GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[mrjitty]

I guess my final take on JA is that here she is, free to tell the story without any contraint from the evidential rules, and her version requires us to believe

1. Odinism (though she states this is LE's theory)
2. 2nd location
3. Headphones
4. The phone being off and turned back on by the real killers
5. Dr Wala setting up Rick whether intentionally or unintentionally.

IMO it is point 5 that really takes an already wild theory into cloud cuckoo land. Even if it can be proven some people talked about the van online one time, you have to now believe, without evidence, that Dr Wala saw this, and decided to either tell RA, or implant it in his confession because reasons.

That's obvious nonsense in my opinion.

But maybe that explains the need for a wider conspiracy. It doesn't work unless due to sinister Odinism, LE have decided to frame Rick because reasons.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Interesting post. I never heard of "undoing" as a sustitute behavior of SA.

Forcing underage girls to remove their clothing in any manner to begin with is SA behavior. The 'Undoing' might have meant a twinge of remorse for Abby, but that's hard to believe considering he was probably straddling her as he slit her throat.

What an extremely cold blooded, up close and personal act. He would have had to be looking Abby in the eyes, and it sickens me that those were the last she saw as she died. (Hopefully Abby may have been unconscious at that point)

I believe RA had a sick, twisted fantasy in his mind that he wanted to play out, and it didn't have to mean him having
s e x u a l contact with girls himself.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Notice to Court Filed Acceptance of Appointment and Formal Notice of Appointment of Outside Counsel Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp:​

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01/09/2025​

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[FrostedGlass]

Mark Leeman and Stacy Uliana are his appellate attorneys.
IMO Good choices!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1877371001593311235

 

[Boxer]

I don’t have a clue why they approached the trial the way they did. I was very concerned that they were going to make it a tough trial after their opening but after that, they just seemed to kind of wilt or slow down. I just really had a hard time following their story compared to what NM presented. They seemed very disorganized when it was their turn at bat so to speak.

Hindsight being 20/20, the state could have done more with the phone data IMO just to cover the bases. No clue why they didn’t have someone more well versed looking at the extractions. Cecil seemed a bit in over his head or he simply overlooked the headphone jack info. It just seemed like he could have been more well prepared after 7 years of messing around with the phone & the data. Maybe he was the only option left after Carter told the FBI to move along. Just a weird way of handling that one item IMO. I suppose they had just enough of the right testimony & answers for the jury.

The doctoring of the video is just so far out there I cannot even consider it. That’s what trolling the internet will bring to a trial - stuff like that. BM & his wife just get too hung up on things like that & jamming devices. As if white supremacist ritual murderers are going to have equipment like that just sitting around in case an emergency sacrifice needs to be performed to further the white race. Can an Odinist ever be prepared enough? Even if they did, why then worry about a phone ringing if it’s jammed & cannot receive signals at that point? Oh yeah, let’s insert a pair of headphones too so the incoming call it cannot receive will not be heard. Sorry but while I appreciate creative thinking or questions, some folks just can’t seem to get within the range of reality around small town IN. What’s next, Odinist controlled spy drones with jamming capabilities?

I did see on another site where another person mentioned Auger stating something along the lines of once RA left, he didn’t come back to the CS. I’ll have to go back & listen to that again. I’m sure if she’s asked to clarify, she’ll say she meant the trails & not the CS or that she’s using the state’s storyline rather than implying her client was ever at the CS.

The questions around this case will probably linger for years barring certain individuals stepping forward & telling all, including RA. That won’t happen, if ever, until after appeals are exhausted. I’m not so sure he will ever admit his guilt. He’s just that stubborn & that much of a control freak. Maybe his time in Westville will get him to feeling like talking again.

JMO

He can't ever tell what he did again because his wife told him that he is not guilty.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1877433203926991329

 

[ClearAhead]

Richard Allen's attorneys speak on trial​

Big Bombshell (Hardly not!) The defence say they have discovered new evidence or more specifically interpretations of evidence and witness testimony that may help in Allen’s appeal.

 

[Arkay]

What an extremely cold blooded, up close and personal act. He would have had to be looking Abby in the eyes, and it sickens me that those were the last she saw as she died. (Hopefully Abby may have been unconscious at that point)

It’s just chilling to think about what these girls endured, and the anguish caused to their families.

I will be 197 years old in 130 years when RA is freed, and I hope never to hear his name again until that day.

Let’s get through his right to appeal, which I hope is 1-2-3 over and out, and then he can rot forever.

IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

DBM

 

[Arkay]

I don't think you meant to quote me on this thread.

Hi shadow, I didn’t realize I’d done that, sorry! I seem to have retained the most recent post I quoted, which was yours as of yesterday. I’ve fixed it now.

 

[snarast]

“Maybe we should have focused more on the timeline” - paraphrasing #907 above - I just don’t understand why they couldn’t do that during the trial.

You can’t argue for a new trial based on that his lawyers were slow. I guess another set of defense attorneys could, but not the same team.

 

[MassGuy]

I guess my final take on JA is that here she is, free to tell the story without any contraint from the evidential rules, and her version requires us to believe

1. Odinism (though she states this is LE's theory)
2. 2nd location
3. Headphones
4. The phone being off and turned back on by the real killers
5. Dr Wala setting up Rick whether intentionally or unintentionally.

IMO it is point 5 that really takes an already wild theory into cloud cuckoo land. Even if it can be proven some people talked about the van online one time, you have to now believe, without evidence, that Dr Wala saw this, and decided to either tell RA, or implant it in his confession because reasons.

That's obvious nonsense in my opinion.

But maybe that explains the need for a wider conspiracy. It doesn't work unless due to sinister Odinism, LE have decided to frame Rick because reasons.

Some people have seen “Making a Murderer” too many times, and now they believe every case is like that.

The fact that Steven Avery is guilty as sin, notwithstanding.

 

[snooptroop88]

You know, I remember when I first started looking into this case, and I'd always see some news clip playing at the beginning of a program. Richard Allen was walking by in his jumpsuit, and a man in the crowd was screaming, "Richard Allen, you child murderer, why did you do it? Shame on you, Richard Allen!" And I thought to myself, this is terrible, the defendant hasn't even had his trial yet, and someone is yelling these horrible things at him and they're splashing it all over media. What if he really didn't do it? Once I started seeing the evidence against him, however, I began to see things differently. And also, once I started seeing the antics of the D team-- that did it for me. Have always thought that with their "conspiracy theories" and so on-- that's (jmo) the defense of a guilty client. It would have been one thing if they'd made some real attempt to deflect the evidence against him first and had used the "conspiracy" as a second prong to the defense. They didn't.

Because he did do it. And now I find myself thinking, too, Richard Allen, why'd you do it, you child murderer? I'm thankful he has 130 years to figure out his answer.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Richard Allen's attorneys speak on trial​

Big Bombshell (Hardly not!) The defence say they have discovered new evidence or more specifically interpretations of evidence and witness testimony that may help in Allen’s appeal.

IMO This question by Russ McQuaid hits the nail square on its head. My answer is: Absolutely.
"I asked the attorneys if they thought that Judge Gull, in her own words, ran a tight ship and that kept outside information that wasn't fully corroborated from coming into the case or she directed the jury down that alley where could only go to one solution, to one verdict."

 

[snarast]

The weakness of this case is based on the time that passed between crime and identification.

It doesn’t seem to me the defence drove that point home.

That said I don’t think it would make a difference given the confessions.

 

[susane7]

I doubt any juror would vote differently if see all "the evidence" that the defense wanted. From the questions they made, the jury seemed very logical and with common sense. I think if they found out about the odinism and the frank's memo they will remember what were testified in court - the yellow rope are from LE, the girls died at the location, there are many blood at scene, etc- and they will understand the frank's memo are full of lies. Also they can search to understand why wasn't admissible in trial and find out the 3 days hearings. I think if the odinism would be allowed, this logical jury would found RA guilty in 1 hour instead of 18 hours.

 

[mrjitty]

I doubt any juror would vote differently if see all "the evidence" that the defense wanted. From the questions they made, the jury seemed very logical and with common sense. I think if they found out about the odinism and the frank's memo they will remember what were testified in court - the yellow rope are from LE, the girls died at the location, there are many blood at scene, etc- and they will understand the frank's memo are full of lies. Also they can search to understand why wasn't admissible in trial and find out the 3 days hearings. I think if the odinism would be allowed, this logical jury would found RA guilty in 1 hour instead of 18 hours.

I agree ... like here they are, unconstrained by the rules of evidence and trial procedure, and they can't articulate a version that could hold water.

Their problem is, they not only need Odinism AND a second location (wildly unlikely) they also need psychosis induced confessions, but even that isn't enough. They also need Dr W to set Rick up.

Sorry but that doesn't stack up. Why would Dr W be in on the Odinist coverup? Just at a time when Rick had psychosis? Sorry. This just gets way too silly ...

 

[snarast]

to be blunt - everybody walked around in Delphi, and RA stood at the CVS counter and nobody recognized him as BG. For years.

Again, I think the personality traits he displayed during his confessions obliterates just about anything, so….

 

[mrjitty]

“Maybe we should have focused more on the timeline” - paraphrasing #907 above - I just don’t understand why they couldn’t do that during the trial.

right?

It's kind of disingenuous to say that now. It's obvious why they didn't focus on the timeline. It sucks for them! Had he not confessed, then they probably could have said look, of course Bridge Guy did it, and we have no idea who that guy is or what happened! Oh and look at this strange phone stuff.

You can’t argue for a new trial based on that his lawyers were slow. I guess another set of defense attorneys could, but not the same team.

IIRC this is why you get a new team, as they will need to put R+B under the bus.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Here's the full Fox interview with Auger and Baldwin