GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[FrostedGlass]

The original wanted poster was correct.
He confirmed he saw the witnesses that saw him.

He only saw three females. Where was the fourth one?

 

[Jade]

Sheriff says Richard Allen doesn't match witness descriptions of 'bridge guy'

Sheriff says Richard Allen doesn't match witness descriptions of 'bridge guy' | Day 6 | DELPHI DEBRIEF

Our 13News team breaks down the key developments from Day 6 of the Delphi Murders trial.

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In addition to Allen calling the tip line right after the murders and being interviewed face to face, they cleared him for 5 years. And one witness described him as boyish and beautiful with a poof of brown hair, in his 20s. And the Sheriff said none of the witness descriptions matched Allen. Very concerning to me.

Those witness were not direct witness. The only direct witnesses were Abby and Libby.

It’s a disadvantage to try to get caught up now from not following at the time and missing the many posts and links on witnesses. This topic has been covered extensively in the threads.

Those witnesses, later, in retrospect, had to recall their memories of fellow trail goers to the best of their ability.

It is the corroborating evidence and RA’s ongoing freely given confessions that got him a conviction not any inadequacy of park goers doing their best to later recall who they saw where that day, imo.


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Though a pair of sketches were generated as the result of witness descriptions of men — one middle aged, the other significantly younger — who were spotted on the nature trail leading up to the bridge that day, investigators remain stymied in their search for the alleged killer.

The sketches were ruled out of the trial by Special Judge Fran Gull, who agreed with Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland that, since the renditions did not resemble Allen, inclusion in the evidence could only serve to confuse jurors, which is the point of the defense team’s attempt to introduce them as evidence.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-trial-jurors-reviewed-murder-evidence-missteps-during-2nd-week-in-court/

all imo

 

[Boxer]

He only saw three females. Where was the fourth one?

He saw a group of girls, they saw him.

 

[SMK777]

Those witness were not direct witness. The only direct witnesses were Abby and Libby.

It’s a disadvantage to try to get caught up now from not following at the time and missing the many posts and links on witnesses. This topic has been covered extensively in the threads.

Those witnesses, later, in retrospect, had to recall their memories of fellow trail goers to the best of their ability.

It is the corroborating evidence and RA’s ongoing freely given confessions that got him a conviction not any inadequacy of park goers doing their best to later recall who they saw where that day, imo.


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Though a pair of sketches were generated as the result of witness descriptions of men — one middle aged, the other significantly younger — who were spotted on the nature trail leading up to the bridge that day, investigators remain stymied in their search for the alleged killer.

The sketches were ruled out of the trial by Special Judge Fran Gull, who agreed with Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland that, since the renditions did not resemble Allen, inclusion in the evidence could only serve to confuse jurors, which is the point of the defense team’s attempt to introduce them as evidence.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-trial-jurors-reviewed-murder-evidence-missteps-during-2nd-week-in-court/

all imo

Yes, it would certainly confuse the jurors, but that would be an important help to the defense. The young sketch clearly was not RA. I wonder who it was?

The most troubling aspect is that Allen called himself into the tipline, was interviewed face to face, cleared, and then forgotten about for 5 years, until a clerk searching through old files decided to flag Allen's file.

 

[girlhasnoname]

He saw a group of girls, they saw him.

Right, they described him just as he described them. The fourth girl was the very young sister of one of the other girls and he might not have seen her or she may have been off to the side or end.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, it would certainly confuse the jurors, but that would be an important help to the defense. The young sketch clearly was not RA. I wonder who it was?

The most troubling aspect is that Allen called himself into the tipline, was interviewed face to face, cleared, and then forgotten about for 5 years, until a clerk searching through old files decided to flag Allen's file.

The sketches are not evidence, they are LE investigative tools. Judge Gull made a ruling on that.

 

[Jade]

Yes, it would certainly confuse the jurors, but that would be an important help to the defense. The young sketch clearly was not RA. I wonder who it was?

The most troubling aspect is that Allen called himself into the tipline, was interviewed face to face, cleared, and then forgotten about for 5 years, until a clerk searching through old files decided to flag Allen's file.

You've missed a lot!

I'll try to find the post with the YBG and OBG sketches and RA lined up. Its an interesting comparison.

Not cleared; it was bumbled by the CO taking the tip, never acknowledged, misfiled and totally overlooked.

This trained and qualified witness had ongoing one on one contact with RA and he positively identifies the voice as RA:

State trooper: Voice in infamous 'Bridge Guy' video belongs to Richard Allen
[...]

Brian Harshman, an Indiana State Police master trooper, told jurors that he recognizes the voice in the infamous "Bridge Guy" video as Allen's.

Harshman, whose main job was to monitor calls Allen made from prison, said he has become familiar with Allen's voice after listening to 700 prison calls he made to his family.

As Harshman testified, the prosecution played audios of the calls in which Allen repeatedly confessed to his wife, Kathy Allen, that he killed Abby and Libby. The calls spanned several months, from fall of 2022, shortly after Allen was taken to Westville Correctional Facility, to summer of 2023.

[...]

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

all imo

 

[justtrish]

Right, they described him just as he described them. The fourth girl was the very young sister of one of the other girls and he might not have seen her or she may have been off to the side or end.

MOO

This is exactly it.

I also think he paid attention to the 3 that were the right age for his evil desires. It's disturbing he could describe them as well as he did because they could have very well been victims of his. He was taking note because he was looking for victims. They were taking note because he was creepy.

 

[Jade]

FWIW at this time haven't had a chance to look for promised post with the side by side comparison of RA, OBG and YBG.
Here's this comparison post linked for now.
RA and both sketches have the distinctive hooded eyes.
The YBG eyes particularly the left eye looks a lot like RA's, imo.

Found Deceased Post in thread 'IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #156'

Nov 15, 2022

I cant stop looking at this side by side comparison. I just can't.

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all imo

 

[Boxer]

He only saw three females. Where was the fourth one?tHe said 3 but rhere was a younger one too. There were no other groups of girls

Right, they described him just as he described them. The fourth girl was the very young sister of one of the other girls and he might not have seen her or she may have been off to the side or end.

MOO

MOOnHiding behind her sister most likely.

 

[SMK777]

You've missed a lot!

I'll try to find the post with the YBG and OBG sketches and RA lined up. Its an interesting comparison.

Not cleared; it was bumbled by the CO taking the tip, never acknowledged, misfiled and totally overlooked.

This trained and qualified witness had ongoing one on one contact with RA and he positively identifies the voice as RA:

State trooper: Voice in infamous 'Bridge Guy' video belongs to Richard Allen
[...]

Brian Harshman, an Indiana State Police master trooper, told jurors that he recognizes the voice in the infamous "Bridge Guy" video as Allen's.

Harshman, whose main job was to monitor calls Allen made from prison, said he has become familiar with Allen's voice after listening to 700 prison calls he made to his family.

As Harshman testified, the prosecution played audios of the calls in which Allen repeatedly confessed to his wife, Kathy Allen, that he killed Abby and Libby. The calls spanned several months, from fall of 2022, shortly after Allen was taken to Westville Correctional Facility, to summer of 2023.

[...]

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

all imo

Yes, it's impressive that the trooper is certain that Bridge Guy's voice is RA's. Definitely.

But the news video I posted upthread did say that after being interviewed face to face after he called the tipline following the crime, it was believed RA was not involved with the crime. That is why he was forgotten for 5 years.

[ It's in the transcript. Very odd that he admits to being on the bridge at the time the girls were, they get a good look at him, and forget him for 5 years. ]

Many people have found the evidence against him weak, and the rush to arrest him as too hasty. Still trying to catch up with all, although I did follow a prominent blog on the case after RA's arrest.

 

[SMK777]

Richard Allen doesn’t read short, imo.

RA has a big head and an aggressive manner in the videos prior to arrest I’ve seen. He looks and acts like a grump making him seem more substantial, I guess is the word, imo. He's not petite, imo.

In this video at 1:12 he doesn’t stand out as noticeably short, imo.

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At 1:10 here is Ricky next to Mr. tall and handsome officer that shows his big head



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Jury begins deliberating in Delphi double murder trial of Richard Allen

After nearly three weeks of testimony, the jury has begun deliberating in the Delphi murders trial.

abc7.com

all imo

I do see what you mean, definitely.

 

[SMK777]

FWIW at this time haven't had a chance to look for promised post with the side by side comparison of RA, OBG and YBG.
Here's this comparison post linked for now.
RA and both sketches have the distinctive hooded eyes.
The YBG eyes particularly the left eye looks a lot like RA's, imo.



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Found Deceased Post in thread 'IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #156'

Nov 15, 2022

I cant stop looking at this side by side comparison. I just can't.

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all imo

I vaguely see what you mean. RA looks handsome there as he does not in recent photos.

But to me the sketch on the left looks to be what the witness called who she saw, "boyish and beautiful with a poof of brown hair."

 

[ClearAhead]

I vaguely see what you mean. RA looks handsome there as he does not in recent photos.

But to me the sketch on the left looks to be what the witness called who she saw, "boyish and beautiful with a poof of brown hair."

These witnesses did not see the man for any length of time, nor did they have any inkling at the time the recollect of who they sighted would be significant. I think it was very wise for the judge to toss the sketches, they were never intended to resemble a photograph but were a tool for LE to gain tips, as has been mentioned.

Without having followed the trial by tweet and/or podcast, I can understand how the verdict might seem questionable. But rather than the jury simply viewing sketches (and a question is it him or not?) the jury heard testimony that the photo from Libby’s video of the man on the bridge was who each believed was sighted. The prosecution then proceeded to prove to the jury why RA was the man on the bridge, aside from his multiple confessions. The defense just wasn’t able to create sufficient reasonable doubt.

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 4 | Focus on examination of physical evidence recovered at crime scene

Testimony and cross-examination of the state's witness, ISP crime scene investigator Brian Olehy, continued on day four of the Delphi Murders trial.

www.wrtv.com

“When asked by the jury if the "brown poofy hair" could've been a hat, she said it's possible.”

 

[katydid23]

Yes, it's impressive that the trooper is certain that Bridge Guy's voice is RA's. Definitely.

But the news video I posted upthread did say that after being interviewed face to face after he called the tipline following the crime, it was believed RA was not involved with the crime. That is why he was forgotten for 5 years.

[ It's in the transcript. Very odd that he admits to being on the bridge at the time the girls were, they get a good look at him, and forget him for 5 years. ]

Many people have found the evidence against him weak, and the rush to arrest him as too hasty. Still trying to catch up with all, although I did follow a prominent blog on the case after RA's arrest.

Over the many long fruitless years, LE eventually realised that the man on the bridge, captured in the video, was probably their killer. And they had no idea who that man was. But the girls had secretly recorded him and it was essentially their last moments on Earth.

Then, miraculously, years later, a volunteer came upon a lost interview sheet, that had been sitting in a desk drawer. And she noticed that it was describing the interview with a man who admitted being on the bridge that afternoon, wearing the same clothing as Bridge Guy. It said 'cleared' at the top but she turned it over to the lead detective anyway.

So they went to re-interview this man and things began to fall into place.

 

[INfisherman]

This is exactly it.

I also think he paid attention to the 3 that were the right age for his evil desires. It's disturbing he could describe them as well as he did because they could have very well been victims of his. He was taking note because he was looking for victims. They were taking note because he was creepy.

And that sense of creepiness carried over to when he decided to walk further down the SE end of the bridge. Libby sensed it or she’d have likely never made the recording of the man who forced the two down the hill.

MOO

 

[acutename]

I vaguely see what you mean. RA looks handsome there as he does not in recent photos.

But to me the sketch on the left looks to be what the witness called who she saw, "boyish and beautiful with a poof of brown hair."

did he have brown hair and no beard at the time of the killing? also some described a suspect as having "not blue eyes"... are they hazel? look blue in the side by side

 

[Boxer]

Yes, it's impressive that the trooper is certain that Bridge Guy's voice is RA's. Definitely.

But the news video I posted upthread did say that after being interviewed face to face after he called the tipline following the crime, it was believed RA was not involved with the crime. That is why he was forgotten for 5 years.

[ It's in the transcript. Very odd that he admits to being on the bridge at the time the girls were, they get a good look at him, and forget him for 5 years. ]

Many people have found the evidence against him weak, and the rush to arrest him as too hasty. Still trying to catch up with all, although I did follow a prominent blog on the case after RA's arrest.

The jury got to see all the evidence and it is their sworn authority in this process to be the tryors of fact.

 

[Sweeper2000]

The jury got to see all the evidence and it is their sworn authority in this process to be the tryors of fact.

did they ever release more photo or film evidence? they had a 42 second video right ? not sure its publicly accessible

 

[Boxer]

did they ever release more photo or film evidence? they had a 42 second video right ? not sure its publicly accessible

Saddest damn thing.

Delphi murders: Jurors watch video extracted from Libby German’s phone

DELPHI, Ind. – One of the most famous—or infamous—pieces of the Delphi murders puzzle is video taken from Libby German’s phone. The grainy image of “Bridge Guy” was taken from a video extracted fro…

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