I agree. For me, the timeline is the most important thing in this case. Even without the bullet and the confessions, RA are boxed in as BG in the timeline. I think it's why in the mid of the trial, some defense mouthpieces were trying to say BG was just a passerby..which is ridiculous IMO.
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it’s crucial, for sure. The only way around it is to question why he wasn’t identified earlier.
Which is less important now that we have all seen/heard his terrible personality traits that are apparently simmering beneath that diminutive figure.
This defence team should take their 15 minutes and just go away.
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He was totally boxed in, which is why he completely changed his timeline during his second interview. Instead of everything matching perfectly with BG, he's gone by the time he previously claimed to have arrived. How convenient!
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And the same girls (and others) were on the trail during the earlier time he attempted to change to.
And he was not on the trail at that time, because he was on the trail at the time the girls saw him. The time that locks his arrrival to the bridge at the tine the witness saw gim on the bridge.
Like offering a refutable different time alibi, his attempts appearing crazy, MOO to cover for having confessed, his attempt at showing he was crazy only highlighted that he was very capable of the depravity neede d to commit the murders.
Murder Sheet episode with interview with female juror is out on their website now: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/
It will be the first of two episodes, and both will be released today.
It will be the first of two episodes, and both will be released today.
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Can't wait to give those a listen!
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Can’t wait to read your succinct summary!
The juror thought McCleland made them less nervous and "got on their level." Rozzi got off on the wrong foot with the jurors, seemed to play on their nervousness. Would say things like "let me dumb it down for you."
She noticed the eyes of RA. They were weird to her and she would refrain from eye contact. Many jurors noticed that he would stare and not break contact.
A couple of people were upset when they were picked for the jury as they didn't realize they would be sequestered (or maybe reality was hitting them).
It was interesting to hear how the bailiffs would take care of them, especially in the absence of internet. The jurors were somewhat shielded from knowledge of how much media frenzy was surrounding the trial. But once the trial concluded and the juror did her own research, she was shocked how well known it was outside of Indiana.
She noticed the eyes of RA. They were weird to her and she would refrain from eye contact. Many jurors noticed that he would stare and not break contact.
A couple of people were upset when they were picked for the jury as they didn't realize they would be sequestered (or maybe reality was hitting them).
It was interesting to hear how the bailiffs would take care of them, especially in the absence of internet. The jurors were somewhat shielded from knowledge of how much media frenzy was surrounding the trial. But once the trial concluded and the juror did her own research, she was shocked how well known it was outside of Indiana.
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Juror says that one day on the way back to the hotel from the courthouse the van they were in started going really fast, “like 90mph”. They were told after the trial that a woman in a car next to the van was trying to take pictures of the jurors. LE pulled the woman over and took her phone to Judge Gull. It was determined the woman was a student at IU, was traveling through Delphi, happened to see the procession of vans & police cars and was looking up what was going on and telling her friends about it. Once it was determined she didn’t have photos or videos or the jury LE brought her phone back and let her go.
This wasn’t too long before the end of the trial. Juror says it was one of a few things (along with an extensive security detail everywhere they went + great care to keep jury away from even somewhat stressful situations) that made her start to think the trial was “kind of bigger than she might think or know.” Realized after trial & doing her own research it wasn’t “just Indiana people” who knew about it.
About 26:48 timestamp
This wasn’t too long before the end of the trial. Juror says it was one of a few things (along with an extensive security detail everywhere they went + great care to keep jury away from even somewhat stressful situations) that made her start to think the trial was “kind of bigger than she might think or know.” Realized after trial & doing her own research it wasn’t “just Indiana people” who knew about it.
About 26:48 timestamp
The Delphi Murders: First Person: A Juror: Part One
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Juror says that her impression of other jurors was “very, very, very smart people”. There was no one she didn’t feel like she couldn’t deal with or didn’t like which was surprising given what a random group of people it was.
She says she feels the jurors became a close-knit group and that going through something like this trial brings you close to each other. She says she was “kind of a mess” towards the end of the trial and everyone else stepped up and made sure everyone else was okay, took care of each other.
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She says she feels the jurors became a close-knit group and that going through something like this trial brings you close to each other. She says she was “kind of a mess” towards the end of the trial and everyone else stepped up and made sure everyone else was okay, took care of each other.
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This jury Must be the polar opposite of the casey anthony jury.Juror says that her impression of other jurors was “very, very, very smart people”. There was no one she didn’t feel like she couldn’t deal with or didn’t like which was surprising given what a random group of people it was.
She says she feels the jurors became a close-knit group and that going through something like this trial brings you close to people. She says she was “kind of a mess” towards the end of the trial and everyone else stepped up and made sure everyone else was okay, took care of each other.
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For what it’s worth, juror says that after the trial & listening to Murder Sheet’s coverage she is “so glad they were able to be there and get the correct message of what actually happened in court through”.
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Juror’s impression of each of the attorneys:
Nicholas McLeland - very impressed, thinks he did a really good job. Made her feel comfortable, always seemed to have a plan & was throughly prepared. “A high level professional”.
Stacy Diener - did a really good job with her role questioning witnesses
James Lutrell - didn’t warm up to him as much but that may have been because he covered a lot of the more technical aspects of the case
Andrew Baldwin - liked him. He was more approachable/less intimidating than Rozzi, made eye contact with the jury & smiled. Thought he did a really good job.
Brad Rozzi - not sure if he is the “lead person or if they both (he and Baldwin) are” but had “an ego thing”. Came off intimidating from the beginning. Hard to focus on his lines of questioning & found a lot of what he was saying to be smoke and mirrors around what they were actually talking about. Wouldn’t have held any of this against him if it was once or twice but juror felt it was all throughout the trial.
Jennifer Auger - really really liked her. Did a good job, “stands on business”. Juror liked that she had “a little bit of attitude”, fit juror’s mental picture of what a defense attorney would be.
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Nicholas McLeland - very impressed, thinks he did a really good job. Made her feel comfortable, always seemed to have a plan & was throughly prepared. “A high level professional”.
Stacy Diener - did a really good job with her role questioning witnesses
James Lutrell - didn’t warm up to him as much but that may have been because he covered a lot of the more technical aspects of the case
Andrew Baldwin - liked him. He was more approachable/less intimidating than Rozzi, made eye contact with the jury & smiled. Thought he did a really good job.
Brad Rozzi - not sure if he is the “lead person or if they both (he and Baldwin) are” but had “an ego thing”. Came off intimidating from the beginning. Hard to focus on his lines of questioning & found a lot of what he was saying to be smoke and mirrors around what they were actually talking about. Wouldn’t have held any of this against him if it was once or twice but juror felt it was all throughout the trial.
Jennifer Auger - really really liked her. Did a good job, “stands on business”. Juror liked that she had “a little bit of attitude”, fit juror’s mental picture of what a defense attorney would be.
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Juror feels that defense did a good job discounting Sarah Carbaugh (“muddy and bloody” witness)’s testimony and felt the jury as a whole “agreed to throw that out”.
Did not find the testimony of the bullet by Melissa Oberg compelling. Did not feel that Oberg was lying and felt she seemed very intelligent but felt skeptical about the bullet as a whole and the science behind it.
Found Railly Voorhies‘ account of seeing RA and him seeing her on Feb 13th to be “almost the nail in the coffin” in terms of RA’s guilt.
eta this was all towards the end of the first episode & the first few minutes of the second
Did not find the testimony of the bullet by Melissa Oberg compelling. Did not feel that Oberg was lying and felt she seemed very intelligent but felt skeptical about the bullet as a whole and the science behind it.
Found Railly Voorhies‘ account of seeing RA and him seeing her on Feb 13th to be “almost the nail in the coffin” in terms of RA’s guilt.
eta this was all towards the end of the first episode & the first few minutes of the second
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Some things the juror pointed out that were a bit surprising to her:
The above, to me, is important because this was quite evident when following this case through MSM reports. I felt the exact same things after reading the detailed daily reports. This tells me the local media did quite a fair job of coverage & didn’t miss the main points of the trial. It was important to use more than one media source to be able to get a complete picture as to what was happening.
The juror described JG as having command of the courtroom & did a good job making the jurors feel comfortable as well as guiding them. No criticism of JG at all. Juror had a high regard for JG. Zero negative comments regarding JG. I feel a listener would describe that this juror held JG as a person to respect & trust.
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- Had to look up how many vehicles matched RAs in the county. The juror was surprised this hadn’t been done prior to trial.
- State witness Cecil had to Google the headphone Jack info. She didn’t have an issue that Cecil did it during trial, was just a bit surprised he had to do it/wasn’t as prepared as she thought he should have been for that particular topic/piece of evidence.
- It was very off-putting that there were technological issues during the trial. Made the jurors feel as if their time wasn’t of much importance.
The above, to me, is important because this was quite evident when following this case through MSM reports. I felt the exact same things after reading the detailed daily reports. This tells me the local media did quite a fair job of coverage & didn’t miss the main points of the trial. It was important to use more than one media source to be able to get a complete picture as to what was happening.
The juror described JG as having command of the courtroom & did a good job making the jurors feel comfortable as well as guiding them. No criticism of JG at all. Juror had a high regard for JG. Zero negative comments regarding JG. I feel a listener would describe that this juror held JG as a person to respect & trust.
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Forgot to include the initial jury vote prior to deliberations was 9 guilty 3 unsure.
Juror said she really like ISP Harshman as a witness. Said all of the ISP & CSI witnesses were very professional.
Juror said she really like ISP Harshman as a witness. Said all of the ISP & CSI witnesses were very professional.
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Re: deliberations, juror feels that the 4 days they took to deliberate was necessary and that even towards the end of deliberations there was never a point where it seemed they were all going to vote the same.
They took a vote before deliberation (sounded like she said “on Tuesday”) and it came out 3 undecided, 9 guilty.
Friday jury decided they wanted to see both Holeman and Mullin’s interviews (mainly Mullin because there was something in there the jury specifically wanted to see though juror does not remember what that was). They also watched the enhanced bridge guy video/audio again that day.
Juror felt that Holeman was excessive in questioning RA- “going at him again and again” even after RA repeatedly said he was done talking, though she acknowledges RA did not make any move to leave.
Saturday after reviewing most of the video evidence they took another vote and came out to 8 guilty, 4 undecided. So one juror went from “guilty” to “undecided” after viewing the interview videos a second time.
One of the other jurors raised the question of “if it wasn’t RA then who could it have possibly been” and the juror being interviewed says it seemed like the wrong question to ask to her, “that’s not what this is about. We’re not seeing if it could be anyone else, it’s that ‘is there enough evidence to have been RA specifically’, not ‘is there other evidence showing that it could have been someone else’”.
They took a vote before deliberation (sounded like she said “on Tuesday”) and it came out 3 undecided, 9 guilty.
Friday jury decided they wanted to see both Holeman and Mullin’s interviews (mainly Mullin because there was something in there the jury specifically wanted to see though juror does not remember what that was). They also watched the enhanced bridge guy video/audio again that day.
Juror felt that Holeman was excessive in questioning RA- “going at him again and again” even after RA repeatedly said he was done talking, though she acknowledges RA did not make any move to leave.
Saturday after reviewing most of the video evidence they took another vote and came out to 8 guilty, 4 undecided. So one juror went from “guilty” to “undecided” after viewing the interview videos a second time.
One of the other jurors raised the question of “if it wasn’t RA then who could it have possibly been” and the juror being interviewed says it seemed like the wrong question to ask to her, “that’s not what this is about. We’re not seeing if it could be anyone else, it’s that ‘is there enough evidence to have been RA specifically’, not ‘is there other evidence showing that it could have been someone else’”.
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That, the van & the sheer number of times he confessed were the main points she mentioned that stood out for her.
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