Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[steeltowngirl]

I wonder what RA's wife &/or mom thought of seeing this longer clip played today. Do they recognize him, his gait, etc.?

MOO.

If they did recognize him, they might still dismiss it in their minds.
Cognitive dissonance.

jmo

 

[tlcya]

Funny thing about that bullet....we still don't know the manufacturer, hollow point vs full metal jacket, grain...165 vs. 180.

If state shows that bullet to be identical to or from a lot of bullets retrieved from RA's home, or purchased by RA, that'd be tough for defense.

Time will tell.

Also, if one looks over the list of items retrieved from RA's home in the linky provided here, there exists lots of possibility for evidence introduction in the upcoming days/weeks.

State Motion to Supress....

DRV149 Sealed paper bag containing one Winchester Supreme Elite empty ammo box.

Dozens of Richard Allen documents released, cause of death of girls revealed

The judge in the Richard Allen murder case has released dozens of documents related to the case that were previously sealed.

www.wishtv.com

thank you for this link:

For the first time, a cause of death is referred to in court documents. Investigators say the teen girls were killed by “wounds caused by a sharp object"
Posted: Jun 28, 2023
Dozens of Richard Allen documents released, cause of death of girls revealed

further, the article contains the State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress which also states:

l3. That Investigators believed a knife was used in the murder of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

ETA A knife. Not knives. A. JMO MOO YMMV

 

[Simply Southern]

I grabbed a screenshot of the drawing @MassGuy

*Noting this is a DRAWING made by the reporter of one of the confessions, as seen in media exhibits.

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Wonder if he was interviewed? Did his attorney prevent him from confessing? If so, hope it was taped.

 

[susane7]

So without RA's DNA.... you think he will be found Not Guilty?

No, no RA's DNA only means the killer didn't leave his DNA at the crime scene. It would be significant if there was an unknown male DNA at the crime scene but it seems it isn't the case. The girls were murdered and not by ETS, so.. Unfortunately, people think real life is like CSI. I was worried that there would be 1 or 2 jurors who thought that way but from the questions they are asking, the jury seems very attentive and logical thinkers.

Ps - Of course I would prefer they had DNA but if they had DNA, this case would not have taken 5 years to find the alleged killer.

 

[Gemmie]

Sorry if this sounds dumb, but he could've hurriedly placed sticks over the girls to camouflage them from the search party, airplanes overhead, or drones that could be out searching for them.

Except it wasn't just sticks, I've read where one large limb was ~3X Libby's height, which would put it at ~15'. And it was laying next to her. I'd think if someone was trying to conceal bodies, they'd use a LOT more sticks, brush, and leaves to cover them. Not a few oddly placed sticks and one really long limb. To me, it wasn't to camouflage, it had another purpose, but what? JMO

 

[MiniMoo]

It shows he had them trapped?

And he had a gun. I always wondered why it looked like it was an upside down semi automatic. Not the way I would pack a gun. I'm guessing he wanted to make sure it was secure and hidden. He wasn't afraid of A and L so he had plenty of time to get the gun out and let them see it as a scare tactic.

Makes me mad as hell. What kind of man preys on children like that? Maybe a really short wimpy guy.

I have never held a gun let alone packed one.

Not unless that includes a glue gun and even then it is still in its original box sealed.

Can't wait to see what is brought out further by the end of the day which should be quite soon and even throughout the week.

I need to know what is going on and for this to be made a bit more clearer for me, if possible.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I grabbed a screenshot of the drawing @MassGuy

*Noting this is a DRAWING made by the reporter of one of the confessions, as seen in media exhibits.

View attachment 539734

What even is this? If he's so sorry he should have pled guilty and not put the families through this nonsense.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Except it wasn't just sticks, I've read where one large limb was ~3X Libby's height, which would put it at ~15'. And it was laying next to her. I'd think if someone was trying to conceal bodies, they'd use a LOT more sticks, brush, and leaves to cover them. Not a few oddly placed sticks and one really long limb. To me, it wasn't to camouflage, it had another purpose, but what? JMO

Do we know for sure the limb laying next to her was put there by the killer? I mean there's no way it hadn't just fallen there previously and happened to be right next to where Libby was?

 

[Web_Sleuth]

I grabbed a screenshot of the drawing @MassGuy

*Noting this is a DRAWING made by the reporter of one of the confessions, as seen in media exhibits.

View attachment 539734

I wonder if this was just a desperate plea by a broken man wanting out of prison and didn’t realize the implications - just tried getting an interview. It’s so sad the way it’s written - doesn’t seem like an intelligent way to request something official. (I did read an article saying this depiction was as close to the original they could get it).

I don’t know anything about this kind of stuff and if it could be used against him or not. Just seems like he’s gone so weak and little in prison. Not saying he’s innocent. Trying to follow and watch evidence just like every one else while not setting my mind to a guilty verdict before.

JMO

 

[otto]

It looks like the document was edited 3 times. The first time, he wrote "I am ready to officially confess". The second edit is adding "for killing Abby and Libby". The third edit appears to be "I hope I get the opportunity to the families I'm sorry."

He was probably told that he had to specify what he wanted to confess to, and then was asked whether there was anything else he wanted to add.

Why do I think this? Because the word "for" is in the wrong place, and his signature blocks him from adding the girls names on the lined space. OMO

 

[justtrish]

There was a reliable report from somewhere, that the video didn’t contain anything graphic, or capture their deaths. Logically, it would have BG coming towards them, him saying down the hill, and perhaps mention of a gun by one of the girls. It would have taken some time to get to the point they were killed, and I think it cut off well before then.

The things nightmares are made of would be in my mind the moment they know they are being abducted. They were talking about the trail ending and having to go down there.. I was suggesting that part is BEFORE they realize he is abducting them. They realize it's iffy.. he's coming and it's the end of the trail and I think they were trying to go somewhere to get out of his way or to see if he was going to keep following them. I think before they could decide where to go he's on them saying what he says. My comments were more that these were the last moments they had not in his control. It IS things nightmares are made of because we all know what happens to them after that... he's closing in, they realize it and are trying to figure out where to go, he reaches them and they are his.. As a mother THAT is a nightmare and a scenario I played in my mind on more than one occasion when my kids were younger.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

Delphi trial witness testifies seeing 'Bridge Guy' on trail: 'I remember I waved to him'

Crime scene investigators took the stand in the case against Richard M. Allen in Delphi.

www.indystar.com

"The 25-second clip showed Abby walking toward the end of the Monon High Bridge, which the teens traversed the day they disappeared. Libby, who crossed ahead of Abby, was recording with her phone. Walking behind Abby in the background is the man who became known as the "Bridge Guy," dressed in a blue coat and blue jeans.

Tuesday's showing was the first time prosecutors revealed a portion of the video that shows the man ― who they allege is Allen ― following the girls. Law enforcement previously released a zoomed-in clip from the video that did not show Abby.
One of the girls was heard saying: "There's no path so we have to go down here."

So it seems like video shown is the BG walking clip we have seen before, but this time showing Abby and not zoomed in on BG ...he's following her in the background. I don't think he has spoken to them yet. I think the girls are getting nervous and don't want to pass him. Something doesn't feel right and they are contemplating how to get away.

I wonder how far behind Libby he was walking before she crossed in front of Abby and was recording Abby walking. Did she already know he was right behind her? Could she hear him? Was he breathing right down her neck already?! Also, is she walking backwards on this scary bridge to do the recording, or is her phone in selfie mode? Was he pretty much right on top of them already? YIKES!

Imo

 

[Yemelyan]

WTHR has some updates about the testimony of Railly Voorhies, who saw a man on the trail that day near the Freedom Bridge, and also from a forensic examiner who achieved a frame by frame breakdown of the video from Libby's phone:

Jurors watch never-before-seen, enhanced video from Libby German's cellphone | Day 4 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Voorhies said she passed a man near Freedom Bridge on her walk home, which she said she had to be home by 2:30 p.m.
Voorhies said she waved and said hi to the man she passed, but Voorhies said he did not wave back and "did not seem to be a happy person."
When Voorhies heard about the missing girls, she thought it could have to do with the man she passed who seemed unhappy.
When the prosecution asked Voorhies to give a description of the man she passed, Voorhies said he was overdressed for the weather, had on dark clothes, his face was covered, he was wearing a hat, he was Caucasian, he had a running mask over his mouth and up to his nose, and he had his hands in his pockets.

 

[statt#1]

Except it wasn't just sticks, I've read where one large limb was ~3X Libby's height, which would put it at ~15'. And it was laying next to her. I'd think if someone was trying to conceal bodies, they'd use a LOT more sticks, brush, and leaves to cover them. Not a few oddly placed sticks and one really long limb. To me, it wasn't to camouflage, it had another purpose, but what? JMO

It's hard to say what goes on in the mind of murderer. The girls are dead. My opinion, he's coming down from the 'high', reality setting in. Was it an attempt to cover up his deeds? Maybe. Maybe not.

He might have been fixin' to start a fire.

 

[MiniMoo]

WTHR has some updates about the testimony of Railly Voorhies, who saw a man on the trail that day near the Freedom Bridge, and also a forensic examiner who achieved a frame by frame breakdown of the video from Libby's phone:

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/delphi-girls-murdered/day-4-delphi-murders-trial-richard-allen-prosecution-state-defense-case-libby-german-abby-williams-carroll-county-indiana/531-0177bea9-afaa-42af-8883-a8a1efe56344a

Voorhies said she passed a man near Freedom Bridge on her walk home, which she said she had to be home by 2:30 p.m.
Voorhies said she waved and said hi to the man she passed, but Voorhies said he did not wave back and "did not seem to be a happy person."
When Voorhies heard about the missing girls, she thought it could have to do with the man she passed who seemed unhappy.
When the prosecution asked Voorhies to give a description of the man she passed, Voorhies said he was overdressed for the weather, had on dark clothes, his face was covered, he was wearing a hat, he was Caucasian, he had a running mask over his mouth and up to his nose, and he had his hands in his pockets.

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[Bbgiraffe]

I wonder how far behind Libby he was walking before she crossed in front of Abby and was recording Abby walking. Did she already know he was right behind her? Could she hear him? Was he breathing right down her neck already?! Also, is she walking backwards on this scary bridge to do the recording, or is her phone in selfie mode? Was he pretty much right on top of them already? YIKES!

Imo

"There’s no path so we have to go down here"

Was this before they realized he was following them or after?

I was wondering how frequently the girls had gone across the bridge in the past and if they were comfortable crossing it since it seemed a little iffy from the pictures we've seen of the bridge at that time so now I'm wondering why they wouldn't just turn around and go back across the bridge. Was it because they were nervous to go across the bridge again or because they were weirded out by the guy behind them and didn't want to walk past him again? Or had he already kidnapped them at that point and they knew they couldn't go back across the bridge?

 

[MassGuy]

Jurors watch never-before-seen, enhanced video from Libby German's cellphone | Day 4 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Voorhies said she passed a man near Freedom Bridge on her walk home, which she said she had to be home by 2:30 p.m.
Voorhies said she waved and said hi to the man she passed, but Voorhies said he did not wave back and "did not seem to be a happy person."

When Voorhies heard about the missing girls, she thought it could have to do with the man she passed who seemed unhappy.

When the prosecution asked Voorhies to give a description of the man she passed, Voorhies said he was overdressed for the weather, had on dark clothes, his face was covered, he was wearing a hat, he was Caucasian, he had a running mask over his mouth and up to his nose, and he had his hands in his pockets.

When the prosecution pulled up a photo of the "bridge guy," Voorhies said, "That was the man I had waved at on the trail."

Defense did score some points though, getting her to admit she could have been influenced by the photo, and her description of his physical features was off.

 

[Yemelyan]

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@MassGuy also posted the link so you can see it there...

 

[Gemmie]

Do we know for sure the limb laying next to her was put there by the killer? I mean there's no way it hadn't just fallen there previously and happened to be right next to where Libby was?

No, but it's JMO that it was placed there. Just a hunch.

 

[Pennysmom1]

It's hard to say what goes on in the mind of murderer. The girls are dead. My opinion, he's coming down from the 'high', reality setting in. Was it an attempt to cover up his deeds? Maybe. Maybe not.

He might have been fixin' to start a fire.

I agree with your thoughts. I just thought maybe he was trying to cover/hide them, but got interrupted or something.

Another thought, a 14-15 foot tree limb would be too heavy for one guy to lift and move by himself, of course depending how thick the tree limb was.