GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

[INfisherman]

Why were they trying to mislead the jury about 3.30 when they knew from phone pings he was home long before?

Could it be they were leading a narrative they knew to be false! Heavens above!

MOO

Evidently phone pings & video as well.

Cue the circus music.

MOO

 

[Niner]

@Vern - thanks for the docket updates!

 

[tlcya]

the suggestion that even prisoners have their own hierarchy and that CHOMOs are at the very very bottom of it makes it even less credible that RL would have made a confession of murdering two young girls to a career criminal meth dealer/snitch, not more. JMO

as others posited earlier, I think the most compelling part of the recent defense motion is the bit involving RA's lack of ability to respond to and lack of a hearing about plans to move him for "safekeeping". IANAL and am unfamiliar with whether THAT specific argument will gain any traction. I don't believe it will, but it is the most likely things of the three to at least get heard. At the end of the day I still believe any appeal being successful based on any of the three items listed in the motion for corrections is not at all likely. MOO

 

[al66pine]

CREDIBILITY of Inmate Ricci Davis' Stmt re Someone's "Confession?"
<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

The post listed State of IN.-published public information* from the TWELVE (12) entries of "Sentence Information" re Ricci Davis Jr.'s (YOB 1979) incarcerations, for convictions w sentences imposed btwn 2002 & 2014.

^ That is FACTUAL info ( @tlcya TYVM )^ not an "attack" on a person.

Three of the “Sentence Information” entries are especially relevant imo to his reputation for CREDIBILITY (or lack of it) and how his claims about someone's confession may be viewed.

2002….”CONSPIRACY/FORGERY,COUNTERFEITING,APPLICATION FRAUD”
2007…. “FORGERY,COUNTERFEITING,APPLICATION FRAUD”
2010…. “CONSPIRACY/FORGERY,COUNTERFEITING,APPLICATION FRAUD” **

Basically the IN. Statute re Counterfeiting & Forgery*** is the criminal offense of lying in written form, and his lies were so serious as to warrant criminal convictions.

I did not say his stmts could never be credible, but in light of his crim record re counterfeiting & forgery, personally I’m inclined to consider any stmts – oral, written, even under oath – that Davis makes w a jaundiced eye, but jmo. YMMV
(eta: a couple edits to clarify)
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* IN Dept of Corrections

Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

www.in.gov

** This may be a re-commitment for violation of parole.
*** IN. Statute re Counterfeiting & Forgery

2024 Indiana Code :: Title 35. Criminal Law and Procedure :: Article 43. Offenses Against Property :: Chapter 5. Forgery, Fraud, and Other Deceptions :: 35-43-5-2. Counterfeiting; Forgery

Justia Free Databases of U.S. Laws, Codes & Statutes

law.justia.com

 

[BexLuth0r]

Can someone please explain how a jailhouse snitch is more credible than an actual alibi? I'm genuinely confused as to why RLs alibi has suddenly been forgotten??

 

[TTF14]

CREDIBILITY of Inmate Ricci Davis' Stmt re Someone's "Confession?"

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

The post listed State of IN.-published public information* from the TWELVE (12) entries of "Sentence Information" re Ricci Davis Jr.'s (YOB 1979) incarcerations, for convictions w sentences imposed btwn 2002 & 2014.

^ That is FACTUAL info ( @tlcya TYVM )^ not an "attack" on a person.

Three of the “Sentence Information” entries are especially relevant imo to his reputation for CREDIBILITY (or lack of it) and how his claims about someone's confession may be viewed.

2002….”CONSPIRACY/FORGERY,COUNTERFEITING,APPLICATION FRAUD”
2007…. “FORGERY,COUNTERFEITING,APPLICATION FRAUD”
2010…. “CONSPIRACY/FORGERY,COUNTERFEITING,APPLICATION FRAUD” **

Basically the IN. Statute re Counterfeiting & Forgery*** is the criminal offense of lying in written form, and his lies were so serious as to warrant criminal convictions.

I did not say his stmts could never be credible, but in light of his crim record re counterfeiting & forgery, personally I’m inclined to consider any stmts – oral, written, even under oath – that Davis makes w a jaundiced eye, but jmo. YMMV
(eta: a couple edits to clarify)
_____________________________
* IN Dept of Corrections

Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

www.in.gov

** This may be a re-commitment for violation of parole.
*** IN. Statute re Counterfeiting & Forgery

2024 Indiana Code :: Title 35. Criminal Law and Procedure :: Article 43. Offenses Against Property :: Chapter 5. Forgery, Fraud, and Other Deceptions :: 35-43-5-2. Counterfeiting; Forgery

Justia Free Databases of U.S. Laws, Codes & Statutes

law.justia.com

Thank you for your well-thought-out <modsnip: Removed snark> post. All fair points. However, none of this changes what might be a fact, that a man confessed with details only the killer would know (throats cut) just a few months after the murders. And that person was not Richard Allen.

As always, everything I write is my opinion. JMO, IMO, MOO

 

[TTF14]

Can someone please explain how a jailhouse snitch is more credible than an actual alibi? I'm genuinely confused as to why RLs alibi has suddenly been forgotten??

Nobody said it is.

My position is "reasonable doubt," not "this is proof."

As always, everything I write is my opinion.

 

[BexLuth0r]

Nobody said it is.

My position is "reasonable doubt," not "this is proof."

As always, everything I write is my opinion.

But surely an alibi does not allow reasonable doubt? If it's proven he can't have been in the area to cut their throats, how does a confession create reasonable doubt?

I'm genuinely curious, not trying to attack or anything? Just trying to understand

 

[TTF14]

But surely an alibi does not allow reasonable doubt? If it's proven he can't have been in the area to cut their throats, how does a confession create reasonable doubt?

I'm genuinely curious, not trying to attack or anything? Just trying to understand

Me too! As with Richard Allen, I'm trying to understand why a man would confess to a crime he didn't commit.

JMO MOO IMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Can someone please explain how a jailhouse snitch is more credible than an actual alibi? I'm genuinely confused as to why RLs alibi has suddenly been forgotten??

IMO
I don't think anyone has forgotten RL's alibi. It's just really strange to see a jailhouse snitch talking about things "only the killer would know" back in 2017 = especially the box cutter.

 

[tlcya]

Can someone please explain how a jailhouse snitch is more credible than an actual alibi? I'm genuinely confused as to why RLs alibi has suddenly been forgotten??

it isn't but the defense lists that ALLEGED jailhouse confession in their most recent filing asking the court to "correct" what it calls mistakes the court made in the trial. There is nothing new in this motion, it is simply a more concise regurgitation of defense arguments that were made during trial that were not found compelling enough to allow Baldwin and Rozzi to admit the "evidence" they wanted.

It is a more coherent version of an argument that Baldwin and Rozzi failed to make successfully and is being filed simply to attempt to further prop up a future appeal. JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Can someone please explain how a jailhouse snitch is more credible than an actual alibi? I'm genuinely confused as to why RLs alibi has suddenly been forgotten??

All one has to do is see one person had an alibi that checked out. The other, welllllll……if that came from the girl’s phone it just couldn’t have been him.

And once again the merry go round takes off.

MOO

 

[Trebor5591]

There is so much reasonable doubt in this case, it's crazy. More than I've seen in any other case I've followed. Especially now with everything that's coming out post-trial. I'm afraid there will never be justice for Abby and Libby . I truly don't understand how anyone can look at this case and not admit the loads of reasonable doubt.

As always, JMO. Everything I write is my opinion.

IMO, the "reasonable doubt" you speak of is really not reasonable doubt, but the result of the defense trying the case in the media instead of in the courtroom. And there was justice for Libby and Abby--their murderer will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. IMO

 

[Vaderman]

Murder Sheet part 2 interview with NM:

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland: Part Two

We interviewed Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland. In this episode, we spoke with him about his experience at the trial of Richard Allen. Pre-order...

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Murder Sheet Motion To Correct Errors:

The Delphi Murders: Motion to Correct Errors

We discuss the latest defense filing in the Richard Allen case. Pre-order our book on Delphi here:...

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Murder Sheet interviews Carroll County Chief Deputy Prosecutor Stacey Diener, part 1:

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Prosecutor Stacey Diener: Part One

We interviewed Carroll County Chief Deputy Prosecutor Stacey Diener. In this episode, we spoke with her about her extensive background in prosecution and her...

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Holy smokes, Murder Sheet has been busy! I can't wait to get caught up on the latest episodes.

 

[INfisherman]

IMO, the "reasonable doubt" you speak of is really not reasonable doubt, but the result of the defense trying the case in the media instead of in the courtroom. And there was justice for Libby and Abby--their murderer will spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. IMO

100% agree & would add that IMO they weren’t fully prepared for the trial & also feel they’ve been playing for the appeal all along.

MOO

Holy smokes, Murder Sheet has been busy! I can't wait to get caught up on the latest episodes.

Yeah they have been. Should be an interview with Luttrull (sp?) coming soon as well. I’d suggest getting the MTC one out of the way first, as it might be better to end on higher notes versus absurdity. Just a suggestion, but by all means you do you bud.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Ricci, Inmate Who Said RA Confessed to Him

snipped for focus @tlcya Thx for digging in.

"His record includes: Possession of meth, forgery, fraud, theft, burglary, receiving stolen property, and dealing in meth."

Seems to be a man of many talents but lacking one skill which would have been beneficial to him: evading arrest.

Ricci Davis.

Add another talent that seems to be lacking in his case: passing a polygraph test.

This "Interview" with Hansard and Davis where the alleged confession happens, is actually during a polygraph interview. Tip taken by Indiana State Sergeant Hansard (who is a polygrapher) in which Ricci Davis talks about RL allegedly confessing.

27 minutes in.

Not that the Defence's filing here (1/20/2025) actually mentions it as they only copy in bits of the udder Ricci's letter, but via the actual exhibit 4b (at approx the 44 minute mark), his numbers show he failed his polygraph. Are the D Team hoping the Courts don't actually look at/read the actual exhibits and are hoping to slide this through? Again, I wish them good luck with that.

He scored a -7 on his poly: https://www.stat.cmu.edu/tr/tr766/tr766.pdf

A grand total score of +6 and greater indicates nondeception, -6 and less deception, and anything in between is considered an inconclusive result.

I'm not surprised given that RD is already a convicted liar (in writing).

Very, very credible guy yeah? Besides the fact the RL was fully alibied up and we know he did not commit these murders.

 

[iamshadow21]

Ricci Davis.

Add another talent that seems to be lacking in his case: passing a polygraph test.

This "Interview" with Hansard and Davis where the alleged confession happens, is actually during a polygraph interview. Tip taken by Indiana State Sergeant Hansard (who is a polygrapher) in which Ricci Davis talks about RL allegedly confessing.

27 minutes in.

Not that the Defence's filing here (1/20/2025) actually mentions it as they only copy in bits of the udder Ricci's letter, but via the actual exhibit 4b (at approx the 44 minute mark), his numbers show he failed his polygraph. Are the D Team hoping the Courts don't actually look at/read the actual exhibits and are hoping to slide this through? Again, I wish them good luck with that.

He scored a -7 on his poly: https://www.stat.cmu.edu/tr/tr766/tr766.pdf


I'm not surprised given that RD is already a convicted liar (in writing).

Very, very credible guy yeah?

I don't believe any polygraph result is admissible in court. They're just not consistently reliable across all people. Some people ace them despite lying their butts off, some innocent people read as deceptive due to heightened stress or emotions, and a whole lot of people test inconclusive for a plethora of reasons.

Polygraphs are only really useful, IMO, in putting pressure on a suspect or a witness and seeing how they react and what they say as a result. They're not a 'lie detector', they're an interrogation tool, and a pseudo scientific one.

MOO

 

[Vern]

I don't believe any polygraph result is admissible in court. They're just not consistently reliable across all people. Some people ace them despite lying their butts off, some innocent people read as deceptive due to heightened stress or emotions, and a whole lot of people test inconclusive for a plethora of reasons.

Polygraphs are only really useful, IMO, in putting pressure on a suspect or a witness and seeing how they react and what they say as a result. They're not a 'lie detector', they're an interrogation tool, and a pseudo scientific one.

MOO

I 10 000% agree. But it all goes towards credibility of the witness especially when it is already a known fact that RL was alibed and did not commit these murders. Weight.

 

[Sillybilly]

IMO
I don't think anyone has forgotten RL's alibi. It's just really strange to see a jailhouse snitch talking about things "only the killer would know" back in 2017 = especially the box cutter.

The info that the girls' throats were cut was out there in the rumor mill very early on (around the time of their funerals), posted at Websleuths, but posts were removed as it was not sourced in MSM or from LE.

 

[TTF14]

The info that the girls' throats were cut was out there in the rumor mill very early on (around the time of their funerals), posted at Websleuths, but posts were removed as it was not sourced in MSM or from LE.

I agree it was out there as rumor, like the van.