Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[justtrish]

Did those called for jury duty know what case they were being called for before showing up yesterday? Wasn't there a questinarre beforehand? I ask because I am curious if it was explained before yesterday that this was a 5 ish week trial where they would be sequestered. That seems like something they should know so they can consult with their jobs and/or families to ensure if they were picked they could actually say yes. I would imagine it's hard to know if there is a conflict if you don't know exactly what you are being asked to do and for how long.

As in the case of the juror with childcare issues. When I saw one was a SAHM I wondered if that would be an issue. I also think of people having surgeries scheduled far out or work trips or training they must be present for and things like that. I assumed they would know so if they were picked they could know if there would be an issue and they could not be seated on the jury vs being seated and then bowing out the next day.

 

[minazoe]

could be anyone's hair, I don't trust this..let's see this alleged "hair".

 

[arielilane]

AFTERNOON UPDATE:
- 3 jurors from Mon. were dismissed.
- 5 jurors were selected today, which brings us to a complete jury… or so we thought.

Judge Gull has asked all remaining jurors to reconviene at 2pm.

We’ll keep you updated tonight on #13News at 5.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846244928038621354

 

[photographer4]

From the article & BBM:

McLeland told the court in a motion in that the sketches should not be admitted for the reason that ‘a composite sketch is not relevant, admission would result in undue prejudice, confuse or mislead the jury, or is impermissible hearsay, and the witnesses who participated in the preparation of composite sketch(s) will not be presented by the state for the purpose of in-court identification of the defendant.’
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He also argues that the persons who assisted in the preparation of the sketches did not see the person depicted in the sketches for a sufficient length of time to positively identify Allen.


You bet it would confuse the jury, and be prejudicial against the State!
To me, the pic with RA in the center of the 2 sketches does allow for him to be the man depicted. I am disappointed that the witnesses who helped produce the sketches are unable to confidently point a finger at RA specifically now that he has been accused. I get that the sketches didn’t lead to his arrest, but dang!, I was really hoping for the witnesses to identify him as the man they saw that day. Gives me a weird kind of feeling for the State to be attempting to ban stuff that was produced by the State.

Also, I am still shocked at how quickly the jury was chosen! They quickly found all these folks who are unfamiliar with the case?!?! Wow!

IMO

The idea that the sketches should be out is preposterous to me! mooo.

 

[Megnut]

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BREAKING: Richard Allen's defense attorneys say hair found in Abby Williams' hand does not match Richard Allen's DNA. That has never been made public before.
But during our interview with the sheriff days after the murder he told me and @RayCortopassi
on LIVE TV they had DNA.

Law enforcement then asked us to remove that information from our website saying the sheriff was speaking without full knowledge.

This was 2017 days after the murder. Check @FOX59 for new and breaking details all day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846206582939373978

Doesn't match him. Maybe it's not even human hair.

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Yes, I'm aware of this fact...but for me that doesn't answer the question of 'how' LE would know he was interrupted by one of those other people, other than to have a record of the fact. From whence does that record come? A witness? A phone? Evidence on the bridge side of the creek?

Maybe by RA stating so himself? If he was interrupted by someone he possibly heard or possibly seen and it was verified that that person was indeed in the vicinity at that time, that would be corroboration of that fact.

 

[Megnut]

The sketches were a tool.

The State isn't calling the witnesses to I. D. RA. They will call them to testify to what they saw, recalled, but primarily to timestamp them IMO.

Leaves no opening for the D to attack their memories, whether black or blue, or tall or short. They encountered a man on the path/bridge and their phones/arrival cctv/etc will provide a timeline for when.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Noon FOX59 update. Reporter stated RA confessed to murders that did not happen. (His family and grandchildren)

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-trial-defense-claims-hair-found-with-victim-didnt-match-richard-allen/

As before, I am interested to see the timeline of the confessions and whether or not any 'false confessions' (wrong details or outright lies etc) came before or after RA's attorney's found out he was confessing and therefore interacted with him about them.

 

[shonyakay]

Also, the teens could have hugged anyone that morning or while getting out of the car. A hair that gently floated down from a shoulder onto a hand.

Edit: Or one that came off of Allen's coat.

Still....defense is baiting the potential jury.

Also if Kelsi gave Abby one of her jackets to wear that day that could be an explanation.

Forgive my limited knowledge regarding hair but can it be determined if it is from a male or female?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Argh.

DC needed to stop talking a while back.

Plenty of time post-trial/ post-conviction to continue his media tour.

Doubt this has an impact on the trial tho -- should be other witnesses to testify to the movements of BG, and good luck to any attorney or jury in attempting to decode with certainty the opaque verbiage of DC.

DC has said some wild stuff, but I will always love his passion for the case.

I don’t think the interview in 2018 will matter either, and he may have been referring to no one saw BG with Libby and Abby. I do think his ambiguous statements through the years may be a reason defense wants to call him to the stand.

I know I have been waiting to hear Carter’s whole story.

jmo

 

[Ravenmoon]

Also if Kelsi gave Abby one of her jackets to wear that day that could be an explanation.

Forgive my limited knowledge regarding hair but can it be determined if it is from a male or female?

Well, "Mitochondria DNA is passed on solely from egg cells so it provides information about the direct female ancestral line.
Mitochondrial DNA testing can be useful for genealogy because it preserves information about female ancestors that may be lost from the historical record because of the way surnames are often passed down."

So, to answer that, yes...if it isn't matching a female one could surmise that it is from male origins.

If there is a root, I assume it could be much more specific.

What is genetic ancestry testing?: MedlinePlus Genetics.

 

[twall]

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[TTF14]

If we concede that she was dressed differently as found than in the earlier photo, it would appear inescapable that undressing happened. Not so much a supposition as an inevitable conclusion.

I wonder if either side is even going to introduce that photo.

 

[shonyakay]

The jury hasn't heard a thing from the hearings. Testimony that has been heard in the past that was used for the purposes of the evidentiary hearing would have to be testified to again in court. I don't think the prosecution is going to call Perlmutter on her opinion on the nature/motive of the attack.

Of course Dr. Perlmutter won't be testifying to this but Cisero will be testifying as well as others about the victim's clothing and whether or not the evidence shows Abby was dressed before death or after.

Btw, I'm not going to just throw away facts that have been testified to so far in this case just because the jury may never hear them at trial.

 

[TTF14]

Prosecutors in the murder trial of Richard Allen, the Delphi man who is accused of killing two teenagers, has asked the court to prohibit the sketches used by investigators.

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Prosecution in Delphi murders trial seeks to ban suspect sketches

Prosecutors in the murder trial of Richard Allen, the Delphi man who is accused of killing two teenagers, has asked to prohibit sketches.

www.wishtv.com

(My opinion) Wait, what? Weren’t they a huge chunk of the evidence for the PCA?? Wow. This shocks me. Why would they want their own evidence excluded? This is my opinion only.

 

[TTF14]

I wondered if this would be a point of contention for the trial. I think the juror's deserve to know how and why two radically different sketches came about.

Maybe there isn’t a good enough reason they could use and still keep RA as the accused. This is just my own personal opinion.

 

[Trebor5591]

In my own, personal opinion, If I’m a juror, I’m going to wonder how and why, if a SA was the motive, but RA was interrupted, he took the time to redress Abby and stage the crime scene the way it was staged. If he was interrupted, wouldn’t he have just high-tailed it out of there? This my opinion.

As always, JMO IMO MOOOO

I am seeing references to how RA was "interrupted", but I can no locate the details of how he was interrupted, or where, or when or by who. Can anyone please provide details? Thanks!

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846230644440871141

 

[JusCurious]

Also, the hair found in AW hand that does not match RA could simply be explained as a single strand of hair picked up from the pavement. jmo

Could it even be LG hair? in the struggle? Still a true statement

 

[steeltowngirl]

(My opinion) Wait, what? Weren’t they a huge chunk of the evidence for the PCA?? Wow. This shocks me. Why would they want their own evidence excluded? This is my opinion only.

I had to go look. I don’t see a mention of the sketches in the PCA.

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf