GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[steeltowngirl]

Short clip with discussion of bullet and KA asking if he was on the bridge. And JH losing his cool.

 

[INfisherman]

Except for the image that "couldn't be him if it came from their camera" and the bullet he likely had forgotten about, I think he was confident he left no DNA. Because he didn't commit rape and anything he did do could have, would have been washed away in the creek.

In fact IMO that is why he forced them across the creek. Partially clad, or barely clad if at all, for LG.

Closer to the truth, RA might have heard/seen BW's van after the river crossing. If he heard it, so did the girls who might have tried to get away, BW being their only hope (unless AW could get away with the phone).

And RA wasn't about to let any such things happen, delivering lethal injuries and then watching while the girls slowly succumbed to those barbaric wounds.

He remains more concerned about his sorry self than the two lives he's butchered.

Sadistic.

JMO

I do not disagree at all - I’m simply shocked he remained so confident given what could have been left behind. Once that round came out, DNA could have been on it (sure he likely took measures to wipe it or wore gloves when loading the mag) but hairs, fibers, etc. any minute thing besides the ejector marks could have been a larger nail in the coffin. He just never figured on time likely being one of the major contributors to his downfall, kind of like our boy sitting up in Idaho, with his missing sheath.

I don’t wish to sound complementary towards the slime - I just am really taken aback at how practiced he seemed after having watched those videos.

Human garbage & wow did he pick a gullible wife. I despise her probably more than him. 2 sniveling, whiny peas in a pod.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I do not disagree at all - I’m simply shocked he remained so confident given what could have been left behind. Once that round came out, DNA could have been on it (sure he likely took measures to wipe it or wore gloves when loading the mag) but hairs, fibers, etc. any minute thing besides the ejector marks could have been a larger nail in the coffin. He just never figured on time likely being one of the major contributors to his downfall, kind of like our boy sitting up in Idaho, with his missing sheath.

I don’t wish to sound complementary towards the slime - I just am really taken aback at how practiced he seemed after having watched those videos.

Human garbage & wow did he pick a gullible wife. I despise her probably more than him. 2 sniveling, whiny peas in a pod.

JMO

He had 5 years to prepare and rehearse for when police would come calling. That’s how he was able to remain calm and collected. It infuriated Holeman, who unfortunately lost his cool, which then became the element of the interview that defenders latched onto, ignoring RA’s deception.

I don’t know what to think about his wife. If she knew, and was putting on a good show in the interview room, then she was in grave danger for those 5 years. The ‘ol two can keep a secret….

If she really was that gullible - didn’t ask questions over the years, didn’t recognize her own husband’s voice and gait - then she’s lucky they arrested him when they did. His cover was blown. Had they not arrested him that day, and had she gone home with him after hearing the evidence, she might have finally confronted him. He could have flown into a rage. She’s lucky to be alive.

jmo

 

[steeltowngirl]

Not to brag but retail supervisor was my number one thought on BGs profession. Here my earliest post on it.



Post in thread 'IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #74'
IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #74

You nailed the type of gun too. Many, many, many threads ago.

 

[katydid23]

Watching the interview videos. I’m going to say just from these two videos I found RA to be much more believable than I thought he would be. I came away feeling a bit rattled tbh.

He seemed very confident in himself, possibly paraphrasing on my part, "There’s no way it was me." "You don’t have anything on me." "No one else could’ve seen me." "There’s just no way."

How could he be so certain? Sure, he could’ve followed BB to make sure she was heading away from MHB. But anyone could’ve come down from Mears. Surely he was aware of the potential for DNA (a stray hair or fiber) at the CS?

I can’t specifically put my finger on it but there were times where either his responses seemed just off somehow or he just wasn’t acting like I’d expect someone being grilled to act. At times he seemed almost cocky to me - and some of his wording was flat out odd.

JMO

"If that picture was taken by her, then that's not me...."

what an odd way to answer.

 

[steeltowngirl]

"If that picture was taken by her, then that's not me...."

what an odd way to answer.

Yep. And these gems.

“I think nothing you have is going to show me near the murder scene.”

“There’s no way possible that a round from my gun ended up at a murder scene.”

He’s straight up taunting JH since he felt sure he’d left no usable DNA, knew the murder weapon was actually a knife, and didn’t realize he’d dropped a shell.

jmo

 

[KSwizzle]

MOO but I think the investigation was awful, I think it was all mostly circumstantial that had reasonable doubt in some areas and the racked spent bullet is not a perfect science, please correct me if I'm wrong but it COULD have been from another gun of the same model/year/factory and there's millions of guns in the country (no idea how many of that specific gun is in the country but neither did the police it seems). I think all of it they just got lucky in the end not because they did "good" police work but they got a break, a break from someone who didn't even get paid. I do think RA did it, but there are definitely holes in the timeline and how it happened as the police are saying, and seeing these interrogation videos they're also lucky he was too full of himself to lawyer up instantly even when he was first interviewed within a week or whatever of the murders.

There's so many cases that should be solved but due to poor police work might not ever be and this was on that list for a long time, and even Holeman losing his cool at the end of the second interview is like come on, MOO

RA seems like the type who will never admit to it even on his death bed, not really a lot of justice with those types of losers

 

[INfisherman]

He had 5 years to prepare and rehearse for when police would come calling. That’s how he was able to remain calm and collected. It infuriated Holeman, who unfortunately lost his cool, which then became the element of the interview that defenders latched onto, ignoring RA’s deception.

I don’t know what to think about his wife. If she knew, and was putting on a good show in the interview room, then she was in grave danger for those 5 years. The ‘ol two can keep a secret….

If she really was that gullible - didn’t ask questions over the years, didn’t recognize her own husband’s voice and gait - then she’s lucky they arrested him when they did. His cover was blown. Had they not arrested him that day, and had she gone home with him after hearing the evidence, she might have finally confronted him. He could have flown into a rage. She’s lucky to be alive.

jmo

True, I keep forgetting the time lapse. I’m a bit scatterbrained this evening - stayed up way too late watching that 5 hour Webster content last night, going from memory with that content & spent 2 hours before dark trying to get a groundhog out of a garage.

"If that picture was taken by her, then that's not me...."

what an odd way to answer.

It was also odd how he approached the HHS still image of his vehicle. He never would confirm or deny if it was his vehicle. There was such a change once the small talk type of questions ended & evidence started coming out during that first interview with SM & TL.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

MOO but I think the investigation was awful, I think it was all mostly circumstantial that had reasonable doubt in some areas and the racked spent bullet is not a perfect science, please correct me if I'm wrong but it COULD have been from another gun of the same model/year/factory and there's millions of guns in the country (no idea how many of that specific gun is in the country but neither did the police it seems). I think all of it they just got lucky in the end not because they did "good" police work but they got a break, a break from someone who didn't even get paid. I do think RA did it, but there are definitely holes in the timeline and how it happened as the police are saying, and seeing these interrogation videos they're also lucky he was too full of himself to lawyer up instantly even when he was first interviewed within a week or whatever of the murders.

There's so many cases that should be solved but due to poor police work might not ever be and this was on that list for a long time, and even Holeman losing his cool at the end of the second interview is like come on, MOO

RA seems like the type who will never admit to it even on his death bed, not really a lot of justice with those types of losers

I don’t disagree but Delphi isn’t where the cream of the crop of LE goes for a career nor is it going to have bottomless pockets for funding. They were overwhelmed & disorganized for years. No clear people in charge. Mistakes happen for many reasons. Once they had realized the mistakes, it didn’t take them long to lay focus where it should be. LE gets lucky many, many times with murders. No difference here other than how the defense handled things.

The vast majority of evidence is circumstantial but there is a mountain of it & the timeline at the very minimum up to the point of DTH is pretty solid. Not even his lawyers could throw a wrench into that. The prosecution never gave a specific choreography of events once he led them towards the creek. LG’s phone ceasing to log movement was the only other time that really mattered because somewhere around that time is when things went south quickly.

He saw the group of girls, they saw him. He was on the bridge, admitted to it & never saw another person that day, not even another male who could have come from the NW end (no other BG).

The round was a non-factor at trial but it gave LE the ammo (no pun intended) to get the PCA for the search warrant which resulted in his arrest & added some other small pieces of evidence.

RA did the rest by himself with his phone calls while incarcerated. His lawyers likely did more harm than help as far as what occurred in the courtroom & their chosen strategies. They were too distracted by attempting to muddy the waters outside the courtroom & inventing false narratives or outright lies concerning claims of "new evidence".

100% agree RA is unlikely to admit to anything, at least in the near future. If he does, it likely will be lies or at best half truths.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

You nailed the type of gun too. Many, many, many threads ago.

Thanks for remembering
I am sure the police did too.
Wonder if he bought the Sig private party.

 

[Willow Knight]

MOO but I think the investigation was awful, I think it was all mostly circumstantial that had reasonable doubt in some areas and the racked spent bullet is not a perfect science, please correct me if I'm wrong but it COULD have been from another gun of the same model/year/factory and there's millions of guns in the country (no idea how many of that specific gun is in the country but neither did the police it seems). I think all of it they just got lucky in the end not because they did "good" police work but they got a break, a break from someone who didn't even get paid. I do think RA did it, but there are definitely holes in the timeline and how it happened as the police are saying, and seeing these interrogation videos they're also lucky he was too full of himself to lawyer up instantly even when he was first interviewed within a week or whatever of the murders.

There's so many cases that should be solved but due to poor police work might not ever be and this was on that list for a long time, and even Holeman losing his cool at the end of the second interview is like come on, MOO

RA seems like the type who will never admit to it even on his death bed, not really a lot of justice with those types of losers

I also remember to note the fact this particular bullet was left at the crime scene the same day the girls were butchered. Same bullet left at crime scene where little man was on the bridge that day. What are the odds another bullet was left there the same day the girls were killed? How and why do I know it was left the same day? Because it was NOT weathered.

No way on this Earth do I believe another person just happened to drop a bullet that came from little man's gun. It was dropped the same day the girls were killed. IMO

 

[INfisherman]

Thanks for remembering
I am sure the police did too.
Wonder if he bought the Sig private party.

I recall someone mentioning the outline was unmistakable. It wasn’t too long after I began posting. I’m not a gun person, so that was a mental note which stuck with me for some reason. Nicely done, regardless. I do recall a bit from the recent interviews where LE asked when he bought it & he wasn’t able to recall & I believe they replied with the year (2001 I thought). Unsure if private sales are tracked but I am fairly certain new guns would have that info available to LE here in IN.

 

[Boxer]

^Doug Carter called that one, too.

“We know that this is about power for you, and you want to know what we know,” Carter said. “One day, you will.”

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/police-to-discuss-new-direction-in-delphi-murder-investigation-significant-developments-expected/

Yes and I always wondered about the 2019 Presser at the Canal Center when Carter was talking about the perpetrator being nearby.
CVS is 800 yards from the Canal Center as the crow flies.
So that turned out to be true.

 

[KSwizzle]

I also remember to note the fact this particular bullet was left at the crime scene the same day the girls were butchered. Same bullet left at crime scene where little man was on the bridge that day. What are the odds another bullet was left there the same day the girls were killed? How and why do I know it was left the same day? Because it was NOT weathered.

No way on this Earth do I believe another person just happened to drop a bullet that came from little man's gun. It was dropped the same day the girls were killed. IMO

I absolutely do not disagree with you, but if the science says it could be from another gun of the same model at least a cursory look into if there were registered guns of the same model in the area, obviously it all falls apart because I do not believe Indiana has a gun registry.

I think also I’m a bit surprised that he left a bullet after seeing the interrogations and how smooth and unbothered he was, maybe it was just years of practicing but the RA in the interrogations seems calculated and purposely thoughtful of his actions

 

[Boxer]

I recall someone mentioning the outline was unmistakable. It wasn’t too long after I began posting. I’m not a gun person, so that was a mental note which stuck with me for some reason. Nicely done, regardless. I do recall a bit from the recent interviews where LE asked when he bought it & he wasn’t able to recall & I believe they replied with the year (2001 I thought). Unsure if private sales are tracked but I am fairly certain new guns would have that info available to LE here in IN.

MOO Tracking sales depend on state rules.

 

[Boxer]

MOO "did something with the gun" meant he was racking it, as he drew it from his right jacket pocket, slide first. This puts the guns ejection port towards his body and an ejected round had every chance to get hung up in his clothing.

 

[New Penny]

Not to brag but retail supervisor was my number one thought on BGs profession. Here my earliest post on it.



Post in thread 'IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #74'
IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #74

Websleuthers are the bomb! Awesome Boxer!

 

[INfisherman]

MOO Tracking sales depend on state rules.

Of course.

IIRC, private sales by non-licensed sellers do not require ATF paperwork or background checks (used guns, etc.). Handgun sales made by licensed dealers (new or used) do require the ATF paperwork & background check to be made prior to the buyer possessing the firearm. Laws are different for long guns. No law to register any gun here, it’s voluntary. No permit required to carry a handgun - a law change within the past 2-5 years.

MOO because it’s late but that’s essentially it here in IN from my understanding.

 

[Boxer]

MOO but I think the investigation was awful, I think it was all mostly circumstantial that had reasonable doubt in some areas and the racked spent bullet is not a perfect science, please correct me if I'm wrong but it COULD have been from another gun of the same model/year/factory and there's millions of guns in the country (no idea how many of that specific gun is in the country but neither did the police it seems). I think all of it they just got lucky in the end not because they did "good" police work but they got a break, a break from someone who didn't even get paid. I do think RA did it, but there are definitely holes in the timeline and how it happened as the police are saying, and seeing these interrogation videos they're also lucky he was too full of himself to lawyer up instantly even when he was first interviewed within a week or whatever of the murders.

There's so many cases that should be solved but due to poor police work might not ever be and this was on that list for a long time, and even Holeman losing his cool at the end of the second interview is like come on, MOO

RA seems like the type who will never admit to it even on his death bed, not really a lot of justice with those types of losers

Agree.

 

[FromGermany1]

Short clip with discussion of bullet and KA asking if he was on the bridge. And JH losing his cool.

When they discussed the bullet, I even meant to hear: "bullet at MY crime scene". It can't be, that he said this, can it be??