Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[Jade]

Interesting, since there is zero connection between RA & the girls.

Link?

That’s not a known to be true statement as we are now seeing a trial based on those connections.

There’s his bullet at the crime scene near where a person identical to he, not surprisingly becouse he said it was he, was on the bridge.

RA worked in a public facing position at CVS.

The family used CVS.

Pervs that like young girls notice what they notice; young girls. CVS has lots of good stuff young girls enjoy browsing through.

We’ve seen KA’s videoing of RA engrossed in his phone over real life.

RA could have followed LG anonymously online like pervs do.

RA’s home was just right there by the girls school plenty of opportunity for “stalking” as he and K like to joke.

When RA goes to the park, where the girls have also been, by himself like other pervs are wont to do.

Do you happen to have information of how RA spends his days off or what his internet search history contains?

Are you aware of the size of the community?

All negates zero connection becouse of the proximity and known interactions in the community.

From reading WS: never underestimate a sexually driven homicidal pervert loner.

All imo

 

[girlhasnoname]

The Defence has 10 seats IIRC that they can utilize (although Team D had one of his actual "Defense" Team members move to make way and a seat for BM too according to Murder Sheet).

I'm not sure that Judge Gull would even recognize BM to understand just what the Defence pulled off in her courtroom yesterday in getting their youtube guy in without him being credentialled or waiting in line all night in line for a seat like the public has to do.

The MS also talked about how members of Libby & Abby's families couldn't even get seats in the courtroom (elderly etc that just can't sit out all night waiting for a 'public seat' once the primary family members had their 10).

IMO, any seat not taken up by actual bonafied members of the Defence Team, RA's family or Libby & Abby's family, should be going to any other of the family members at the courthouse who could not get 'public seats' once their assigned seats were used. I say this because BM was also hanging with RA's family member last night (sayeth the MS) after session was over and I'd hate to see him start be brought in by them as a 'family member' when there's actual family members not getting seats.

This whole thing reeks of ethical issues once again with the Defence Team lawyers and certainly proves to me why BM et al cannot actually be considered impartial in their DD youtube coverage and why I choose to view and listen to anything they say them while sitting on a mountain of Himalayian salt.

And, also IMO it could also go a long way to explaining why BM 'insisted' the hair was "human". Yeah, yeah, I know he came on later and stated he just came to that logical conclusion himself when in reality he flat-out originally insisted, "it is human" to anyone who questioned it. He only switched his tune to it being 'his opinion' after people queried whether or not yet another Defence breach of the gag order had occured because there had been no evidence whatsoever of that thus far, nor did the Defence mini opening even say that.

Suffice to say, I hope Judge Gull figures out what happened here and puts a cease to the shenanigans IMO.

Just another shady move by the Defense IMO. If BM is not a part of the Defense Team, why is he allowed to sit in the Defenses's assigned seats?

Can the Defense and Prosecution used their assigned number of seats to give to whomever they want? IDK

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

ABC News/the "he" they refer to is Baldwin: "He said the prosecution's timeline puts Allen in a parking lot near the trial (typo/trail) at 1:30 p.m. but his cellphone data shows he was gone by 2:15 p.m."

Okay, so the prosecution's timeline puts RA there at 1:30. Correct, that's what the P believes. What is the D saying about what his cellphone data shows-- either through activity or lack thereof-- for 1:30?

And per D, RA's cellphone data shows he was gone by 2:15. Shows it how? There's no other way for the phone to "show" it than through activity or a lack of activity. All I get from this statement is that D is probably saying there is no activity on the phone after 2:15, unless they can show activity/signals at another location, which I'd guess we'd probably already be aware of.

However, the D never said anything about activity or inactivity on that phone up to 1:30, and between 1:30 and 2:15. And my guess is that the reason for the D's wording on this-- using the prosecution's timeline for the 1:30 mark instead of the actual data-- may likely be that RA had no phone at all on him that day on the trail. But the implication in the way it has been worded is a phone that was in the area but dropped off at 2:15.

I don't think so. MOO, definitely could be wrong, but I still suspect RA had no phone. And I believe the P's timeline is the correct one, and believing that, the D is very close in my mind to noting here that RA had no activity in that timeframe. Was there activity from someplace else on RA's phone after the 2:15 mark? If so, I think it's likely we'd already know that, but we'll see.

And what of the October, 2022 interview just prior to RA’s arrest when it’s claimed he clarified the time he was at the trails was noon to 1:30pm? Changing the time a third time….who can believe anything he says.

There’s only one version to the truth.

JMO

 

[joe jones]

Who is this BM that is somehow aligned with the defence?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Link?

That’s not a known to be true statement as we are now seeing a trial based on those connections.

There’s his bullet at the crime scene near where a person identical to he, not surprisingly becouse he said it was he, was on the bridge.

RA worked in a public facing position at CVS.

The family used CVS.

Pervs that like young girls notice what they notice; young girls. CVS has lots of good stuff young girls enjoy browsing through.

We’ve seen KA’s videoing of RA engrossed in his phone over real life.

RA could have followed LG anonymously online like pervs do.

RA’s home was just right there by the girls school plenty of opportunity for “stalking” as he and K like to joke.

When RA goes to the park, where the girls have also been, by himself like other pervs are wont to do.

Do you happen to have information of how RA spends his days off or what his internet search history contains?

Are you aware of the size of the community?

All negates zero connection becouse of the proximity and known interactions in the community.

From reading WS: never underestimate a sexually driven homicidal pervert loner.

All imo

Wasn't Abby's home close to the Allen residence? He may have seen her or Libby and her together on many occasions, perhaps while sitting out in his driveway drinking a beer after a hard day of work.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

TMS also says that this tip was uncovered by a woman named Kathy Shank.

Her name first came to light back at the time of RA's arrest when LE held a press conference and Carter went down a list thanking multiple people and he said "Mrs. Kathy Shank, for your incredible dedication to detail." Many people guessed at that time that she was a DNA analyst because just prior he had thanked "the many scientists and DNA specialists" as he was talking.

However, if you see this article, she mentions her role, perhaps later a paid one: Pat McAfee, Jim Irsay raise Delphi reward to $200K

In addition to all that money, people in Delphi are giving of themselves, giving a hand to detectives looking for a break in this case.
“I’m here to help any way I can,” announced Kathy Shank at the police task force headquarters. She returned home from a vacation Tuesday night and signed up Wednesday morning to run the headquarters reception desk.
“I know the family of Liberty, I feel like I need to be here,” she said.

I thought she was some kind of CPS worker? How did she have access to police files to sort through things to find this tip? If I'm understanding correctly.

TIA for any clarification you can provide.

 

[MiniMoo]

Just another shady move by the Defense IMO. If BM is not a part of the Defense Team, why is he allowed to sit in the Defenses's assigned seats?

Can the Defense and Prosecution used their assigned number of seats to give to whomever they want? IDK

JMO

Bob M, it seems, has experience as a Defense Attorney so I have no issue with the DT having him there.

Also, unfortunately... we don't have videos, audio or anything like that so the more that are there as eyes and ears -the merrier.

JMO JMT

 

[Ontario Mom]

On one hand, I'm kind of glad I haven't followed this case closely for so many years. I don't know how you're all doing it with the names, dates, statements, evidence, etc. That's a ton of stuff to remember!

Then on the other hand, I appreciate those of you who have followed diligently. You've made it much easier to sort of catch up. I can only assume due to the lack of reaction yesterday you all knew the MOD and how the girls were found. That was sort of new to me (I never followed in social media either, way too much rumor and gossip there).
I do recall though, way, way back, someone mentioning the girls had scarves around their necks during a viewing. No idea if that was true but now it sure makes sense if that's the case. I do wonder, has any journalist commented on RA's reaction in court when it was described how the girls were found?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Who is this BM that is somehow aligned with the defence?

An attorney who also hosts crime podcasts.

Defense Diaries: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST

Join us for an exclusive behind the curtain tour into the twisted mind of notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

defensediaries.com

 

[joe jones]

An attorney who also hosts crime podcasts.

Defense Diaries: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST

Join us for an exclusive behind the curtain tour into the twisted mind of notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

defensediaries.com

Thanks

 

[steeltowngirl]

A possible explanation for the defense voice questions.

Andrew Baldwin, Allen's defense attorney, put repeated emphasis on asking the witnesses how assertively Libby and Abby spoke. He's likely trying to establish how feasible it is for Allen, who is smaller and said to be soft-spoken, could have forced the two girls down the hill and killed them.

Witnesses said that Libby was outspoken and had a louder personality, while Abby was quieter, but her mother said her voice "was high-pitched when she got excited."

Day 1 of Richard Allen's Delphi murders trial brings new details, heartwrenching testimony

Follow along live throughout the trial as journalists from the Indianapolis Star and the Lafayette Journal & Courier cover the case.

www.indystar.com

 

[Mirabel091]

He said he was there.

Yes, and I don't discount it. I'm sure they have more.

 

[TTF14]

Why can't they play some of his phone calls while in prison? Then everyone could compare his voice with that of Bridge Guy in Libby's video.

Maybe they will?

Can anyone remember if a motion has been filed regarding this?

 

[snooptroop88]

A possible explanation for the defense voice questions.

Andrew Baldwin, Allen's defense attorney, put repeated emphasis on asking the witnesses how assertively Libby and Abby spoke. He's likely trying to establish how feasible it is for Allen, who is smaller and said to be soft-spoken, could have forced the two girls down the hill and killed them.

Witnesses said that Libby was outspoken and had a louder personality, while Abby was quieter, but her mother said her voice "was high-pitched when she got excited."

Day 1 of Richard Allen's Delphi murders trial brings new details, heartwrenching testimony

Follow along live throughout the trial as journalists from the Indianapolis Star and the Lafayette Journal & Courier cover the case.

www.indystar.com

I think it's fairly obvious to most at this point how one person could have taken these victims "down the hill." One man, with a gun, cornering two young girls on a rickety bridge in the middle of a fairly vast wooded area with a gun. Scream to who? You can, but you're probably going to die in that instant. Run where? This person has a gun. You run, someone is highly likely to die, and it's not going to be him.

I think that just as the defense attorneys are counseling jurors to look in their hearts and minds before convicting their client, the defense attorneys themselves should consider what they would have done in the same situation as the victims in the case. I know I, too, would have been down that hill.

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe they will?

Can anyone remember if a motion has been filed regarding this?

There’s no reason that (confession) call to his wife would be excluded, and I don’t recall the defense trying to do that. The jury will certainly hear that phone call, and likely others.

 

[statt#1]

I've mentioned this a few times, and think it will come up in trial....

"ammunition component characterization" found on p. 5....

Probable Cause Affidavit Filed

www.documentcloud.org

 

[girlhasnoname]

On one hand, I'm kind of glad I haven't followed this case closely for so many years. I don't know how you're all doing it with the names, dates, statements, evidence, etc. That's a ton of stuff to remember!

Then on the other hand, I appreciate those of you who have followed diligently. You've made it much easier to sort of catch up. I can only assume due to the lack of reaction yesterday you all knew the MOD and how the girls were found. That was sort of new to me (I never followed in social media either, way too much rumor and gossip there).
I do recall though, way, way back, someone mentioning the girls had scarves around their necks during a viewing. No idea if that was true but now it sure makes sense if that's the case. I do wonder, has any journalist commented on RA's reaction in court when it was described how the girls were found?

From what I've read in MSM and TMS recap RA seems to be doing well, not overly reactive to anything and generally seeming to be in good spirits.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

There’s no reason that (confession) call to his wife would be excluded, and I don’t recall the defense trying to do that. The jury will certainly hear that phone call, and likely others.

Yes, the Judge allowed them into evidence.

 

[Yemelyan]

I thought she was some kind of CPS worker? How did she have access to police files to sort through things to find this tip? If I'm understanding correctly.

TIA for any clarification you can provide.

Unfortunately, I don't have any more clarification than the link I provided and my knowledge that Carter mentioned her at the press conference. I wonder if she will be called to testify as to what happened?

Speculation here but it would not be unheard of for a person who works/worked in one state government capacity (say, Indiana DCS) to maybe switch to a different administrative role with a law enforcement task force if the need was there, the skillset matched and the position available.

 

[katydid23]

Interesting, since there is zero connection between RA & the girls.

Undoing does not only happen when there is a close connection. It is done also when the perp feels regret or is embarrassed by their brutal actions.


Undoing is a defense mechanism in which a person tries to cancel out or remove an unhealthy, destructive or otherwise threatening thought or action by engaging in contrary behavior. For example, after thinking about being violent with someone, one would then be overly nice or accommodating to them.

UNDOING Definition & Meaning - Dictionary.com​

Dictionary.com
https://www.dictionary.com › browse › undoing


Psychiatry. an unconscious defense mechanism through which an attempt is made to reverse a psychologically unacceptable act by doing its opposite, usually repetitiously, in order to relieve anxiety.

First, the undoing effect occurs when the initial negative emotion generates a clear pattern of heightened sympathetic cardiovascular reactivity that is typical of anxiety, fear, and other health-damaging negative emotions.

The Undoing Effect of Positive Emotions - PMC - NCBI​

NCBI
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC3128334