Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[TexLil]

Interesting, since there is zero connection between RA & the girls.

I'm not sure we can say 'zero' connection. From this sticle below: Libby’s grandmother, Becky Patty, told reporters that Allen once processed photos for the family at the CVS store in Delphi where Allen worked. He didn’t charge them for the photos, she added.

Who is Richard Allen? What we know about the man arrested in Delphi murders case

A judge found probable cause to arrest Allen, who entered a not-guilty plea at his initial hearing on Friday, authorities said.

www.wlwt.com

 

[statt#1]

That hair seems to be a focus right now, when in reality, in my opinion, investigators shelfed it when they found analysis showed it came from a family member, as no family member was on the scene at the time of the murders.

To add, so far, I've heard 'a clump of hair', 'clutched', 'in her hand' 'a hair in her hand', and now a 'hair around her hand', so is that wrapped around, or laying somewhere around.

I'm waiting for the main course.

 

[steeltowngirl]

How does that work when he has confessed 61 times and admits he was out on the bridge?

That is part of why I think he might take the stand. To refute his own confessions and tell the jury how broken he was by being held in prison and that he was talking out of his proverbial azz when he confessed.

jmo

 

[m00c0w]

RA would be a fool to take the stand. The Prosecutions case is looking pretty weak.

lol we haven’t even gotten to the prosecution presenting their actual case to call it “weak”.

Do we really expect to know everything on the first day of trial, in the first few hours? There is a ton of evidence and witnesses we know exist from the hearings that will back up the prosecution’s theory. Meanwhile, defense is apparently still workshopping their theory mid-opening statement.

JMO

 

[statt#1]

That is part of why I think he might take the stand. To refute his own confessions and tell the jury how broken he was by being held in prison and that he was talking out of his proverbial azz when he confessed.

jmo

Ya, he might do this, but I still think to listen to what he 'really' said in those phone calls to his wife, in HIS voice.....

What we will see, in my opinion, in the upcoming days/weeks is a 'stacking' of evidence, and once again, in my opinion, a lot of the excitement of these first hours will have waned.

 

[TTF14]

So it seems from Nicks opening that those of us who said the D selectively misquoted SC in the Franks about the muddy / bloody evidence will be proved correct.

I can’t get over how blatantly they hoaxed the internet on that one.

I suspect we will see the Judge correctly tossed the Franks once she discovered that subterfuge because the affiant simply did not lie or mislead.

sigh.

MOO

I'm looking forward to hearing how/why SC changed her testimony from "tan coat/muddy" in 2017 to "blue coat/muddy & bloody/looked like he slaughtered a pig" in 2019.

As Judge Gull rightly told AB, opening statements aren't the time for presenting evidence, so we'll have to wait until SC gets on the stand. Maybe there's a logical explanation.

As always, JMO.

ETA to provide link:

 

[Vern]

i was coming to mention this as I see Defence Diaries being posted here. Motta is not independent. He is a defence surrogate. So take his posts with that in mind.

It is also hard to square how Judge Gull reconciles her media orders with the defence bringing its own youtubers??

Imagine if the prosecution gave some of its seats to guilter podcasters?

The Defence has 10 seats IIRC that they can utilize (although Team D had one of his actual "Defense" Team members move to make way and a seat for BM too according to Murder Sheet).

I'm not sure that Judge Gull would even recognize BM to understand just what the Defence pulled off in her courtroom yesterday in getting their youtube guy in without him being credentialled or waiting in line all night in line for a seat like the public has to do.

The MS also talked about how members of Libby & Abby's families couldn't even get seats in the courtroom (elderly etc that just can't sit out all night waiting for a 'public seat' once the primary family members had their 10).

IMO, any seat not taken up by actual bonafied members of the Defence Team, RA's family or Libby & Abby's family, should be going to any other of the family members at the courthouse who could not get 'public seats' once their assigned seats were used. I say this because BM was also hanging with RA's family member last night (sayeth the MS) after session was over and I'd hate to see him start be brought in by them as a 'family member' when there's actual family members not getting seats.

This whole thing reeks of ethical issues once again with the Defence Team lawyers and certainly proves why BM et al cannot actually be considered impartial in their DD youtube coverage and why I choose to view and anything they say them while sitting on a mountain of Himalayian salt.

And, also IMO it could also go a long way to explaining why BM 'insisted' the hair was "human". Yeah, yeah, I know he came on later and stated he just came to that logical conclusion himself when in reality he flat-out originally insisted, "it is human" to anyone who questioned it. He only switched his tune to it being 'his opinion' after people queried whether or not yet another Defence breach of the gag order had occured because there had been no evidence whatsoever of that thus far, nor did the Defence mini opening even say that.

Suffice to say, I hope Judge Gull figures out what happened here and puts a cease to the shenanigans IMO.

 

[TTF14]

lol we haven’t even gotten to the prosecution presenting their actual case to call it “weak”.

Do we really expect to know everything on the first day of trial, in the first few hours? There is a ton of evidence and witnesses we know exist from the hearings that will back up the prosecution’s theory. Meanwhile, defense is apparently still workshopping their theory mid-opening statement.

JMO

That is true, but I think some of us were expecting some kind of new bombshellish information (akin to the strand of hair the defense presented) in opening statements to provide some kind of reassurance that they have more. But, we didn't get that. So, the case, in my opinion, does still seem quite weak in terms of a huge gaping hole of reasonable doubt.

As always, JMO.

 

[Vern]

i was coming to mention this as I see Defence Diaries being posted here. Motta is not independent. He is a defence surrogate. So take his posts with that in mind.

It is also hard to square how Judge Gull reconciles her media orders with the defence bringing its own youtubers??

Imagine if the prosecution gave some of its seats to guilter podcasters?

The Defence has 10 seats IIRC that they can utilize (although Team D had one of his actual "Defense" Team members move to make way and a seat for BM too according to Murder Sheet).

I'm not sure that Judge Gull would even recognize BM to understand just what the Defence pulled off in her courtroom yesterday in getting their youtube guy in without him being credentialled or waiting in line all night in line for a seat like the public has to do.

The MS also talked about how members of Libby & Abby's families couldn't even get seats in the courtroom (elderly etc that just can't sit out all night waiting for a 'public seat' once the primary family members had their 10).

IMO, any seat not taken up by actual bonafied members of the Defence Team, RA's family or Libby & Abby's family, should be going to any other of the family members at the courthouse who could not get 'public seats' once their assigned seats were used. I say this because BM was also hanging with RA's family member last night (sayeth the MS) after session was over and I'd hate to see him start be brought in by them as a 'family member' when there's actual family members not getting seats.

This whole thing reeks of ethical issues once again with the Defence Team lawyers and certainly proves to me why BM et al cannot actually be considered impartial in their DD youtube coverage and why I choose to view and listen to anything they say them while sitting on a mountain of Himalayian salt.

And, also IMO it could also go a long way to explaining why BM 'insisted' the hair was "human". Yeah, yeah, I know he came on later and stated he just came to that logical conclusion himself when in reality he flat-out originally insisted, "it is human" to anyone who questioned it. He only switched his tune to it being 'his opinion' after people queried whether or not yet another Defence breach of the gag order had occured because there had been no evidence whatsoever of that thus far, nor did the Defence mini opening even say that.

Suffice to say, I hope Judge Gull figures out what happened here and puts a cease to the shenanigans IMO.

 

[MiniMoo]

FBI was still involved in 2022. Not kicked off.

Feb 11, 2022

DELPHI—Sunday, February 13, marks five years since the murders of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams in Delphi, Indiana. Their bodies were discovered in a wooded area on February 14, 2017, not far from the Monon High Bridge trail.

The FBI has provided assistance and resources to the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department, Indiana State Police, and Delphi Police Department in an effort to identify the individual(s) responsible for Libby and Abby’s murders. We remain committed to providing support to our state and local partners.

Anyone with information is requested to call the tip line at 765-822-3535. Callers can remain anonymous. Tips can also be submitted online at [email protected].

The case is being featured on the FBI’s Most Wanted page as the Case of the Week: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted.

FBI Joins Law Enforcement Partners to Mark Anniversary of Delphi Murders | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Highly unlikely. Defense attorneys aren't in favour of putting clients up on the stand at all and for a reason.

I would like to know what RA is like voice and all as well.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[joe jones]

The only evidence that matters now is the evidence presented at trial, what was discussed for all the years pre trial doesn't matter unless it is testified to. We finally will start to see how the investigation progressed through all the LE witnesses, we have years of investigation to testify about, and I am really interested in when they found the tip again was it because it mentioned he was on the trails that day which made them focus on him, and then work out his name was transposed, to finding out who he was. I wonder if the LE who were the first to interview him once they knew who he was got a sense that he could possibly be bridge guy.

The state should highlight RA changing timeline if they have evidence of that.
I also wonder how they are going to address the issue of the hair evidence when they get it back from the lab, ok clever move by the defence to make them test it after all these years when they obviously have chosen not to test it. And it is highly likely to be a family member but it still should have been tested.

 

[TTF14]

Apologies if this has been discussed but does the State only have to prove Richard Allen is bridge guy? The video on Libbys phone shows/proves Bridge Guy ordered them down the hill which lead to their murders?
He's been charged with felony murder so does it matter if the state can't prove he was the one who actually committed the murder? If they can prove he's the one who initiated the kidnapping, isn't that enough?

Well, they better be able to prove that since "BG" looks nothing like RA!

As always, JMO.

 

[Megnut]

IMO the defence are trying to get the prosecution on the defensive by lobbing these claims out. Make them chase, make them look like they missed something, make a distraction. And, it makes sense for them to do that, if that creates doubt around their client.

But I want to cut ahead and find out exactly why, out of all the sick creeps in and around Delphi the state had to pick from, it was meek little store clerk RA that got arrested and what they have on him that wasn't in the PCA. Because there's got to be something to make it worth bringing this case to court. What do they think they've got that makes RA the guy?

He said he was there.

 

[Megnut]

lol we haven’t even gotten to the prosecution presenting their actual case to call it “weak”.

Do we really expect to know everything on the first day of trial, in the first few hours? There is a ton of evidence and witnesses we know exist from the hearings that will back up the prosecution’s theory. Meanwhile, defense is apparently still workshopping their theory mid-opening statement.

JMO

Rbbm

Meanwhile, defense is apparently still workshopping their theory mid-opening statement.

And it shows.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Yep, dress 'em back up and they ain't dead no more so you ain't a murderer.

Well someone dressed one of them back up and Abby & Libby are still deceased and someone is their murderer.

So, there's that.

 

[girlhasnoname]

TMS also says that this tip was uncovered by a woman named Kathy Shank.

Her name first came to light back at the time of RA's arrest when LE held a press conference and Carter went down a list thanking multiple people and he said "Mrs. Kathy Shank, for your incredible dedication to detail." Many people guessed at that time that she was a DNA analyst because just prior he had thanked "the many scientists and DNA specialists" as he was talking.

However, if you see this article, she mentions her role, perhaps later a paid one: Pat McAfee, Jim Irsay raise Delphi reward to $200K

In addition to all that money, people in Delphi are giving of themselves, giving a hand to detectives looking for a break in this case.
“I’m here to help any way I can,” announced Kathy Shank at the police task force headquarters. She returned home from a vacation Tuesday night and signed up Wednesday morning to run the headquarters reception desk.
“I know the family of Liberty, I feel like I need to be here,” she said.

Thank the heavens and stars for Kathy Shank. I remember during the PC Carter held announcing RA's arrest that he singled out a woman standing in the background (I didn't know who she was) and thanked her.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I acknowledge it’s a wild prediction and that I am in the .000001 percent here that thinks he might. With all the tricks defense has pulled out of their hat, putting RA on the stand would not surprise me. If it were done, it would be in an attempt to humanize him as a member of the Delphi community, and to try to dismiss the idea that he was hiding in plain sight.

jmo

I absolutely agree with you that this Defense has and will do anything so RA taking the stand would not completely surprise me. How I hope he does.

JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Highly unlikely. Defense attorneys aren't in favour of putting clients up on the stand at all and for a reason.

I would like to know what RA is like voice and all as well.

JMO MOO JMT

Agreed it's unlikely that a defense would do this. With this defense, though, and this defendant, if they feel their case has become unwinnable otherwise, it is actually in the realm of possibility if could happen, jmo. Unlikely, yes. But less unlikely if they feel their case looks increasingly weak as the trial moves forward.

 

[MiniMoo]

Agreed it's unlikely that a defense would do this. With this defense, though, and this defendant, if they feel their case has become unwinnable otherwise, it is actually in the realm of possibility if could happen, jmo. Unlikely, yes. But less unlikely if they feel their case looks increasingly weak as the trial moves forward.

Last resort thing, I reckon, if it did occur.

JMO

 

[Trebor5591]

Agreed it's unlikely that a defense would do this. With this defense, though, and this defendant, if they feel their case has become unwinnable otherwise, it is actually in the realm of possibility if could happen, jmo. Unlikely, yes. But less unlikely if they feel their case looks increasingly weak as the trial moves forward.

Why can't they play some of his phone calls while in prison? Then everyone could compare his voice with that of Bridge Guy in Libby's video.