Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[Andieinsyd]

I think the problem with SODDI in this case is that Libby captured the video of BG. So for SODDI to work, they need to be the guy in Libby’s video instead of RA.
MOO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

How many contact persons could be between KAK and RA and the chain isn't seamlessly known until now?

Are you saying the defense has some evidence of a "chain" that KK gave information of the bridge visit to RA?
They were required to disclose this to the prosecutor and court and it would have been reviewed by the judge to rule on it. Likewise LE and the prosecutor would have alreadly disclosed to the defense.
So it still stands there is no evidence of any communication, link, etc.
I don't even see a common interest between the two of them. RA commited a sexually motivated murder which indicates sometime during his developement, sexual activity/arousal was connected to violence. He most likely has been fantasizing about this subject for years and had been on numerous outings looking for the opportunity to act on his urges, which he may have been able to control and suppress for a long time. He didn't do what he did because someone told him teenage girls would be on a trail one day. Part of the violent sexual offenders trait is to look for and pounce when it is "finally" the right circumstances.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

He has also given the detectives a confession of being involved in the murders with his father, they have found evidence that Richard Allen lived in the same neighborhood as the klines in Peru, they obviously believed him enough to launch a 6 week search into the river underneath the bridge next to KK & his fathers house which ended 2 weeks before Richard Allen Was brought back in for questioning.

Where there’s smoke there’s fire IMO

There is no information from MSM or LE that support your statements of a confession. Please cite a source. I've already looked at what towns they both lived from the time KK was a child, RA moved to Delphi years ago. Feel free to search my previous posts. The bridge is not "right next" to his father's house, LE never gave a reason for the river search. I realized there are years worth of posts on this thread and it would be difficult to know what subjects have already been throughly discussed.

 

[FromGermany1]

Are you saying the defense has some evidence of a "chain" that KK gave information of the bridge visit to RA?

Oh no, I didn't mean "there IS a chain of contacts". My thought was, maybe there could have been, possibly, very well hidden and until now still unknown perhaps.

 

[TTF14]

Before the trial begins, the defense would have to disclose the reason for his being on a witness list and that wouldn't fly. KK has already had a number of interrogations, one of which we saw the transcipt for, and has repeatedly denied any involvement/being in Delphi that day and they did not accuse him of being at the scene of the murders. He could not now say he was there without being impeached. I don't think the judge would allow him to be called as a witness, the prosecution/LE can easily provide infomation that they place KK elsewhere that day and that there is zero evidence of any contact between RA and KK.

Doesn’t impeachment only apply to sworn testimony?

 

[TTF14]

D's additions to the witness list (KK, Chadwell, etc), I'm guessing an attempt to paint a picture of flailing LE desperately attempting to "point the finger" at someone/anyone and only arriving at RA as the suspect as a last resort, he'd ticked enough boxes so he fit the bill, so to speak. D will emphasize what they view (moo) as LE's flounderings through the course of their investigation: coulda been x, coulda been y, shoulda been z. And the fact that it ended up being RA, it was like LE was playing pin the tail on the donkey and they finally got something to stick.

But one could also argue that the D is now engaging in a pin the tail on the donkey strategy to get someone up on the stand that can shift the dynamic back into SODDI territory. This would seem shrewd if the D had cultivated an effective SODDI strategy, but they never did, it's always been the same rehash of what LE has already uncovered and dismissed.

The claim "It might have been someone else" is only powerful if they make it plausible, and imo they're not doing that. And while they've been devoting hundreds of hours to it, the evidence against RA still seems to be looming there largely unchallenged in terms of evidentiary value. I think it's too late now for any shenanigans and jury selection's going to move forward as planned.

But if the jury is as varied as we are here, some of them will think the claims ARE plausible.

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

I think the problem with SODDI in this case is that Libby captured the video of BG. So for SODDI to work, they need to be the guy in Libby’s video instead of RA.
MOO

Or find fault with the video. But I don’t think they will go that route.

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

Maybe that ex parte motion was an offer of proof?

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

Maybe, the crime was truely so very "twisted" and not just assigned to one person, but mainly to RA, as was stated early on?? RA is known as the main participant since his arrest, but other participants are unknown until today - possible?

Or he’s just a small part and they expected him to flip by putting him in Westville.

Theory. My opinion.

 

[sunshineray]

100% agreed!

See, I assumed (you know what they say about assumptions) that there were rules in place that prevented the state's witnesses from testifying on certain matters. But then again I suppose if everything was already decided by the State/country, you wouldn't have need for the objections and the sidebars, and the motions in limine. Just surprised that a person who is, lets say, a pilot, isn't by default forbidden to give their opinion on cellphone data analysis. Or in this case, a layperson isn't by default forbidden to testify on mental health etc. All my very uninformed opinions.

EDIT: Grammar

I think an observer tasked with watching for signs of distress that could lead to self harm can rightfully testify to what what they heard and observed in a very basic and common way. Was the person crying, looking upset, talking to themselves, to you? Did they act agitated, stressed out? We're they yelling, talking loudly or hushed tones? Sure a lot of descriptive words are subjectively used differently by different people. Depends on how that person processes what they hear and see. There is a common way though that we see emotions within other people. We don't need to have degrees in psychoanalysis to describe them. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) — News 18's legal expert, Shay Hughes predicts there will be over 100 jurors in the jury pool come Monday's jury selection process in the Delphi double homicide case.
[…]

In his experience, he says the defense usually has a harder time finding ideal jurors.

Here's what he believes the defense will be looking for next week.

"Younger population. You know, people who don't have children because you worry if people will put themselves in that position of losing their children. People that won't be swayed by the wisdom of the crowd so to speak," Hughes said.

What to know for jury selection in Delphi double homicide case

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) — News 18's legal expert, Shay Hughes predicts there will be over 100 jurors in the jury pool come Monday's jury selection process in the Delphi double

www.wlfi.com

Just praying prospective jurors are honest in their answers. I believe all the rest can then work itself out fairly during trial. MO

 

[sunshineray]

Not sure I agree with him. A very young jury might put themselves in the shoes of the victims, if they weren't teenagers that long before. It'd be way too easy for them to think about what might have happened to them on a school free day in the woods with a friend.

MOO

I was just thinking the same thing, youthful empathy

 

[sunshineray]

Or he’s just a small part and they expected him to flip by putting him in Westville.

Theory. My opinion.

I think they were honestly concerned that RA might not make it to trial and they were determined to see he did. MO

 

[Vern]

OMG. What drama will unfold??

IMO, nothing like that you've suggested in this post:

Maybe, the crime was truely so very "twisted" and not just assigned to one person, but mainly to RA, as was stated early on?? RA is known as the main participant since his arrest, but other participants are unknown until today - possible?

Monday signals the beginnings of jury selection that will finally see the long walk towards justice for Abby & Libby being tangibly played out in the courtroom. I also suppose that their families will experience a sense of relief to have that occur. Certainly nothing to be laughing about IMO.

 

[sunshineray]

If they were online with a social media presence as a teen, then it may be easier for them to see how easily this could have become a planned attack / stalking vs just some random encounter imo. If it helps the D with soddi / reasonable doubt about RA I can see how they may like this as a strategy.

If the case is very technical (eg: devices / internet access really tied in) they may not want older folks who may not be tech savvy as well. mOOOoO.

One of the great things about having age and experience, you have lots of practice learning things <3 MO

 

[Vern]

I think they were honestly concerned that RA might not make it to trial and they were determined to see he did. MO

Your thoughts are backed up by the court documents that have been released and by the sworn testimony given in the 3 Day Hearings. There was fear of self harm and fear of harm coming to him by others.

The links to the court docs and the testimonies can be found in the media thread.

 

[sunshineray]

WTHR special that aired earlier tonight. Worth a watch. Lots of old footage back to 2/13/17.

I was just watching on MAX, "Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders". It was released in 2021, four years after the murders before RA was arrested. It's interesting to revisit with all the family, friends and LE, the retelling of things before the PCA, FMs, motions and such.

 

[sunshineray]

Maybe, the crime was truely so very "twisted" and not just assigned to one person, but mainly to RA, as was stated early on?? RA is known as the main participant since his arrest, but other participants are unknown until today - possible?

They're (if they exist) not on trial here, RA is.

 

[sunshineray]

How many contact persons could be between KAK and RA and the chain isn't seamlessly known until now?

I think RA's own words are going to bring it all into focus once and for all. MO

 

[sunshineray]

He has also given the detectives a confession of being involved in the murders with his father, they have found evidence that Richard Allen lived in the same neighborhood as the klines in Peru, they obviously believed him enough to launch a 6 week search into the river underneath the bridge next to KK & his fathers house which ended 2 weeks before Richard Allen Was brought back in for questioning.

Where there’s smoke there’s fire IMO

And where there's lies, there's a liar. LE investigated many things/people, thoroughly, before arresting RA. That's usually how investigations proceed, at some point most of them conclude. MO