GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[Salah11]

I just watched the video and am I missing something when people don’t hear fear?

Libby sounds like she is crying and sniffling and Abby literally bolts off the bridge in fear to get away from the scary man who is alarmingly closing in on her. It's amazing how Libby kept her head to record RA despite the terror she must have been feeling.

ETA - I am even more convinced it’s RA as you can see how short he is behind Abby.

 

[mrjitty]

I just watched the video and am I missing something when people don’t hear fear?

Libby sounds like she is crying and sniffling and Abby literally bolts off the bridge in fear to get away from the scary man who is alarmingly closing in on her. It's amazing how Libby kept her head to record RA despite the terror she must have been feeling.

ETA - I am even more convinced it’s RA as you can see how short he is behind Libby.

Everything makes so much sense when you realise team D watched this video, looked at their client, looked at his pre-trial admissions and realised how deep a hole they were in.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Which version and exhibit # is the released video? IIRC there was more than one submitted at trial, at least the original and an enhanced version. Before I decide if anyone was being untruthful about what they observed at the trial I would like this information. Thanks!

Here are the versions and exhibit numbers, included in this filing by Twist Media:
200: raw video from LG’s phone of the bridge (only 30 of the 43 seconds)
207: 43 second audio clip enhanced by Chapman
209: raw video from LG’s phone on the bridge in its entirety
246: enhanced version of the “Bridge Guy” video

_Twist Media LLC's Amended Motion to Intervene and to Compel Access to Public Trial Exhibits.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[Tealgrove]

When he says DTH he says it like it was a foregone conclusion. There’s a finality in the word hill. Not sure I’m describing it correctly.

He knew what was coming and he knew the girls knew.

Terrifying stuff.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

I just watched the video and am I missing something when people don’t hear fear?

Libby sounds like she is crying and sniffling and Abby literally bolts off the bridge in fear to get away from the scary man who is alarmingly closing in on her. It's amazing how Libby kept her head to record RA despite the terror she must have been feeling.

ETA - I am even more convinced it’s RA as you can see how short he is behind Abby.

Abby’s voice is trembling. MOO. She is scared.

 

[maamager]

Rsbm

100% this
As a female living on this planet who unfortunately has a freeze/fawn response when I feel threatened or in danger by men, these girl's voices just resonated with me.

I'm scared, but maybe I'm overreacting, I don't want to offend this person, act normal, oh they addressed me? we made eye contact? Keep sweet. Be polite. Please let this pass...

bbm + snipped

yes. 1000% yes. to add on, I’m from the next state over and any midwestern woman or girl has the burden of keeping sweet & staying polite. no one is gonna tell me that those poor girls weren’t terrified. still braver than I would have been.

my heart sinks for their family.

 

[Tealgrove]

At about 7 seconds in, I see Abby stop and whisper "he has a gun." Then I hear an audible gasp from Libby.

A lot of people don't hear what I'm hearing though.

I hear it. She’s quite breathless and whispering. So that gun was in view before Abby ran off the Bridge.

 

[Tealgrove]

Kinda funny in a sick way to realize it was the defence who released the video.

They’ve been forever telling us he wasn’t there, it was somebody else.

Now they’ve shown us RA was there. THEY put their “innocent” client on the bridge.

Whoa! This Defence Team need to go back to school.

MOO

 

[Salah11]

I wonder if something had happened on the bridge before Libby starts filming and just stands there waiting for Abby and Ricky. It also seems like she is upset and had been crying before she turned the camera on.

This can never be repeated enough but Libby is just an absolute angel to not run and do what the majority of people would do in such a situation. She definitely had time to get away but she stayed by her best friend until the end.

 

[Megnut]

I wonder if something had happened on the bridge before Libby starts filming and just stands there waiting for Abby and Ricky. It also seems like she is upset and had been crying before she turned the camera on.

This can never be repeated enough but Libby is just an absolute angel to not run and do what the majority of people would do in such a situation. She definitely had time to get away but she stayed by her best friend until the end.

We will likely never know what it was, but Abby and Libby most certainly passed Richard Allen prior to the video. Where exactly I can't say but within a minute or two of the mouth of the bridge, circa 2pm.

That encounter IMO was not neutral. He said or did something that made his rapid approach even more alarming.

Gray Hughes shows the area off the side of the path, essentially DTH. He even notes that the leaves are already disturbed. 1:52.00

I think Richard Allen came to the bridge that day armed with a gun, armed with a motive and armed with a strategy. He may have bowed out of lunch in Peru, not out of anger like some of us guessed, but because he learned it was a school free day.

He arrived at 1:30, passed the juveniles who said he looked like he was on a mission. IMO he crossed the bridge, went DTH, to scope out the area, leave nothing to chance. Then he crossed the bridge again, stopping at the first platform, where BB saw him. He was in fact waiting. Did he see BB? Was BB a potential victim? Or a potential witness? Did he follow her, encountering Abby and Libby as he did so? Was he on the platform as they arrived at the bridge? Was he on the path? On a bench? What did he say to them? How did he look at them? I shudder to think what it might have been. It wasn't nothing.

JMO

 

[newbysleuther]

I can't believe the grifters are now saying BG is tall (and their boy 'Ricky' is short), the girls aren't scared, and even suggesting BG is Mike Patty. I've never seen a group so obsessed with freeing a guy who literally confessed. I pose the question - if he is "factually innocent" as they claim, would they allow their child to sleep in the same house as him, alone? I highly doubt it. There could be a verifiable video of him committing the crime that shows his face clearly and they'd still say it isn't him, it's exhausting.

 

[susane7]

I just watched the video and am I missing something when people don’t hear fear?

Libby sounds like she is crying and sniffling and Abby literally bolts off the bridge in fear to get away from the scary man who is alarmingly closing in on her. It's amazing how Libby kept her head to record RA despite the terror she must have been feeling.

ETA - I am even more convinced it’s RA as you can see how short he is behind Abby.

I agree. Abby looks completely terrified and Libby also but she was trying to rationalize, trying to calm down herself


IMO The video shows BG is the perpretator and the solo perpretator. No more men in the video.

Also it shows a short guy. Obviously it isn't Ron Logan, Kline, Brian Holder, neither the odinists etc. It matches RA body frame.

 

[caribou_birdie]

I hear it. She’s quite breathless and whispering. So that gun was in view before Abby ran off the Bridge.

Ive been off of this case for a while, can someone point me to the video you are referring to?

 

[Sweeper2000]

This guy must have had evil coursing through his veins for years, to have committed and been able to commit such an act of inhuman brutality and profound evil makes me wonder if this was a first for him? it's almost unbelievable to think. I have literally never heard a voice that oozes that level of cold before. it's piercing and shocking to hear. Totally gut wrenching. quite a clear example fo how evil can live amongst us and not give a single indication as to what they are capable of which is perhaps the worst part.

The first words from him give an indication that he crossed that bridge knowing exactly what he was going to do.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Rsbm

100% this
As a female living on this planet who unfortunately has a freeze/fawn response when I feel threatened or in danger by men, these girl's voices just resonated with me.

I'm scared, but maybe I'm overreacting, I don't want to offend this person, act normal, oh they addressed me? we made eye contact? Keep sweet. Be polite. Please let this pass...

Personal anecdote/example (my fawn/freeze response turns into fight when other people are in danger) - I have a video I was filming on a subway train when a passenger started screaming they had a suicide vest After pulling the emergency alarm and arriving into the station everyone ran off the train except for the person threatening and one other lady... I realized the person was just having a mental health crisis and probably wasn't a danger, I ran back onto the train though to get the female passenger to leave. Watching my video back I say to the female passenger "excuse me..." and the fake-bomber said "yes?" And in the tiniest most awkward voice I squeak out "oh no, I'm sorry, not you.." to this potential terrorist. Listening back to my video after I can laugh at myself for being awkward in a terrifying situation, but hearing that tiny little "hi" in the bridge video just took me back to my own experience... oh they addressed me? we made eye contact? Keep sweet. Be polite. Please let this pass...

I agree with what you’re saying completely.
All of us women on this thread, former young girls like Libby and Abby, recognize that fear in their voices. We understand the mental gymnastics taking place.
Terrifying.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I think Libby says something about a path as she runs past Libby.
I think her inclination was to keep running, straight off the bridge through the edge of the woods there toward the houses.
As we’ve discussed before Libby had been warned about trespassing by one of the homeowners, and was hesitant about that, saying something like “but the path ends here”.
I think they did give thought to going down the hill on their own, but there was so little time to make a decision. And RA had a gun.

 

[Arkay]

I agree with what you’re saying completely.
All of us women on this thread, former young girls like Libby and Abby, recognize that fear in their voices. We understand the mental gymnastics taking place.
Terrifying.

yes. 1000% yes. to add on, I’m from the next state over and any midwestern woman or girl has the burden of keeping sweet & staying polite. no one is gonna tell me that those poor girls weren’t terrified. still braver than I would have been.

So, so true.

Even from here on my couch, I feel that primal fear and a knot in my stomach.

Women and girls everywhere feel anxious when a strange man is coming up too close behind us.

I’m a lifelong New Yorker, so not Midwestern nice, but watching this video reminded me of something that happened when I was that age.

When my twin and I were 12 and my best friend was 13, we were walking over something that was referred to as “the Trestle.” It’s just a walkway that allows pedestrians to walk over a busy highway. There’s a lot to do in NYC so no one I ever knew walked over rickety bridges for fun, but this was a popular and crowded shortcut.

Plenty of people, nothing to fear; when suddenly to our right, a man was walking towards us with his penis hanging out. He was laughing maniacally. We all reflexively turned our heads away. He kept walking and so did we.

End of that story. This was decades and decades before cable TV, the Internet, cell phones, true crime shows, podcasts etc. so I don’t think we were habituated into thinking we’d be murdered. But it was very unsettling and here I have three grandchildren now and still can see it, now that I’ve been reminded.

I can’t clearly hear everything the girls are saying, but I 100% can hear the tension in their voices and the brief effort of trying to figure out what to do before he’s on them in a flash.


JMO and experience. I always tell the men in my life that they walk in a way that is very different from women. They aren’t perpetually sizing up their surroundings as women typically have to do.

Additional personal incidents with strange men are flooding back to my mind now. I’m uncomfortable just remembering.

I feel overwhelmed with wanting to save the girls and I’d guess that’s unanimous here.

Again, JMO and experience. Shared by most women here, I believe.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I gnuinely don't believe they realised how much danger they were in, if they did they would have ran as fast as possible. they did have an opportunity as he was still on the bridge. I don't believe the human mind quite jumps to "this guy is going to kill us" and im almost certain of that with the way libby said "hi". I would guess that they are in the inbetween of being in a situation of what I call the "unknown", in descriptive terms i would describe it as being without a compass or direction so they just don't know the right course of action and remain indecisive with it. I personally wouldn't expect more from two kids. That "unknown" is a horrible place to be and something we all deal with. its when you are confronted with something you just have no experience with and so ofc memory is of no use you dont know this place and its incredibly dificult to know where you put your feet to take yourself into safety. its not quite flight or fight its the inbetween of the two.

 

[INfisherman]

How depressing. This is going to be on my mind for quite some time. I don’t get the impression there was anything playful going on after Abby looks up at the camera & asks "Is he behind me?" & then, "Don’t leave me," & finally hearing almost a whimper as she runs by Libby as she says, "that be a gun."

I’m not positive but the sound of a gun possibly being racked comes in just after "Guys" & before "DTH". Sounds almost like a twig snapping but to me just doesn’t sound quite right for a twig.

 

[Sweeper2000]

honest advice to people who fidn themselves in a similar situation to this is stay visible and around people. Predators look for situations where they can avoid discovery and consequences. I totally understand situational anxiety as many folks on here describe such as strange men on the street but how often is it these situations ended with negative events? if so that probably means these situations are safer than one may anticipate especially in the presence of others. We know the stats don't we? you are far far more likely to be hurt by someone known to you.

and for heavens sake don't just spray people with pepper spray for being on the same trail, im a hiker and i hike alone most of the time the thought of being sprayed for being present is quite hurtful. I can assure you i recognise if someone is scared and will make efforts to convey I am no threat,I won't lock my gaze on you and will turn my body away from you, if that doesnt work I will kneel and look in the other direction. nearly everyone recognises that as being no threat. if that doesnt work, i will take my bag off, drop it and run in the opposite direction.