Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[iamshadow21]

Interesting, since there is zero connection between RA & the girls.

But in his mind, they could represent someone close to him somehow. A substitute, that he can act out against, where it isn't safe to do so with that person in his life.

MOO

 

[TristanP]

So it seems from Nicks opening that those of us who said the D selectively misquoted SC in the Franks about the muddy / bloody evidence will be proved correct.

I can’t get over how blatantly they hoaxed the internet on that one.

I suspect we will see the Judge correctly tossed the Franks once she discovered that subterfuge because the affiant simply did not lie or mislead.

sigh.

MOO

What is it from the opening that makes you think this? I didn’t notice anything but I’ve gotten sort of an info overload today.

 

[Sabex]

Susan Hendricks is a journalist and wrote the book “Down the Hill”.

According to one study, undoing is a defense mechanism that offenders use to relieve feelings of guilt or remorse. (Wiki)

Yep, dress 'em back up and they ain't dead no more so you ain't a murderer.

 

[Melted]

2 knives, 2 killers.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Yep, dress 'em back up and they ain't dead no more so you ain't a murderer.

Yeah, you redress the body, but at the same time, you're putting your mask back on. It's what you have to do, if you're a certain kind of killer, to compartmentalise. It's how these guys can strip and slaughter two girls, then drive away, go home to their wife, go back to their job, seemingly without a ripple.

MOO

 

[rebelchild]

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen On Trial: Day One: Opening Statements and More

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Starting at the 44:55 mark, the misplaced tip that RA gave in 2017 was explained by McLeland during opening statements. He was listed as Richard Whiteman of Allen Drive. I will be anxious to hear if RA gave this incorrect name/address to the officer or if the officer wrote it down wrong.

 

[Warwick7]

ABC News/the "he" they refer to is Baldwin: "He said the prosecution's timeline puts Allen in a parking lot near the trial (typo/trail) at 1:30 p.m. but his cellphone data shows he was gone by 2:15 p.m."

Okay, so the prosecution's timeline puts RA there at 1:30. Correct, that's what the P believes. What is the D saying about what his cellphone data shows-- either through activity or lack thereof-- for 1:30?

And per D, RA's cellphone data shows he was gone by 2:15. Shows it how? There's no other way for the phone to "show" it than through activity or a lack of activity. All I get from this statement is that D is probably saying there is no activity on the phone after 2:15, unless they can show activity/signals at another location, which I'd guess we'd probably already be aware of.

However, the D never said anything about activity or inactivity on that phone up to 1:30, and between 1:30 and 2:15. And my guess is that the reason for the D's wording on this-- using the prosecution's timeline for the 1:30 mark instead of the actual data-- may likely be that RA had no phone at all on him that day on the trail. But the implication in the way it has been worded is a phone that was in the area but dropped off at 2:15.

I don't think so. MOO, definitely could be wrong, but I still suspect RA had no phone. And I believe the P's timeline is the correct one, and believing that, the D is very close in my mind to noting here that RA had no activity in that timeframe. Was there activity from someplace else on RA's phone after the 2:15 mark? If so, I think it's likely we'd already know that, but we'll see.

Bam!!!

 

[Niner]

Saturday, October 19th:
*Trial continues (Day 2) (@ 9am ET) – IN – Abigail Joyce Williams (13) & Liberty Rose Lynn German (14) (Missing Feb. 13, 2017, found killed Feb. 14, 2017, after walking on a local hiking trail & were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the Monon High Bridge Trail, Delphi) – *Richard “Ricky/Rick” Matthew Allen (44 @ time of crime/50/now 52) arrested & booked (10/26/22) into the Carroll County Jail & charged & arraigned (10/28/22) with 2 counts of murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
Amended charges (1/18/24/granted 3/18/24): 2 counts of felony murder (knowingly & intentionally), 2 counts of murder (while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of both victims). Transferred to White County jail from Carroll County for security reasons. And was transferred (11/2/22) to IN. DOC at Westville Correctional Facility at a more secure facility. Was awaiting transfer to Westville Correctional Facility but Judge Gull denied move (6/15/23). She plans to take the arguments under advisement & will make a ruling on whether or not he will be moved out of Westville at a later date. Judge Gull denied move (7/5/23). On 12/6/23 Allen was transferred from Westville to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility (long term segregation). Allen was booked (5/6/24) into the Allen County Jail [for hearing on 5/7/24]. Allen back (5/7/24) to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility. Judge Gull granted transfer of custody to the Carroll County Sheriff [instead of IDOC] but will be held in Cass County jail until trial [8/1/24]. Carroll County
Trial began with jury selection on 10/14/24 & ended 10/15/24.
Trial began on 10/18/24. Mondays thru Fridays from 9am to 6pm. Saturdays from 9am to noon.
*12 jurors (7 women & 5 men) & 4 alternates [3 women & 1 man]. Jury is sequestered.
Allen County Judge Frances C. Gull presiding. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland & Special Prosecutor James David Luttrull, Jr.
Andrew Baldwin & Bradley Rozzi are Allen’s public appointed attorneys & added Jennifer Auger [addressing the circumstances surrounding digital forensics].
Charges, case & court info from 4/19/21 thru 10/11/24 & Jury Selection Day 1-2 (10/14-10/15/24) & thru 10/16/24 reference post #229 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ers-richard-allen-arrested-199.726193/page-12
10/17/24 Update: Motions to be decided:
*State’s Motion in Limine – Composite Sketches – Not Admissable.
*State’s Motion in Limine – IPAS - ??
*State’s Motion in Limine- Tobin – Under advisement.
*Defense’s Response To State’s Motion in Limine-Tobin – Under advisement.
*Motion for Order on Designated Defense Representatives - ??
10/17/24 Docket update: Response to a Petition [Response to State's Motion in Limine regarding composite sketches] filed by Allen. See post #696, page 35, thread 199.
10/18/24 Friday, Trial Day 1: Composite sketches-NOT admissible; other unresolved issues before opening statements [no idea on the others]. Judge Gull read jury instructions. Judge Gull announced she confiscated 5 cameras had the memory cards erased. The 4 media reporters are now banned from the trial. Among them, a wire service & network Photographer.
Opening statements by Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland & defense attorney Andrew Baldwin.
State witnesses: 4 family members: Becky Patty, Libby’s grandmother. Kelsi Siebert, Libby's sister. Derrick German, Libby's father. Anna Williams, Abby's Mother. Carool County Deputy Sheriff Mitchell Catron.
For more info see posts #818 [page 41], 833 [page 42], 935 to 937 [page 48], 969 [page 49], 1076 [page 54] & 1108 {Day 1 blog] here:
[URL]https://www.websleuths.com/for...ers-richard-allen-arrested-199.726193/page-56[/url]
Trial continues on Saturday, 10/19/24 @ 9am.

 

[Melted]

Why is TMS calling Bob Motta a “disgraced” YouTuber on their most recent podcast?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Day 6 IN #JUSTICE4ABBY&LIBBY​

 

[Warwick7]

At 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement, according to the Apple Health Data on her cellphone.

I don't know much about health data apps let alone an Apple. I tried to Google it but with limited success. Anyone familiar with how this works and the meaning of the phone ceasing movement?

Like, if it's not on her personal it ceases movement? Sooo, then was it knocked on the ground or throw?

 

[Melted]

Tms claims that Richard Allen’s defense team will claim he was visiting his mother in PERU, Indiana before he went to the trail

 

[girlhasnoname]

At 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement, according to the Apple Health Data on her cellphone.

I don't know much about health data apps let alone an Apple. I tried to Google it but with limited success. Anyone familiar with how this works and the meaning of the phone ceasing movement?

Like, if it's not on her personal it ceases movement? Sooo, then was it knocked on the ground or throw?

Her iPhone in the Health App would measure the amount and rate at which she was moving as long as the phone was on her person. I am thinking that is showed her walking (steps) at a casual rate for the time leading up to when we know she began to film BG.

Her phone stopped recording movement at 2:38 approx. I believe that is when RA marched them down the hill and had them undress at gunpoint. She would have no longer have had her phone on her since she was found fully undressed so there would not have been movement activity being measured after that point.

It was stated Libby's phone was found under Abby's body with or in one of Libby's shoes. I can imagine Libby was smart enough to put her phone under or inside one of her tennis shoes, hiding it essentially, after being made to undress preserving the video that we know as the BG. How incredible is that??? She provided LE with the video of BG.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

All JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

“After the girls crossed the bridge, they saw a man behind them, so Libby started a

recording on her phone at 2:13 p.m. on Feb. 13, 2017​

, he said.”

Of course it has to be a coincidence, but somehow mysterious this case seems to be indeed from time to time .....

 

[Warwick7]

Tms claims that Richard Allen’s defense team will claim he was visiting his mother in PERU, Indiana before he went to the trail

What is Tms?

 

[wtiger]

RA does not have to prove anything - the state must prove that he was murdering 2 girls on that afternoon

from what i see, they can prove that he MIGHT have had the opportunity

in my opinion this is a long way short of the required burden of proof to convict here

 

[BexLuth0r]

Apologies if this has been discussed but does the State only have to prove Richard Allen is bridge guy? The video on Libbys phone shows/proves Bridge Guy ordered them down the hill which lead to their murders?
He's been charged with felony murder so does it matter if the state can't prove he was the one who actually committed the murder? If they can prove he's the one who initiated the kidnapping, isn't that enough?

 

[Warwick7]

Going back to RA's original statement, where he says he's there between 1:30--3:30pm.

I've been wondering, and my own opinion is, that he had been planning this and scoping out the area for a while. School was out and it was nice outside. Was his wife at work, was his wife out of town?...

I am wondering if he was originally following BB, evaluating her as a potential target, but opted for the girls after passing them. Idk....mmmm.....The girls just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Definitely sexually motivated, and I think he went there with intent to kill.

 

[mrjitty]

Why is TMS calling Bob Motta a “disgraced” YouTuber on their most recent podcast?

I suspect because they revealed that while he claimed to be an independent voice, actually he was collaborating with the defence influence campaign in the leaked discord chats.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Nick's opening solidifies my feeling that either RA is the victim of a gross injustice, or the defence perpetuated a giant hoax. This isn't your typical case of shades of grey IMO.

MOO