Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[katydid23]

Some murderers don't have a motive. They just feel like killing someone and they do it.

The work of a drugged-up psycho, posing them for humiliation and shock value.

We don't have the details of the crime scene. Statements made over the years have been frightening and puzzling.

In this specific case, I don't think the suspect was drugged up. May have been a psycho though?

 

[MassGuy]

Gosh that would clear up things, wouldn't it?

Unfortunately, I am not holding my breath. It was 5 years until LE got to RA's door. Plenty of time to panic and get rid of everything.

All MOO

If he was behaving as a serial killer, I think he still would have kept that stuff. He did keep the gun, which was a direct link between him and that scene.

At the same time, I really think we would have heard about something like that by now via defense a defense motion or something.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846216735826846100

 

[PrairieWind]

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I think maybe the point is that there isn't any evidence to support a charge of SA under Indiana statute. Not that I have heard anyway.

 

[SouthEnd]

I think maybe the point is that there isn't any evidence to support a charge of SA under Indiana statute. Not that I have heard anyway.

Completely agreed! But that doesn't preclude the conclusion of evidence based sexual motivation being put forth, correct?

 

[SouthEnd]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846216735826846100

So close! And then I will spend tomorrow worrying that more jurors will get cold feet overnight... They are getting sworn in on Thursday, correct?

 

[Cyber sleuth]

In my opinion it did not need to be brought in.
There is no charge of SA against RA.
The murder charges will be enough to send RA away for the rest of his life and then some if he's guilty.
There is nothing to be gained by it.

I believe it’s important to show motive if it is known.
I don’t doubt that the motive is what P is suggesting. IMO It certainly aligns with the evidence a lot more than the motive D was trying to sell last year.
All my opinion

 

[girlhasnoname]

Gosh that would clear up things, wouldn't it?

Unfortunately, I am not holding my breath. It was 5 years until LE got to RA's door. Plenty of time to panic and get rid of everything.

All MOO

True, but someone twisted enough to kill in this manner might want to keep a little trinket or souvenir to relive the experience. There was that one bullet found in a box on top of the dresser in the Master BR.

The big stuff, clothes, etc. yes, I can see him getting rid of those things.

JMO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Completely agreed! But that doesn't preclude the conclusion of evidence based sexual motivation being put forth, correct?

SA crimes have an extremely low success rate at getting to trial with a guilty verdict.
Jmo

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846217144192602312

 

[girlhasnoname]

It just makes me recall that Nancy Grace comment about cat hair being found.

Also makes me wonder if, same as the Giglo case, the DNA (we know the Prosecution ran DNA tests as it came out in the detaied financial reports for the case) was tested vis FGG (Forensic Genetic Geneaology) and found to link to another member of RAs household erby leading to LE running the male names through their tip database only to discover, belatedly, that RA had actually previosly tipped himself in to them as being at the scene, at the time of the crimes, via CO DD. Then the call him into the station for that 2023 interview ... IMO??

Could be...that call to RA down to the station was in Oct 2022. It just feels like this case has been an eternity doesn't it?

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Murderers have been known to remove a victim's clothes to dispose of them due to worry over DNA being left on them, for identification purposes. There are alternative explanations as to why they may be removed that don't include wizard fire spells. IMO

So he would have LG remove her clothes so as not to leave DNA evidence but then put them on AW?
Why would he remove clothes and then leave them at the crime scene if the sole purpose was to eliminate DNA evidence?

I’m confused here.

 

[arielilane]

BREAKING: Richard Allen's defense attorneys say hair found in Abby Williams' hand does not match Richard Allen's DNA. That has never been made public before.
But during our interview with the sheriff days after the murder he told me and @RayCortopassi
on LIVE TV they had DNA.

Law enforcement then asked us to remove that information from our website saying the sheriff was speaking without full knowledge.

This was 2017 days after the murder. Check @FOX59 for new and breaking details all day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846206582939373978

 

[PrairieWind]

Completely agreed! But that doesn't preclude the conclusion of evidence based sexual motivation being put forth, correct?

I think the Prosecution would need to be careful how they presented such evidence, and the Judge may limit it. What is the nature of the evidence and what is the purpose of introducing it?

 

[Niner]

Not yet; I'll watch for it and tag you when available.

Okay - sounds good!

 

[Vaderman]

That would be game over. I really do hope they have something like that.

I always think of the single bullet that was kept in an "keepsake box" that was on display was a possible trophy.

 

[arielilane]

ALLEN COUNTY, Ind. – Defense lawyers for Richard Allen made a startling admission during Tuesday’s jury selection.

Allen’s defense team revealed that hair was found in Abby Williams’ hand that didn’t match Richard Allen. That’s the first time that information has been made public. Attorney Andrew Baldwin made the comments during “mini opening statements” preceding jury selection.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-trial-defense-claims-hair-found-with-victim-didnt-match-richard-allen/

Updated: Oct 15, 2024 / 12:03 PM EDT

 

[FrostedGlass]

BREAKING: Richard Allen's defense attorneys say hair found in Abby Williams' hand does not match Richard Allen's DNA. That has never been made public before.
But during our interview with the sheriff days after the murder he told me and @RayCortopassi
on LIVE TV they had DNA.

Law enforcement then asked us to remove that information from our website saying the sheriff was speaking without full knowledge.

This was 2017 days after the murder. Check @FOX59 for new and breaking details all day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846206582939373978

You're doing a good job of keeping the media threat updated. Thank you.

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MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail

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Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.

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[Vern]

If the prosecutor has strong evidence, a lack of motive won't be an issue.
In My Opinion

But they have the motive. As detailed via testimonies from the blood spatter expert (minor aged girls were unclothed, one redressed and throats cut - left naked to be found like that), the officer tracking the confessions whereby RA stated his motive and method) ... Heck,, they even brought this up as the motive during their questionning of Perlmutter during the 3 Day hearings. Nothng new here. Nothing surprising here. Nothing that most of us had not suspected as the motive since the very first day we learned that 2 juvenile girls had been kidnapped from a bridge, undressed to naked, one redressed, then murdered in cold blood and left that way by the perpetrator.

Why are they (the Prosecution) expected to downplay it and not share the motive due to "shame"? There's no shame at all on the victims or the prosecution for detailing what Abby & Libby's killer hath wrought and caused. Zero.

Any and all shame rests squarely on the soulders of the vile individual who killed these girls on 13th February 2017.

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[MassGuy]

I always think of the single bullet that was kept in an "keepsake box" that was on display was a possible trophy.

Usually the trophy is from victims themselves, as the psychological motivation is to be able to relive the crime.