GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[Boxer]

RA's Atty's & KA?

@INfisherman IDK what is going thru KA's head either.

Is ^ post is saying her new besties are RA's DEFENSE atty's & advocates? Or does KA have other "chosen attorneys?"
Yes, atty's may be whispering in her ear.

But if any atty's are reaching into her pocket now, seems they'd find it empty at least ATM. ICBW, as I've missed much coverage.

What would fill her pocket in the future? Anyone? TiA.

MOO they are also probably flattering and flirting with her. Manipulation has different looks for different people.

 

[INfisherman]

MOO they are also probably flattering and flirting with her. Manipulation has different looks for different people.

By now she should be well versed in manipulation. As Lt. Holeman points out, her husband was a master at it & he now has her surrounded by those cut from the same cloth.

JMO

 

[justtrish]

I'm listening to MS's interview with Holeman and it's really good.

Things I'm noting so far..

He talked about the sketches and releasing that second sketch. He said they were ALWAYS the same person. He felt that second sketch was a younger version of the first one. Different witnesses see people from different angles and lighting and their own age and experiences will sway their opinions on age of the person they are seeing. I have always thought they were the same person (as in police felt both sketches were the same guy). He said the tips had slowed down and they wanted to generate new tips so they decided to release the second sketch.

Side note I think them saying it was a different guy in the press conference was solely to get people to call in. If they said this is the same guy, but a different sketch then many people would think well the guy I think looks like sketch 2, but not sketch one so maybe they don't call in at all. People got so hung up on those sketches.

Second thing I noted was he mentioned KK and he said it was possible that Abby and Libby were there that day because they were communicating with KK.. but that doesn't mean he had any part in their murder. I know many of us have wondered about that connection. He said they could have been there because of the communications with KK.. but they had nothing to connect him to Delphi or the crime. Unfortunate that it may really be a coincidence that RA was there looking for someone to harm and the girls may have been there thinking a young cute guy they talked to online might be there too.

 

[Tealgrove]

What are the odds of coming up against two child predators within days?

Mind boggling.

 

[justtrish]

Also, very interesting they asked him about the parts of the interview that were cut out and not played for the jury.

He said he wanted to make it clear he was not yelling at RA the entire time. The first hour and a half they just talked calmly. He said he also likes to match the person he is interview so if they are calm and not cursing, then he tries to keep it calm and he won't curse. He said it's an interview tactic to get them to keep talking and to get responses. So it sounds like when RA got heated and started yelling and cursing, is when Holeman did also. It seemed from coverage sometimes that it was poor RA being screamed at by Holeman and how wrong he was treated, but that wasn't the case. RA became heated and Holeman also noted that RA told him to just arrest him several times.. he said he's never had an innocent person do that once let alone several times in an interview.

 

[Tealgrove]

Has an appeal been filed yet? I know they have 30 days from sentencing.

Just wondering.

 

[justtrish]

What are the odds of coming up against two child predators within days?

Mind boggling.

It is disturbing and I think as a parent it makes me listen a little more when my kids are talking and I ask more questions.. (I only have one underage child now and 3 adult children, but I still talk to them all about it too. Never too old to hear momma warnings and advice. lol) and talk more about the types of people that might seem harmless online, but aren't. We often talk about the stranger danger in real life situations, but it's much harder to "see" online people as dangerous when we feel like they are far away and they don't know who we are. I'm sure we'd all be horrified at just how many people are online pretending to be someone else. Many of them have no intention to meet up with us or harm us, but we never know I guess, even on WS. I'm sure there are plenty of people who aren't who they say they are. Many criminals may be here watching their own threads or inserting their opinions.

 

[tlcya]

I don't know that I would describe RA as a child predator. I think he was simply preying on children THAT day because they were the most convenient victims available. I would still like to understand why THAT day and THOSE victims. I think it had more to do with opportunity than the fact they were children or his "type" per say. JMO

 

[justtrish]

I don't know that I would describe RA as a child predator. I think he was simply preying on children THAT day because they were the most convenient victims available. I would still like to understand why THAT day and THOSE victims. I think it had more to do with opportunity than the fact they were children or his "type" per say. JMO

I am in no way blaming his mother or sister by what I am about to say.. RA and RA alone is responsible for RA's behavior..

I do really want to know how that visit when that day with his family. He left and chose not to have lunch with them and it seems he left knowing what he was going to do. He grabbed some beers, when home to get his coat.. and I think his gun (unless he was just carrying it around the entire day). Something may have set him off that morning while visiting his family. We know he mentioned abuse he suffered from his babysitter and he mentioned other things that may or may not be true, but I do think something in his childhood may have impacted him in such a way that he now isn't dealing well in adult life. No idea what exactly it is/was, but if he wasn't out trolling for victims on other occasions, then it seems something this day triggered him. OR he could have been out there other days looking as well.

 

[tlcya]

I am in no way blaming his mother or sister by what I am about to say.. RA and RA alone is responsible for RA's behavior..

I do really want to know how that visit when that day with his family. He left and chose not to have lunch with them and it seems he left knowing what he was going to do. He grabbed some beers, when home to get his coat.. and I think his gun (unless he was just carrying it around the entire day). Something may have set him off that morning while visiting his family. We know he mentioned abuse he suffered from his babysitter and he mentioned other things that may or may not be true, but I do think something in his childhood may have impacted him in such a way that he now isn't dealing well in adult life. No idea what exactly it is/was, but if he wasn't out trolling for victims on other occasions, then it seems something this day triggered him. OR he could have been out there other days looking as well.

I too suspect his childhood plays a huge role in who he became. His father abandoned him and his mother allegedly. I don't know at what age. Maybe his mother blamed him and a resentment of her developed. Maybe his mother clung too tightly to her little man fearing another abandonment and was too controlling. All I know is, whatever formed the RA that murdered two girls, it stems from childhood and carried forward into adulthood, making him a ticking time bomb.

 

[Tortoise]

Also, very interesting they asked him about the parts of the interview that were cut out and not played for the jury.

He said he wanted to make it clear he was not yelling at RA the entire time. The first hour and a half they just talked calmly. He said he also likes to match the person he is interview so if they are calm and not cursing, then he tries to keep it calm and he won't curse. He said it's an interview tactic to get them to keep talking and to get responses. So it sounds like when RA got heated and started yelling and cursing, is when Holeman did also. It seemed from coverage sometimes that it was poor RA being screamed at by Holeman and how wrong he was treated, but that wasn't the case. RA became heated and Holeman also noted that RA told him to just arrest him several times.. he said he's never had an innocent person do that once let alone several times in an interview.

In HTC Lauren's interview, he also says one of the parts cut out because it was deemed too prejudicial for the jury to see was when RA was asked to take a polygraph and he refused. Also then KA was brought into the room and they asked her if she would take a polygraph if she was innocent of a crime and she said yes, which upset RA.

 

[Tortoise]

Why aren't they releasing these interviews now? I wish one of the podcasters would have asked that question.

 

[INfisherman]

Has an appeal been filed yet? I know they have 30 days from sentencing.

Just wondering.

In progress. RAs state public defense attorney filed a motion for 2 appellate attorneys yesterday. No, the state public defense attorney is not a member of team clown.

MOO

 

[arielilane]

More justice for our girls.

UPDATE (12/30/2024): Judge Fran Gull ruled on Dec. 30, 2024, that all crime scene and autopsy photos – as well as medical and mental health records – be sealed and maintained as confidential.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-murders-records-sealed/?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co

 

[INfisherman]

I am in no way blaming his mother or sister by what I am about to say.. RA and RA alone is responsible for RA's behavior..

I do really want to know how that visit when that day with his family. He left and chose not to have lunch with them and it seems he left knowing what he was going to do. He grabbed some beers, when home to get his coat.. and I think his gun (unless he was just carrying it around the entire day). Something may have set him off that morning while visiting his family. We know he mentioned abuse he suffered from his babysitter and he mentioned other things that may or may not be true, but I do think something in his childhood may have impacted him in such a way that he now isn't dealing well in adult life. No idea what exactly it is/was, but if he wasn't out trolling for victims on other occasions, then it seems something this day triggered him. OR he could have been out there other days looking as well.

I too suspect his childhood plays a huge role in who he became. His father abandoned him and his mother allegedly. I don't know at what age. Maybe his mother blamed him and a resentment of her developed. Maybe his mother clung too tightly to her little man fearing another abandonment and was too controlling. All I know is, whatever formed the RA that murdered two girls, it stems from childhood and carried forward into adulthood, making him a ticking time bomb.

I cannot settle on the subject above - what/why, etc. Maybe I’m making it overly complicated. I do feel things in his childhood impacted him greatly later in life. I also tend to think he may have seen his mother & wife as overbearing in some manner which led to resentment or deep rooted anger but then he turns into wanting sympathy from them. It’s odd. I also feel he was involved in or had considered being involved in CSAM at some point. He didn’t become good at manipulating people by being a model citizen. That comes from repetition & practice - “You know me. You know this is something I could never do."

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

What are the odds of coming up against two child predators within days?

Mind boggling.

High.

There are many, many paederasts in our communities, churches, schools, sports teams, and homes. The vast majority are regular appearing folks with families and jobs, who socialise appropriately. They're not the guy with the trenchcoat on a park bench with a leer, they're your sales clerk, your mechanic, your kid's teacher or coach or dance teacher or scout master. They're your pastor. They're that amazing neighbour who mowed your lawn and collected your mail when you were on holiday.

One in four children are sexually abused. Over one in three girls, almost one in five boys.

That's a lot of predators.

Prevalence of child sexual abuse | Bravehearts

Prevalence of child sexual abuse The Australian Child Maltreatment Study (ACMS), the first nationally representative study of child maltreatment rates, […]

bravehearts.org.au

MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

More justice for our girls.

UPDATE (12/30/2024): Judge Fran Gull ruled on Dec. 30, 2024, that all crime scene and autopsy photos – as well as medical and mental health records – be sealed and maintained as confidential.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-murders-records-sealed/?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co

Gull or McCl said the defense team was “negligently released” the crime scene photos and we know there has been a lot said and discussed about it.
To my knowledge and recollection the defense team has never apologized for that to anyone, not even the families. If nothing else, it reveals the defense team’s character or lack thereof. I think, also, it’s more likely the photos were released purposely for some pathetic defense tactic.

Also, this came out yesterday too.

 

[justtrish]

Gull or McCl said the defense team was “negligently released” the crime scene photos and we know there has been a lot said and discussed about it.
To my knowledge and recollection the defense team has never apologized for that to anyone, not even the families. If nothing else, it reveals the defense team’s character or lack thereof. I think, also, it’s more likely the photos were released purposely for some pathetic defense tactic.

Also, this came out yesterday too.

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In the interview Holeman did on MS he stated he feels the photos were intenionally released. He also spoke about the way the D team circumvented the gag order and released many things in the memos and via other ways.. (as in certain podcasters that were the D team mouthpiece)

 

[tlcya]

In the interview Holeman did on MS he stated he feels the photos were intenionally released. He also spoke about the way the D team circumvented the gag order and released many things in the memos and via other ways.. (as in certain podcasters that were the D team mouthpiece)

Many of us felt similarly that defense had very strategically written their motions with the public and potential jurors in mind to push a false narrative and circumvent that gag order. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise. I am very glad B and R are no longer involved in this case and that RA will have hopefully better counsel through his public defender in his anticipated appeal.

 

[iamshadow21]

In the interview Holeman did on MS he stated he feels the photos were intenionally released. He also spoke about the way the D team circumvented the gag order and released many things in the memos and via other ways.. (as in certain podcasters that were the D team mouthpiece)

Yeah, I don't think many people believed it was anything but purposeful. At best, I could believe profound incompetence, but I thought that was unlikely.

Naked pictures of murdered children, on the internet, which is forever.

MOO