such items out in plain view when you aren't there. Reportedly they were in a conference room that "former" employee Mitch Westerman was allowed unsupervised access to.

The quotes around former tell you what I think of that ridiculous story. I think MW was still in their employ and was doing exactly what Badlwin and Rozzi expected of him.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

 

[FromGermany1]

I think MW was still in their employ and was doing exactly what Badlwin and Rozzi expected of him.

bbm
I agree. Exactly that!

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder how 'he' is faring in his new, old home Westville? You don't hear hardly anything reported about him in MSM anymore and much, much less even on SM and YT. That's a good thing IMO.

Let 2025 be the Year of Recovery for all of those affected by his evil actions.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

having worked in law firms large and small for decades, I can tell you that is not in any way shape or form normal to leave such items out in plain view when you aren't there. Reportedly they were in a conference room that "former" employee Mitch Westerman was allowed unsupervised access to.

The quotes around former tell you what I think of that ridiculous story. I think MW was still in their employ and was doing exactly what Badlwin and Rozzi expected of him.

Agree. Failure to secure confidential case material? Doubt it - more like a way to leak with some "plausible deniability."

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

having worked in law firms large and small for decades, I can tell you that is not in any way shape or form normal to leave such items out in plain view when you aren't there. Reportedly they were in a conference room that "former" employee Mitch Westerman was allowed unsupervised access to.

The quotes around former tell you what I think of that ridiculous story. I think MW was still in their employ and was doing exactly what Badlwin and Rozzi expected of him.

Yikes @tlcya …… not sure how I seemed to have missed about the pictures having been available and released. SMH. Yes, call me late on that.

It’s probably been said earlier, so apologies if once more…… but based on the disclosure seems IMO a clear attempt to prejudice the case - pre-trial. Unbelievable misconduct. And wasn’t there a gag order in place in this case IIRC? I best stop here.

Have any of the attorneys involved been disbarred yet? If not, wonder why not? And has the firm been sanctioned or otherwise affected? Again, I best stop here. MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Yikes @tlcya …… not sure how I seemed to have missed about the pictures having been available and released. SMH. Yes, call me late on that.

It’s probably been said earlier, so apologies if once more…… but based on the disclosure seems IMO a clear attempt to prejudice the case - pre-trial. Unbelievable misconduct. And wasn’t there a gag order in place in this case IIRC? I best stop here.

Have any of the attorneys involved been disbarred yet? If not, wonder why not? And has the firm been sanctioned or otherwise affected? Again, I best stop here. MOO

I think JG referred it all on to Indiana’s judicial review whatever.
I guess they have the power to discipline and disbar them.
They certainly should be disbarred.

 

[Boxer]

New ad:

Want the max!
Call Baldwin and Rozzi.

 

[INfisherman]

Agree. Failure to secure confidential case material? Doubt it - more like a way to leak with some "plausible deniability."

That’s exactly what it was & why it was MW. He had no history & they knew he’d be eligible for a diversion program if caught. Plea deals.

New ad:

Want the max!
Call Baldwin and Rozzi.

Lots of recent ads listing Norse pagan clowns for hire in local paper.

 

[INfisherman]

Yikes @tlcya …… not sure how I seemed to have missed about the pictures having been available and released. SMH. Yes, call me late on that.

It’s probably been said earlier, so apologies if once more…… but based on the disclosure seems IMO a clear attempt to prejudice the case - pre-trial. Unbelievable misconduct. And wasn’t there a gag order in place in this case IIRC? I best stop here.

Have any of the attorneys involved been disbarred yet? If not, wonder why not? And has the firm been sanctioned or otherwise affected? Again, I best stop here. MOO

That occurred back when JG tried to have the clown show permanently shut down & it went before the SCOIN. Team bozo brought in several other attorneys to state they held similar types of "war rooms" <insert eye roll here>.

Not much came of it all, unfortunately. I’m sure if any security cameras were around they malfunctioned that day or what have you. <shrugs> No proof, what are you gonna do? No one seems interested in digging into anything too deep in the media, at least now, but maybe in the near future, with any luck.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

I think Gull had definitely wised up by the time of the contempt hearing.

It was of course obvious that DH was lying about MW being a 'trusted consultant" who also was an old friend who stopped by and snookered AB. It was especially notable that neither MW nor AB gave evidence about what MWs role actually was. We know there was some police report where AB gave some detail that the Judge saw, but we don't know what was in it.

What really annoyed me was DH claimed the messages from MWs icloud which demonstrated how they were leaking to the media were "work product" - so then when the prosecution noted that if it was work product, then what was MWs role. DH countered that his mere submissions could not actually be used as evidence that MW was a consultant. So while that is true, it did annoy me that he had it both ways in the hearing.

Of course the Judge saw right through it, when she noted the obvious contradiction in her ruling, but I think she was wise to just let it go. She knew their game at that point, and so did the state.

I was glad that Holeman called them out on it though.

MOO

 

[sunspun]

So what did the Defense stand to gain from leaking the crime scene photos? I don't understand how it helps in their defense strategy on this case. Or did they not hope to help their case at all with this leak? Was it done purely for whatever benefits they might receive on social media by posting these taboo, confidential, "exclusive" pics? And weren't there 2 people who were guilty of distributing the photos online? One was charged and put in that diversion program or whatever it was, but what about the other one, if there were indeed two different people? I thought there was another guy and that he committed suicide over this. But am I maybe mixing this up with details from another case??

 

[snooptroop88]

So what did the Defense stand to gain from leaking the crime scene photos? I don't understand how it helps in their defense strategy on this case. Or did they not hope to help their case at all with this leak? Was it done purely for whatever benefits they might receive on social media by posting these taboo, confidential, "exclusive" pics? And weren't there 2 people who were guilty of distributing the photos online? One was charged and put in that diversion program or whatever it was, but what about the other one, if there were indeed two different people? I thought there was another guy and that he committed suicide over this. But am I maybe mixing this up with details from another case??

I do really think the D could have felt they would benefit from the leak. At the time it occurred, they'd reached something of a zenith in terms of media frenzy with their "Odinite" plot theory. They'd found an audience. They may have felt (pure speculation) that viewers in tune with their conspiracy would be grasping at the photos looking for clues and that the D and their client would be viewed as victims of corruption and oppression, trying desperately to "reach the masses" with "the truth." It's jmo, but I felt at many points like they played this game.

Whether the leak was intentional, I have no idea, I would continue to hope not. The fact that the leak rebounded against the D and provided no benefit-- I wouldn't give the D credit because I'm sure they wouldn't have anticipated that result.

 

[INfisherman]

So what did the Defense stand to gain from leaking the crime scene photos? I don't understand how it helps in their defense strategy on this case. Or did they not hope to help their case at all with this leak? Was it done purely for whatever benefits they might receive on social media by posting these taboo, confidential, "exclusive" pics? And weren't there 2 people who were guilty of distributing the photos online? One was charged and put in that diversion program or whatever it was, but what about the other one, if there were indeed two different people? I thought there was another guy and that he committed suicide over this. But am I maybe mixing this up with details from another case??

Another thought might be tainting the pool of potential jurors & further fuel the Odinism theory, hoping to get lucky & have some dishonest jurors who wouldn’t admit to have seen the photos prior to trial & agreeing the scene looked like the staged scene of a ritual or sacrifice.

We also do not know how many photos were leaked compared to how many there actually were. Limiting the whole story might paint a different picture in some people’s minds, especially if it appears as if little blood is at the scene from those photos, which leans towards what the defense was implying, that the girls were killed elsewhere, throughout the actual trial (mentioning sticks in BWs garage, witness saw a man by SE end of bridge while she was getting her mail, the headphones being plugged into LGs phone).

Personally, I feel they knew from day one they didn’t have any way of removing RA from that bridge & they were willing to do anything & everything to paint a different picture & they did just that, including leaking of the images. Had they not gotten caught, more evidence would have eventually appeared on the internet. I think they were doing everything they could to delay the trial &/or get JG removed somehow by trying to turn it into a complete circus in typical clown fashion.

MOO

 

[tlcya]

So what did the Defense stand to gain from leaking the crime scene photos? I don't understand how it helps in their defense strategy on this case. Or did they not hope to help their case at all with this leak? Was it done purely for whatever benefits they might receive on social media by posting these taboo, confidential, "exclusive" pics? And weren't there 2 people who were guilty of distributing the photos online? One was charged and put in that diversion program or whatever it was, but what about the other one, if there were indeed two different people? I thought there was another guy and that he committed suicide over this. But am I maybe mixing this up with details from another case??

It helped prop up their strawman theory of Odinists out in the woods performing virgin sacrifices. They wanted to show the crime scene to the public at large to stoke the flames of outrage so they could try to support their claim that Odinists and some larger conspiracy of having framed their client. The leaked photos came out (October 2023) just after their first fanciful farcical Franks motion was filed (September 2023). Worked pretty well, at least until it didn't. MOO

ETA I think they wanted the public to "see" the alleged Rune on the tree and the "purposefully" (According to them) arranged sticks and branches.