Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[sunshineray]

Utterances, about what, by whom? Are you suggesting they’ve heard RA proclaim his innocence or maybe have heard other inmates talk about their involvement in the crime? Eg: maybe one of the transport witnesses has heard RL confess or has heard other inmates bragging about how RA is the wrong guy and X did it?

No of course not RA's guilt, the defense are the ones calling them to testify. Like I said, jail house banter about SODDI is my guess.

 

[photographer4]

Two of the lawyers were offically on the D team at the time. The rest of them followed their lead and discussed doing underhanded and questionable deeds.

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The Delphi Murders: The Secret Messages of the Delphi Defense’s Brain Trust: Part Three: A Conversation with Paul Mannion on Truth and True Crime

Members of Richard Allen’s defense team have worked hand-in-hand with internet cranks in order to sway the public narrative of the case, smear perceived enemies, and raise thousands of dollars through a poorly-organized fundraiser. We have spent weeks looking through a Twitter private message...

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Ok, but were B and R involved in that whole private chat?

 

[sunshineray]

Ok, but were B and R involved in that whole private chat?

If you haven't you might consider listening to the episodes, it's surely seems very likely to me, MO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I would suggest JG take her head out of the sand. Judges are not gods and they can make faulty decisions. Plenty of examples to choose from. JMO

This was not me of them.
Just because you don’t like a ruling, doesn’t make it the wrong decision.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

For those who wish to continue tag-teaming against Judge Gull, please re-read my former note:

from: Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #195

Also, lay off Judge Gull. Websleuths is pro-LE / LE friendly unless there is evidence to justify why we should not be. Just because you don't happen to like the judge's rulings doesn't mean she's the worst thing since the plague. Dollars to donuts the judge's decisions are based on law and legal precedent rather than just feelings or she doesn't like somebody.

 

[shonyakay]

I don’t think the inmates the D wants to transport will be talking about the “confessions” my by RA unless they were involved in eliciting them somehow (which doesn’t seem the case). Very interesting move by the D here! Sooo curious! Moooo

Wasn't there talk of an inmate that said RA was subjected to unfavorable treatment? It may be pertaining to that.

Doesn't change the facts of the case though.

 

[steeltowngirl]

No of course not RA's guilt, the defense are the ones calling them to testify. Like I said, jail house banter about SODDI is my guess.

That’s what I’m thinking, too. Banter that points to SODDI. Defense is determined to bring in SODDI. Can’t fault them for that approach, as some of the POIs were reasonable suspects. Fortunately, at least 3 of the known POIs were heavily investigated and ruled out by LE, when the evidence didn’t support their involvement.

Just more noise to try and persuade jurors to look anywhere else, other than at RA. It could work for, or against, either side. A confused jury is not a convinced jury. Personally, I think most humans don’t appreciate confusion and will lean towards solid evidence over cloudy speculation.

All..
JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Hmm. Then there must be something the D thinks these inmates can offer their case. Wonder what it is!??

More speculation on SODDI would be my speculation

 

[shonyakay]

No of course not RA's guilt, the defense are the ones calling them to testify. Like I said, jail house banter about SODDI is my guess.

This was my first thought... I was going by memory only, then looked it up and found this.

Inmate's letter alleges abuse, mistreatment at prison housing Delphi murders suspect

abuse and mistreatment to himself and Allen from "corrupt sergeants and officers and administrative staff and mental health professionals."

www.wishtv.com

 

[sunshineray]

Your making a argument that's not there for me.

My point was if the jurors think she is treating one side differently than the other, it might influence their decisions. Regardless of the LEGAL definition I think it's really important for judges to appear to be neutral in the eyes of the public.

I have faith that JG will run a very fair and balanced trial. She has the experience, wherewithal and fortitude. MO

 

[sunshineray]

One was a cellmate of RL, one is KK, one was an alternative suspect online. I'm guessing they are there to... prove they are viable alternative suspects? IMO

Calling an inmate to insinuate against a dead man doesn't sound like it will fly. Calling a known prolific liar to testify about their lies doesn't seem to smart for the benefit your client either. Calling a confessed child rapist and attempted murderer who was one of many people arrested for other crimes or suspected of this one talked to by investigators and eliminated. To have him testify that he was talked to mean by interrogators about the Delphi case, if that's the case, sounds like a big nothing burger to me. The 4th guy I have no idea about what he could possible add to the case for RA. AJMO

 

[shonyakay]

Calling an inmate to insinuate against a dead man doesn't sound like it will fly. Calling a known prolific liar to testify about their lies doesn't seem to smart for the benefit your client either. Calling a confessed child rapist and attempted murderer who was one of many people arrested for other crimes or suspected of this one talked to by investigators and eliminated. To have him testify that he was talked to mean by interrogators about the Delphi case, if that's the case, sounds like a big nothing burger to me. The 4th guy I have no idea about what he could possible add to the case for RA. AJMO

Still trying to catch up. Do they mention the 4th guys' name?

 

[sunshineray]

This was my first thought... I was going by memory only, then looked it up and found this.

Inmate's letter alleges abuse, mistreatment at prison housing Delphi murders suspect

abuse and mistreatment to himself and Allen from "corrupt sergeants and officers and administrative staff and mental health professionals."

www.wishtv.com

Yes but that is the guy who said when the time came for his day in court, heck no I won't go. He had also made other pointless claims to get himself out of prison. MO

 

[sunshineray]

Still trying to catch up. Do they mention the 4th guys' name?

Yes, are we allowed to name him? Were those motions linked here?

 

[Salah11]

I am absolutely amazed the defence have not tried to throw a spanner in the works.

I hope that RA is found guilty and never allowed to harm another child again. A vile horrible man that’s ruined so many lives, including his own, ironically

 

[shonyakay]

Yes, are we allowed to name him? Were those motions linked here?

Wait... are his initials RD?

If so, then yes they were. I was mistaken I thought you guys were discussing an additional person besides the four mentioned earlier in the thread.

So please disregard my post about that other man/prisoner at Westville pertaining to this.

 

[shonyakay]

I am absolutely amazed the defence have not tried to throw a spanner in the works.

I hope that RA is found guilty and never allowed to harm another child again. A vile horrible man that’s ruined so many lives, including his own, ironically

Yet.....

We still have until morning.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I couldn't disagree more and I believe they removed themselves that day...but one later recanted and one admitted to lying about it, to the judge. MO

The SC read the case and decided.

https://public.courts.in.gov/Decisions/api/Document/Opinion?Id=TWpDY7S8sATqPWh50ta8w0N5f1k5NjXezrOt02MdSk7tzOjXnR6SVtncFrbE60HI0

The oral argument has some discussion to consider going forward.
Indiana Appellate Clerk's Portal

 

[sunshineray]

Wait... are his initials RD?

If so, then yes they were. I was mistaken I thought you guys were discussing an additional person besides the four mentioned earlier in the thread.

So please disregard my post about that other man/prisoner at Westville pertaining to this.

Yes that's him, RD Jr

 

[sunshineray]

The SC read the case and decided.

https://public.courts.in.gov/Decisions/api/Document/Opinion?Id=TWpDY7S8sATqPWh50ta8w0N5f1k5NjXezrOt02MdSk7tzOjXnR6SVtncFrbE60HI0

The oral argument has some discussion to consider going forward.
Indiana Appellate Clerk's Portal

Yes I've read it, thank you