Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #200

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847766748873060748

 

[ClearAhead]

“Studies of proven false confessors have shown that, even in cases involving confessions later proven to be false, juries convict in 73-81% of the cases.”

Fact Sheet | False Confessions

We haven’t even heard what RA said while confessing yet the insinuation is his confessions must be false?

 

[TTF14]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847766748873060748

I'm so glad, and pleasantly surprised, that Judge Gull is allowing questions from the jury.

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

We haven’t even heard what RA said while confessing yet the insinuation is his confessions must be false?

Must be? Nope. May be? Of course. The sheer number of them and his treatment at Westville allows for me (only speaking for myself) to have an open mind about it.

As always, JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm so glad, and pleasantly surprised, that Judge Gull is allowing questions from the jury.

As always, JMO.

Indiana law allows for it, and one would assume it would be a violation of law not to allow for it. I'm no fan of judge gull, especially when it comes to the restrictions placed on the media, but the rulings have been predictable ones based on the law (sketches for instance).

 

[GoBuckeyes]

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Why the judge won't allow in the police sketches is beyond me. Just because something doesn't fit the prosecution's narrative, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed in.

“Studies of proven false confessors have shown that, even in cases involving confessions later proven to be false, juries convict in 73-81% of the cases.”

Fact Sheet | False Confessions

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[TTF14]

Indiana law allows for it, and one would assume it would be a violation of law not to allow for it. I'm no fan of judge gull, especially when it comes to the restrictions placed on the media, but the rulings have been predictable ones based on the law (sketches for instance).

Maybe it's different in Florida, which also allows for it, but it's up to the judge's discretion. I don't know if you follow the Dan Markel case, but in the trial of Katherine Magbanua and Sigfriedo Garcia, the judge allowed it. But then he retired. The next judge, for Charlie Adelson's trial, didn't allow it.

I think I'm remembering that right!

As always, JMO.

 

[ClearAhead]

Fact Sheet | False Confessions

Just a few bullet points from that source.

• Since the late 1980s, six studies alone have documented approximately 250 interrogation-induced false confessions.
• False confessions make for the leading cause of wrongful convictions in homicide cases.
• More than two-thirds of the DNA-cleared homicide cases documented by the Innocence Project were caused by false confessions.
• In about 30% of DNA exoneration cases, innocent defendants made incriminating statements, delivered outright confessions or pled guilty.
• Multiple false confessions to the same crime were obtained in 30% of the cases, wherein one false confession was used to prompt others.

The Truth about False Confessions - Prisons and Justice Initiative

Above are some of the moments from our event “The Truth About False Confessions” held on Tuesday, March 22. Watch the full event and read a description below. Most people instinctively believe that only guilty people confess. But a great deal of both academic research and empirical evidence...

prisonsandjustice.georgetown.edu

Psychological/mental health issues are often involved in false confessions. So I don’t understand, when RA was confessing to anyone and everyone who would listen for weeks and weeks, why his D team basically ignored him rather than seek physiological intervention. What kind of responsible lawyers don’t even try to protect their client when it becomes obvious he is doing something that stands a strong chance of getting him convicted the minute his wife informed them? This suggests to me they’ve never really believed or could care a less in his innocence and are in it just to seek attention. JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

Indiana law allows for it, and one would assume it would be a violation of law not to allow for it. I'm no fan of judge gull, especially when it comes to the restrictions placed on the media, but the rulings have been predictable ones based on the law (sketches for instance).

I noticed from the Day 1 Wish.com summary the Judge was also asking questions.

 

[TTF14]

Psychological/mental health issues are often involved in false confessions. So I don’t understand, when RA was confessing to anyone and everyone who would listen for weeks and weeks, why his D team basically ignored him rather than seek physiological intervention. What kind of responsible lawyers don’t even try to protect their client when it becomes obvious he is doing something that stands a strong chance of getting him convicted the minute RA’s wife informed them? This suggests to me they’ve never really believed or could care a less in his innocence and are in it just to seek attention. JMO

This keeps being said, but maybe they didn't know. They were SO far away from him! They couldn't be there every day, visiting him. They have other clients and the commute was crazy. And maybe they did try to step in. We aren't privy to all information from when he was at Westville or Wabash. In my opinion, the attorneys here are the least at fault out of anyone.

As always, JMO.

 

[Emma Peel]

Why would the defense care about what people on social media think? The jury is sequestered and the trial has started.

JMO

Great point.
And there it is.
Logic, reasoning, just the facts. JMHO

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847771291564331383

 

[FrostedGlass]

Psychological/mental health issues are often involved in false confessions. So I don’t understand, when RA was confessing to anyone and everyone who would listen for weeks and weeks, why his D team basically ignored him rather than seek physiological intervention. What kind of responsible lawyers don’t even try to protect their client when it becomes obvious he is doing something that stands a strong chance of getting him convicted the minute his wife informed them? This suggests to me they’ve never really believed or could care a less in his innocence and are in it just to seek attention. JMO

They tried numerous times to get his out of there.
He was being treated, according to the reports. Were they wrong to trust he was getting good medical treatment?

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847773812042997803

 

[AugustWest]

Psychological/mental health issues are often involved in false confessions. So I don’t understand, when RA was confessing to anyone and everyone who would listen for weeks and weeks, why his D team basically ignored him rather than seek physiological intervention. What kind of responsible lawyers don’t even try to protect their client when it becomes obvious he is doing something that stands a strong chance of getting him convicted the minute his wife informed them? This suggests to me they’ve never really believed or could care a less in his innocence and are in it just to seek attention. JMO

I was just providing you with statistics on false confessions, which you asked about. I don't know if they are false or not. We'll hear about them before this is over.

 

[TTF14]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847773812042997803

That's great. I wonder what they will be doing. Maybe leaf peeping? It's probably beautiful in some parts there right now, I would imagine.

As always, JMO.

 

[ClearAhead]

This doesn’t make any sense, where does it state that anyone thought the bodies were mannequins? People were searching for two missing girls and then found two bodies covered in blood I understand they would be shocked to see that but I highly doubt anyone thought they were dolls.

JMO

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Jury hears emotional testimony from searchers who found Delphi teens’ bodies

Richard Allen is on trial in Carroll County for the 2017 murders of Libby German and Abby Williams

www.independent.co.uk

“I thought they were mannequins,” he told the court, his voice cracking, according to local news outlet FOX59.

He trembled as he asked the court for a moment to gather himself before he continued.

“I turned around and I yelled we had found them,” he added.”

 

[ClearAhead]

I was just providing you with statistics on false confessions, which you asked about. I don't know if they are false or not. We'll hear about them before this is over.

Okay thanks! However I remain mystified how a client can be allowed to confess 61 times and maybe more without any attempt by his attorneys to intervene.

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

“Studies of proven false confessors have shown that, even in cases involving confessions later proven to be false, juries convict in 73-81% of the cases.”

Fact Sheet | False Confessions

What’s the conviction rate in all trials that go to juries? You usually don’t want to be the defendent in a case going to trial because the overall odds are not in your favor.

I wish I could say I look forward to hearing / reading RA’s many confessions, but I don’t know if I ever will first-hand.

Also from that fact sheet:

63% of false confessors were under the age of 25, and 32% were under 18; yet of all persons arrested for murder and were under 18; yet of all persons arrested for murder and rape, only 8 and 16%, respectively, are juveniles.



JMO MOO etc

 

[Emma Peel]

Yep, trying to get around the press pool rules.

I don't see this being allowed to continue.

They're either guests or press. Fish or fowl. They'll have to choose.

MOO

Why?
And by why, I mean, please explain why they'll have to choose.
We're at trial and the jury is sequestered.
It's likely experts are going to attend court and start writing editorials over this case.
That's how we do it. First Amendment and all that good stuff.
JMHO