GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[KSwizzle]

I fully believe that if he knew about the video he would not have come forward, I imagine he was probably shocked when that was made public moo

 

[Megnut]

This was before Libby's video was released. I think he was implying that the "weird" girl with black hair murdered the two younger girls she was with.

Possible.

Also possible he thought he was hedging his bets. Too sound credible. I saw a group of girls. See, you can believe me. I didn't see any just-two girls.

Flubbed. In that short interval (if he hasn't murdered them) could he be CERTAIN Abby and Libby weren't part of the group of juveniles? Whoops it's.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Interview of Leggitt.

Reading of the deposition.

For anyone who doesn't have time to read them, this is like the audio book of it. Can speed it up too.

If you watch, he's got good photographs.

1 hour 47 m

 

[shonyakay]

He was probably also annoyed that their group was too large to control. I think he was looking for adolescent, even prepubescent girls, but four was too large a group for him to feel confident in his ability to control them.

MOO

"I would go at least two or three times a week, sometimes every day, and sometimes I'd go twice a day. I'd usually just go to take pictures or sometimes just to take a walk when it was nice out, that's about it. I went by myself pretty often, but sometimes I would bring friends or a sibling with me if someone wanted to tag along." - RV's trial testimony

"We may go once a month, we may go twice a week." - RA's 10/13/22 interview

 

[shonyakay]

I fully believe that if he knew about the video he would not have come forward, I imagine he was probably shocked when that was made public moo

I have wondered if him seeing and hearing that second sketch press conference freaked him out so much that he threatened suicide?

"We believe you are hiding in plain sight."

"We know this is about power to you and you want to know what we know and one day you will."

Did KA and/or another family member recognize his walk and voice after Libby's video clip was released and confront him?

That second sketch presser was held in April 2019. KA said she had RA committed to a mental health facility for 6 months in 2019 or 2020 after he was drinking and put a gun in his mouth and threatened to kill himself.

RA said in prison that he was glad that his family didn't give up on him after he killed Abby and Libby. That sounds like his wife and potentially other family members knew or at least suspected before anyone else.

 

[Boxer]

Creep.

 

[shonyakay]

Agree.
I do think every female at the trails that day, no matter their age, was at risk. He was looking for any female he could isolate, and that group was too big.
My thought has always been he followed Betsy Blair back up the trail hoping to find an opportunity to accost her. When he saw the girls, though, heading toward the High Bridge, he changed his mind and went after

I have considered this as well. That could be a possibility.

There is another possibility too.

When BB reached the barricade she looked in his direction while he was standing on the First platform. She said he appeared to be waiting for someone but by his posture BB didn't feel like she was the one he was waiting for.

So who was he waiting for exactly? Could it be two young girls that he just saw exiting a vehicle at the Mears entrance just minutes earlier?

Remember, he told Liggett and Mullin at some point that he sat on the bench (Mary Gerard Bench) that overlooked the creek at the Mears intersection. He also told them at one point he saw two vehicles, an SUV (Which BB drove) and a sedan (Which KG drove) at the Mears entrance. He also said at one point he may have seen some people down by those cars.

BB passed Hoosier Harvest Store coming from the West to the East at 1:46 p.m. to park at Mears. At 1:48 p.m. Libby unplugged her phone that was charging in KG's car and KG drove past the Mears at 1:49 p.m. from the East to the West after having just dropped off Libby and Abby.

Something to consider, there is a cut through from the Mary Gerard nature trail to the High Bridge trail right before you enter on to the High Bridge.

 

[shonyakay]

I so appreciate the reality based discussions about this case here on Websleuths. When posting about this case in other places I sometimes feel like I've walked into the Twilight Zone. DoDoDoDo... DoDoDoDo. Lol.

 

[Boxer]

I so appreciate the reality based discussions about this case here on Websleuths. When posting about this case in other places I sometimes feel like I've walked into the Twilight Zone. DoDoDoDo... DoDoDoDo. Lol.

True. I never visit them anymore because I don't want to puck up some fiction as a fact.

 

[Megnut]

I have considered this as well. That could be a possibility.

There is another possibility too.

When BB reached the barricade she looked in his direction while he was standing on the First platform. She said he appeared to be waiting for someone but by his posture BB didn't feel like she was the one he was waiting for.

So who was he waiting for exactly? Could it be two young girls that he just saw exiting a vehicle at the Mears entrance just minutes earlier?

Remember, he told Liggett and Mullin at some point that he sat on the bench (Mary Gerard Bench) that overlooked the creek at the Mears intersection. He also told them at one point he saw two vehicles, an SUV (Which BB drove) and a sedan (Which KG drove) at the Mears entrance. He also said at one point he may have seen some people down by those cars.

BB passed Hoosier Harvest Store coming from the West to the East at 1:46 p.m. to park at Mears. At 1:48 p.m. Libby unplugged her phone that was charging in KG's car and KG drove past the Mears at 1:49 p.m. from the East to the West after having just dropped off Libby and Abby.

Something to consider, there is a cut through from the Mary Gerard nature trail to the High Bridge trail right before you enter on to the High Bridge.

This is good analysis, really good.

First I've heard of a shortcut.

Perhaps Ricky was aware that the juveniles left, that BB was walking and that a pair of little girls was dropped off. He may have followed the juveniles and they weren't even aware of it.

Makes a beeline to the bridge... ahead of BB... then has to look casual.... I'm not creepy, I'm just standing here in the platform...

Of course he wouldn't have known where she was headed... probably safe to assume she wasn't going to cross the bridge... maybe he looped behind her to make sure she was leaving, that's when he encountered the girls who he would have known were there (if he saw them being dropped off)... he would have had a good idea that BB was leaving... where was he at 2:07? Following BB far enough to feel confident she was leaving.

Turns around, returns fast and overtakes them at the end of the bridge, knowing there's no one around to see, hear or save them...

I just raised the hairs on the back of my own neck by thinking of what Ricky might have said to the girls at the first encounter (when IMO he passed them) (so he could get behind them) (and also possibly to follow BB to make sure she was leaving). Maybe he said nothing. Maybe he was walking weirdly fast. Maybe he didn't return their greeting. Maybe he scowled. Maybe he stared at them. But what if he spoke?

"See you later."

How creepy would that be?????

True story. I was a teen at a mall. By myself. A grown man approached me. I'm disabled and it wasn't out of the ordinary for people to approach me. He asked me if he could ask me a personal question. That was weird. Then he asked what size my feet were. WAY WEIRD. I don't remember how or whether I answered but I told him I needed to catch up with my dad and went into the nearest mall store, thankfully never saw him again. Filed it a way a WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD .... but in light of Ricky's possible foot fetish, it weirds me out now in a baaaaad way. Ricky could have said ANYTHING to Abby and Libby. Because he knew he was going to kill them. And we know he encountered them once, before following them on to the bridge, because how else could Abby ask if he was behind her?

He could have make a reference to their FEET. Weird, creepy, but if he looked like he was leaving, just like me, they could have shrugged it off.

That's obviously a stretch but since he forced them across the creek barefoot, I can't help but to wonder if that wasn't intentional. To eliminate DNA. He had fourteen minutes alone with them before forcing them into the creek.

One thing is certain, we don't know how horrible those 14 minutes were. Ricky has remained silent any them in particular which means that's the part he's never going to tell.

And all the while those terrified, brave little girls kept the phone hidden from him. Ultimately proving they were abducted by Ricky alone, at 2:13, and ceased movement at 2:32 (putting a hard stop to the Defense fabrication of a ritual sacrifice later in the night).

Ricky unwittingly testifued against himself, first with his original tip/times, and then by confirming he was there when BW returned.

Abby and Libby, the star witnesses. Taking and preserving that video, time-stamping who took them, when and where and how.

JMO

 

[flashy09]

Possible.

Also possible he thought he was hedging his bets. Too sound credible. I saw a group of girls. See, you can believe me. I didn't see any just-two girls.

Flubbed. In that short interval (if he hasn't murdered them) could he be CERTAIN Abby and Libby weren't part of the group of juveniles? Whoops it's.

JMO

I was just thinking about that. How did he know the 3 girls didn't include Abby and Libby. Preteen/teen girls. Most people don't look at faces very hard just passing by. KA says on page 191 that RA denied seeing Abby and Libby and only saw the 3 girls. Wow.

Also, KA says RA barely talked about being on the trails that day. I feel a normal person would bring that up to everyone at work and discuss it a lot with their spouse. It's sort of a traumatic thing to be at the same location of a double murder. I am sure BB and those 3 girls talk about it. But maybe if you look and talk just like the suspect on video you keep it on the down low...

 

[Megnut]

I was just thinking about that. How did he know the 3 girls didn't include Abby and Libby. Preteen/teen girls. Most people don't look at faces very hard just passing by. KA says on page 191 that RA denied seeing Abby and Libby and only saw the 3 girls. Wow.

Also, KA says RA barely talked about being on the trails that day. I feel a normal person would bring that up to everyone at work and discuss it a lot with their spouse. It's sort of a traumatic thing to be at the same location of a double murder. I am sure BB and those 3 girls talk about it. But maybe if you look and talk just like the suspect on video you keep it on the down low...

Exactly.

A normal person would either identify with the victims and be horrified for how close he might have come to being a victim OR identify as a parent and be horrified that he couldn't somehow have saved the girls. Or both.

He really betrayed himself by saying he saw the three girls but not the two girls. What was he doing staring down the girls that he could definitively say they didn't include the two? Shouldn't he have been eager to describe the three girls (and more than just one of them)? He revealed IMO that he knew exactly what Abby and Libby looked like (um because he killed them) with his casual admission he saw three  other girls --

It's telling too that he didn't even bother to count the very little one. Probably gave her zero attention. Not his target population. Clearly he sized the other three up, especially the one with long dark hair. A violation in its own right. He must have thought about it. But control three littles to access the older one, probably didn't think he could manage that.

And to not join the search? Had he done so, he could have tried to claim that he dropped his bullet during the search when he just so happened to find the girls (right where he left them). Gross to hear KA parrot him. That it was any kind of reasonable to avoid the search area... because you might be blamed. Because.... blamed for what? It wasn't a known crime yet. Everyone else believed they were alive, just missing.

He was confessing all over the place.

Plus, by KA's own admission, Ricky was asleep when she got home from work -- that tells me she knows she can't alibi him up until that time.

And then the evidence shows, the girls weren't wandering lost in the woods for a time, didn't leave and come back, didn't fall from the bridge, didn't die from the elements, but were dead around the time the phone stopped moving, before the first searcher started searching.

So, like it or not, she couldn't vouch for his whereabouts or his timing. The BG image certainly didn't rule Ricky out, and his own comments in hindsight should have removed all doubt.

The worst kind of blindness is refusing to see because you don't want to see.

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

This is good analysis, really good.

First I've heard of a shortcut.

Perhaps Ricky was aware that the juveniles left, that BB was walking and that a pair of little girls was dropped off. He may have followed the juveniles and they weren't even aware of it.

Makes a beeline to the bridge... ahead of BB... then has to look casual.... I'm not creepy, I'm just standing here in the platform...

Of course he wouldn't have known where she was headed... probably safe to assume she wasn't going to cross the bridge... maybe he looped behind her to make sure she was leaving, that's when he encountered the girls who he would have known were there (if he saw them being dropped off)... he would have had a good idea that BB was leaving... where was he at 2:07? Following BB far enough to feel confident she was leaving.

Turns around, returns fast and overtakes them at the end of the bridge, knowing there's no one around to see, hear or save them...

I just raised the hairs on the back of my own neck by thinking of what Ricky might have said to the girls at the first encounter (when IMO he passed them) (so he could get behind them) (and also possibly to follow BB to make sure she was leaving). Maybe he said nothing. Maybe he was walking weirdly fast. Maybe he didn't return their greeting. Maybe he scowled. Maybe he stared at them. But what if he spoke?

"See you later."

How creepy would that be?????

True story. I was a teen at a mall. By myself. A grown man approached me. I'm disabled and it wasn't out of the ordinary for people to approach me. He asked me if he could ask me a personal question. That was weird. Then he asked what size my feet were. WAY WEIRD. I don't remember how or whether I answered but I told him I needed to catch up with my dad and went into the nearest mall store, thankfully never saw him again. Filed it a way a WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD .... but in light of Ricky's possible foot fetish, it weirds me out now in a baaaaad way. Ricky could have said ANYTHING to Abby and Libby. Because he knew he was going to kill them. And we know he encountered them once, before following them on to the bridge, because how else could Abby ask if he was behind her?

He could have make a reference to their FEET. Weird, creepy, but if he looked like he was leaving, just like me, they could have shrugged it off.

That's obviously a stretch but since he forced them across the creek barefoot, I can't help but to wonder if that wasn't intentional. To eliminate DNA. He had fourteen minutes alone with them before forcing them into the creek.

One thing is certain, we don't know how horrible those 14 minutes were. Ricky has remained silent any them in particular which means that's the part he's never going to tell.

And all the while those terrified, brave little girls kept the phone hidden from him. Ultimately proving they were abducted by Ricky alone, at 2:13, and ceased movement at 2:32 (putting a hard stop to the Defense fabrication of a ritual sacrifice later in the night).

Ricky unwittingly testifued against himself, first with his original tip/times, and then by confirming he was there when BW returned.

Abby and Libby, the star witnesses. Taking and preserving that video, time-stamping who took them, when and where and how.

JMO

Thanks Megnut. Scary story. I'm glad you're alright.

I have thought that he may have exited the bridge after BB turned around at the barricade and then hid at the edge of the cut through path in between the trees. The girls may have seen him standing in the trees there. How creepy. He waited until they got halfway across the bridge (the 2:07 p.m. photo) and then made his move.

Remember, he said no one saw him, unless they walked behind him. He knew that it was just the girls ahead of him.

 

[FromGermany1]

Thanks Megnut. Scary story. I'm glad you're alright.

I have thought that he may have exited the bridge after BB turned around at the barricade and then hid at the edge of the cut through path in between the trees. The girls may have seen him standing in the trees there. How creepy. He waited until they got halfway across the bridge (the 2:07 p.m. photo) and then made his move.

Remember, he said no one saw him, unless they walked behind him. He knew that it was just the girls ahead of him.

They could have assumed, that he was up to no good in any case. MOO

 

[shonyakay]

I was just thinking about that. How did he know the 3 girls didn't include Abby and Libby. Preteen/teen girls. Most people don't look at faces very hard just passing by. KA says on page 191 that RA denied seeing Abby and Libby and only saw the 3 girls. Wow.

Also, KA says RA barely talked about being on the trails that day. I feel a normal person would bring that up to everyone at work and discuss it a lot with their spouse. It's sort of a traumatic thing to be at the same location of a double murder. I am sure BB and those 3 girls talk about it. But maybe if you look and talk just like the suspect on video you keep it on the down low...

Another thing that is interesting is he never mentioned to the police that he developed pictures for Libby's aunt Tara for the girls memorial telling her not to worry about it that it was covered. Instead he said, "I've never seem 'em before."

 

[Boxer]

Great point to never go anywhere with a stranger, but sometimes the bad person isn't a stranger. I don't think that's the case with Abby and Libby, but they might have known him, or aware of him since he worked at the local pharmacy. The population of Delphi back in 2017 was ~2885.

And as we all know, they didn't willingly go with him, regardless of whether he was a total stranger, or someone they'd seen around town.

Yes. Even though he had a gun and had them point blank, it is terrible that it would have been better for them to get shot in the back running.

Exactly.

A normal person would either identify with the victims and be horrified for how close he might have come to being a victim OR identify as a parent and be horrified that he couldn't somehow have saved the girls. Or both.

He really betrayed himself by saying he saw the three girls but not the two girls. What was he doing staring down the girls that he could definitively say they didn't include the two? Shouldn't he have been eager to describe the three girls (and more than just one of them)? He revealed IMO that he knew exactly what Abby and Libby looked like (um because he killed them) with his casual admission he saw three  other girls --

It's telling too that he didn't even bother to count the very little one. Probably gave her zero attention. Not his target population. Clearly he sized the other three up, especially the one with long dark hair. A violation in its own right. He must have thought about it. But control three littles to access the older one, probably didn't think he could manage that.

And to not join the search? Had he done so, he could have tried to claim that he dropped his bullet during the search when he just so happened to find the girls (right where he left them). Gross to hear KA parrot him. That it was any kind of reasonable to avoid the search area... because you might be blamed. Because.... blamed for what? It wasn't a known crime yet. Everyone else believed they were alive, just missing.

He was confessing all over the place.

Plus, by KA's own admission, Ricky was asleep when she got home from work -- that tells me she knows she can't alibi him up until that time.

And then the evidence shows, the girls weren't wandering lost in the woods for a time, didn't leave and come back, didn't fall from the bridge, didn't die from the elements, but were dead around the time the phone stopped moving, before the first searcher started searching.

So, like it or not, she couldn't vouch for his whereabouts or his timing. The BG image certainly didn't rule Ricky out, and his own comments in hindsight should have removed all doubt.

The worst kind of blindness is refusing to see because you don't want to see.

JMO

MOO. She knew and concealed or heavily suspected and laid low while time passed. My opinion only that she is an abettor after the fact. It's just that the evidence of the abetting would likely be a single in-person conversation between them, with a simple high school lie playbook. "Looked shocked if they ever interview you."

 

[Megnut]

They could have assumed, that he was up to no good in any case. MOO

Actually... this is helping clarify things...

I think we can assume the girls passed him. Otherwise wouldn't have known "he" was behind her. She must have seen the fear in Libby's face.

Abby and Libby had just passed BB when they likely encountered Rick. If he was half-hidden (unless he was relieving himself off the beer the natural way) or aggressive in his mannerisms, IMO they would have tried to get to BB. Safety in numbers, another adult but also maybe he waited to say or do something AS he passed them, so returning to BB would have been less of an option, passing him again.

If they were FEARFUL of him (beyond just creeped maybe), I don't think they would have chosen to trap themselves on the bridge.

I susoect Ricky was on the move, still did something weird, but have every indication that he was LEAVING.

That they were in the bridge, taking photos, makes me think they thought weirdness had left the woods.

Which night be exactly what he wanted them to think. Even with a gun, they'd be much harder to accost on the trails ahead of the bridge. He wanted to make sure they got well across before he barreled foreard after them, knowing they'd have nowhere to go. Evil.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

KA also made sure to point out to LE that she felt the MHB was very dangerous to cross, alluding to it as falling apart & having gaps which must be practically jumped/lept across (my paraphrasing). Yet her beTROLLthed seemed to cross it quite quickly & without hesitation or jumping across wide gaps or holes with his short, stumpy legs. Odd how her account seems exactly the opposite of how the troll was seen in the video, quickly closing the distance.

Also, for someone who allegedly had no criminal background/record, the creep certainly had a paranoia of being suspected of wrongdoing by LE (reasons he gave KA for not assisting in the search). Hmmmmmmm….

KA stated the troll didn’t wear hats very often. I seem to recall him wearing a skull cap/beanie in a bar while playing pool & wasn't he also wearing a ball cap in a photo from a vacation where they’d taken a ride on a lift/ski lift or something like that she’d posted on FB at some point? Hmmmmm again.

Creep.

& putting it mildly. I could probably think of at least 25-50 other words to add.

ETA 3rd paragraph

 

[FromGermany1]

KA also made sure to point out to LE that she felt the MHB was very dangerous to cross, alluding to it as falling apart & having gaps which must be practically jumped/lept across (my paraphrasing). Yet her beTROLLthed seemed to cross it quite quickly & without hesitation or jumping across wide gaps or holes with his short, stumpy legs. Odd how her account seems exactly the opposite of how the troll was seen in the video, quickly closing the distance.

Also, for someone who allegedly had no criminal background/record, the creep certainly had a paranoia of being suspected of wrongdoing by LE (reasons he gave KA for not assisting in the search). Hmmmmmmm….


& putting it mildly. I could probably think of at least 25-50 other words to add.

..... and she chuckled, when during interview describing something re crossing the bridge?? That is the right moment (or NOT) for these expressions of feeling, MOO It seems, this woman doesn't take anything seriously unless "her man" is at risk.

 

[Justice101]

Possible.

Also possible he thought he was hedging his bets. Too sound credible. I saw a group of girls. See, you can believe me. I didn't see any just-two girls.

Flubbed. In that short interval (if he hasn't murdered them) could he be CERTAIN Abby and Libby weren't part of the group of juveniles? Whoops it's.

JMO

As we all know, liars tell half-truths all the time.