GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[StarryStarryNight]

I want to know that, too.

I listened to the recent "Murder Sheet" episode and they brought up the video that the prosecution strongly wanted admitted and the defense strongly wanted blocked. They stated that the video showed RA snapping and behaving violently, making throat slitting motions, and then calmly settling down.

That makes me think the theory that someone on the trail made a comment to or about him that caused him to snap is realistic. He is a small, small man.

<Sadly, NYE is the one holiday I don't have Woodstock themed photos for>

I never really thought the killer was triggered by something he heard on the trail.
At the trial, testimony about one of RA’s confessions, indicated RA, himself, said he was out looking for a woman to rape. I think that is exactly why he was there and exactly what he attempted to do.
The video, I think, shows mostly that RA can completely lose control and has very violent tendencies. That I think is what the prosecution wanted the jury to see…a stark contrast to the meek, wimpy, put-upon persona the defense tried to have RA portray during the trial.

 

[Vaderman]

I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to TMS interviews with Holeman, but in Part 2 they asked him what that was about. Holeman said RA went from 0 to 100 screaming out during a break, banging his head, and making slicing motions to his throat. Then he calmed down fairly quickly.

Holeman also said he observed him writing sticky notes to his attorneys and then eating them. WTH? Does the little man have an appetite for pulp or what? Xylophagia is a condition involving the consumption of paper and a form of eating disorder known as pica.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Lieutenant Jerry Holeman: Part Two

moo

I thought I'd heard him mention RA eating the sticky notes during the trial, but I thought I misheard/misunderstood. It seemed so outlandish that I was certain I just misunderstood. I'm surprised this was the first mention of that behavior during the trial.

 

[al66pine]

RA's Atty's & KA?

Who knows what goes through anyone’s mind, particularly these folks, who are constantly around their chosen attorneys & their advocates like BM & EM. I’d like to hope she does but I believe she’s still in denial, especially with her new besties hanging around whispering things into her ear as they simultaneously reach into her pocketbook.
MOO

@INfisherman IDK what is going thru KA's head either.

Is ^ post is saying her new besties are RA's DEFENSE atty's & advocates? Or does KA have other "chosen attorneys?"
Yes, atty's may be whispering in her ear.

But if any atty's are reaching into her pocket now, seems they'd find it empty at least ATM. ICBW, as I've missed much coverage.

What would fill her pocket in the future? Anyone? TiA.

 

[tlcya]

I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to TMS interviews with Holeman, but in Part 2 they asked him what that was about. Holeman said RA went from 0 to 100 screaming out during a break, banging his head, and making slicing motions to his throat. Then he calmed down fairly quickly.

Holeman also said he observed him writing sticky notes to his attorneys and then eating them. WTH? Does the little man have an appetite for pulp or what? Xylophagia is a condition involving the consumption of paper and a form of eating disorder known as pica.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Lieutenant Jerry Holeman: Part Two

moo

I think him eating the postit notes after showing to his attorney are indicative of a paranoid man who thought anybody cared what he was saying to his attorneys on those notes. Main character syndrome, for which I blame his counsel. They've spent the last several years convincing him he was the subject of a massive conspiracy, involving hundreds of people in power so of course he thought everybody wanted to read what he was writing and that was his way of ensuring nobody could. Rather pathetic but it is who RA is. IMO a pathetic small angry little man who resents females and the power they seem to have over him.

 

[INfisherman]

RA's Atty's & KA?

@INfisherman IDK what is going thru KA's head either.

Is ^ post is saying her new besties are RA's DEFENSE atty's & advocates? Or does KA have other "chosen attorneys?"
Yes, atty's may be whispering in her ear.

But if any atty's are reaching into her pocket now, seems they'd find it empty at least ATM. ICBW, as I've missed much coverage.

What would fill her pocket in the future? Anyone? TiA.

The besties would be her advocates, mainly BM & EM & that’s only based on their own words at this point. The reaching into her pocket is utter speculation but wouldn’t surprise me one bit as those folks have demonstrated to me they have little to no morals.

I’m not going to speculate on what may or may not fill her pockets down the road, out of respect for the victims & their families.

MOO

 

[schooling]

If my significant other told me they were somewhere specific. And then later a video was released featuring a 'unidentified person' at that location. I'd recognize the build. I'd recognize the gait. I'd recognize the clothing. I'd recognize the mannerisms. I'd be able to do this regardless of how short, blurry, grainy, low resolution the video was. JMO

Any doubt in my mind would be alleviated by the fact that they admitted that they were there.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, IMO, KA knows it was RA in that video. Knew it was RA in that video in 2017, IMO. But also knew that RA had visited law enforcement and was apparently (which is the way I'd likely interpret it, too) cleared as he heard nothing for a number of years. Imagine sitting with that cognitive dissonance.

IMO, I would be surprised if no one else in Delphi speculated that it was RA in that video. And I'd be equally surprised if RA hadn't shared with a number of people that he was 'cleared' by LE. JMO

MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to TMS interviews with Holeman, but in Part 2 they asked him what that was about. Holeman said RA went from 0 to 100 screaming out during a break, banging his head, and making slicing motions to his throat. Then he calmed down fairly quickly.

Holeman also said he observed him writing sticky notes to his attorneys and then eating them. WTH? Does the little man have an appetite for pulp or what? Xylophagia is a condition involving the consumption of paper and a form of eating disorder known as pica.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Lieutenant Jerry Holeman: Part Two

moo

Yes I did listen to TMS's Holeman interviews. I want to see it on youtube, so it's there for all to see the "fragile egg". He showed his true colors minus any ominous Odinist guards...to my knowledge. It should be shown to all.
AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

RA's Atty's & KA?

@INfisherman IDK what is going thru KA's head either.

Is ^ post is saying her new besties are RA's DEFENSE atty's & advocates? Or does KA have other "chosen attorneys?"
Yes, atty's may be whispering in her ear.

But if any atty's are reaching into her pocket now, seems they'd find it empty at least ATM. ICBW, as I've missed much coverage.

What would fill her pocket in the future? Anyone? TiA.

Books, magazine articles, movies, Netflix series?

 

[sunshineray]

I think him eating the postit notes after showing to his attorney are indicative of a paranoid man who thought anybody cared what he was saying to his attorneys on those notes. Main character syndrome, for which I blame his counsel. They've spent the last several years convincing him he was the subject of a massive conspiracy, involving hundreds of people in power so of course he thought everybody wanted to read what he was writing and that was his way of ensuring nobody could. Rather pathetic but it is who RA is. IMO a pathetic small angry little man who resents females and the power they seem to have over him.

Or maybe he's not been getting enough roughage in his diet and his movements were lacking? Just a thought.

 

[Boxer]

I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to TMS interviews with Holeman, but in Part 2 they asked him what that was about. Holeman said RA went from 0 to 100 screaming out during a break, banging his head, and making slicing motions to his throat. Then he calmed down fairly quickly.

Holeman also said he observed him writing sticky notes to his attorneys and then eating them. WTH? Does the little man have an appetite for pulp or what? Xylophagia is a condition involving the consumption of paper and a form of eating disorder known as pica.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Lieutenant Jerry Holeman: Part Two

moo

MOO I think RA fancies the eating of his notes to be Mission Impossible smart spy craft.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I never really thought the killer was triggered by something he heard on the trail.
At the trial, testimony about one of RA’s confessions, indicated RA, himself, said he was out looking for a woman to rape. I think that is exactly why he was there and exactly what he attempted to do.
The video, I think, shows mostly that RA can completely lose control and has very violent tendencies. That I think is what the prosecution wanted the jury to see…a stark contrast to the meek, wimpy, put-upon persona the defense tried to have RA portray during the trial.

Yes, the 'fragile egg' child killer. He seemed to be living his life just fine in the 5+ years after the murders while hiding in plain sight.

MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

Yes, the 'fragile egg' child killer. He seemed to be living his life just fine in the 5+ years after the murders while hiding in plain sight.

MOO

I don't remember the times, when he did, but he had some adventurous trips into lovely nature with his wife. Does he know, that I can't look at trails and trees (and bridges) now since February 2017 without thinking auf mourning and two dead girls?
Did he think of his future rape and murder, when he was wandering with KA through a similar area like MHB? IMO, he did.

 

[ClearAhead]

I want to know what happened the morning of the Feb 13th and what put RA on that bridge? Was it an argument with his family, a drunken freak out, did he know Abby and Libby might be there following them somehow on SM? Why???

Great question @Vaderman <I'm waiting on the NYE outfit lol>

My question too, for what reason did RA drive to see his mother at Mexico, IN that morning, then instead of going out for lunch with her, bought and guzzled beer and went to the Delphi trails toting a gun and a knife?

 

[INfisherman]

Does he know, that I can't look at trails and trees (and bridges) now since February 2017 without thinking auf mourning and two dead girls?

RSBMFF

Respectfully, he wins but only if you allow it. Don’t let him win. Think of the girls & how much they would enjoy seeing what you see. Let them see through your eyes going forward.

JMO

 

[rebelchild]

For anyone interested, Lauren from Hidden True Crime has a video uploaded on youtube of an interview with Lt Jerry Holmes. I wasn't sure if I was able to post a link or if it has already been shared and I missed it.

 

[mrjitty]

For anyone interested, Lauren from Hidden True Crime has a video uploaded on youtube of an interview with Lt Jerry Holmes. I wasn't sure if I was able to post a link or if it has already been shared and I missed it.

It’s excellent and the discussion touches on the ethics discussion we’ve been having here!

 

[Willow Knight]

I want to know that, too.

They stated that the video showed RA snapping and behaving violently, making throat slitting motions, and then calmly settling down.

RSBM

My top wish. I want this out so bad, so bad. Tired of the fragile egg image. Let us see the real child killer. Since it was never shown in trial, I wonder if it will ever be available to the public.

 

[Willow Knight]

RA's Atty's & KA?

@INfisherman IDK what is going thru KA's head either.

But if any atty's are reaching into her pocket now, seems they'd find it empty at least ATM. ICBW, as I've missed much coverage.

RSBM

The child killer had a public defender. His spouse sold the home on 8/2/23 for $255,000

1967 N Whiteman Dr, Delphi, IN 46923 | Zillow

1967 N Whiteman Dr, Delphi IN, is a Single Family home that contains 1575 sq ft and was built in 1999.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $255,000 in August 2023. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $269,400, which has increased by $881 in the last 30 days.The...

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[flashy09]

I don't remember the times, when he did, but he had some adventurous trips into lovely nature with his wife. Does he know, that I can't look at trails and trees (and bridges) now since February 2017 without thinking auf mourning and two dead girls?
Did he think of his future rape and murder, when he was wandering with KA through a similar area like MHB? IMO, he did.

This post hits home for me because RA ruined trails and solo nature for me. I even get nervous on my own property. I also took my young girls to the exact place he vacationed with KA after the murders and actually did that trip alone....I nearly overlapped with him. He is constant reminder that evil is out there where you least expect it and I grapple with giving my kids any sort of freedom and making memories because of him.

 

[legalmomma]

Books, magazine articles, movies, Netflix series?

KA book will be titled “If my husband did it….”