Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[ClearAhead]

Isn't RA the only adult male we know of being at the trail that day? He knew he was wearing all his disguise so he wasn't worried about saying he was there. Nobody could ID him. He also gave the interview to DD before the video was publicized. So he didn't know the video existed when he did the interview with DD.

Witnesses saw an adult male. An adult male is captured on Libby's video. RA says he was at the trail at that time.

Eyewitness testimony and identification is notoriously unreliable.

Think about walking past a stranger on the sidewalk. Later you find out a murder happened and you realize maybe you saw the guy. Now try hard to describe that person. It would be difficult to recall an accurate description especially when you had no idea you should remember this specific person because they might commit a crime.

I recall maybe this “man in black” story but it no longer appears online. It was repeated to the media by a friend of a friend or something and I wondered about it. If ever there’s thoughts back to somebody who later turns out might be a bad guy, odds are it’s going to be a “man in black”, never a man in white or green. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848849473306316893

 

[twall]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848843651709079714

Uh oh, did the state just open the door?

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh, same, it’s heartbreaking.

Especially the “timidly.”

Just the notion that she apparently was nervous about his presence and tried to ward it off with a meek “hi.”

I need to have this vicious killer locked up forever. To me that’s RA.

Broke my heart too, to learn that Abby said, "hi."

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Uh oh, did the state just open the door?

I think there’s a very good chance they did. I wouldn’t be surprised to see those sketches come in now.

 

[Hatch]

Anyone have theories on why Abby had on Libby’s clothing? I realize Abby’s may have gotten wet - but why would she have Libby’s on and Libby be nude? This one is just boggling me. Especially if Abby was killed first. Do we think RA redressed her in the wrong clothes? Something else??

MOO

Mine has always been, he had them take their clothes off then for whatever reason he told Abby to put her clothes back on (perhaps she was shivering and crying) she either grabbed or he tossed her some clothes and she dressed herself with whatever she had and then he cut her throat , Libby went hysterical and tried to get away he caught her, cut her throat and she was in motion until she fell to her death. He dragged her back close to Abby so he could try and conceal both bodies. The killer and Libby both were in a frantic frenzy. I think this whole incident happened very fast once he had them across the creek . I do not think he cared or had after thought to dress Abby, I think she dressed herself. Just my theory.

 

[susane7]

Betsy Blair

•jury asked if she could’ve mistaken his hat for hair, she said “I could have”

Again, great question by the jury. I think it exactly what happened. She was at some distance and mistaken his hat with "poofy brown hair" IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

They, the jury, will probably never have to do another trial again after seeing those photos and when this is all done.

I hope the families are supported and given comfort as well - very hard and disturbing for them and all involved.

JMO MOO JMO

Here where I live, in NC, I didn't have to serve jury duty for two years after the big trial I was on.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Betsy Blair

•jury asked if she could’ve mistaken his hat for hair, she said “I could have”

Again, great question by the jury. I think it exactly what happened. She was at some distance and mistaken his hat with "poofy brown hair" IMO.

The jury is asking great questions. Seems like they already know which way the wind is blowing.

 

[rez125]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848849473306316893

The height description is what gets me. It's very obvious as a female when a man is short, there's no way I'm describing a man as tall/taller if he's A. Around the same height as me (I'm 5'7) or B. 5'4 (obviously)...

 

[Arkay]

Anyone have theories on why Abby had on Libby’s clothing? I realize Abby’s may have gotten wet - but why would she have Libby’s on and Libby be nude? This one is just boggling me. Especially if Abby was killed first. Do we think RA redressed her in the wrong clothes? Something else??

MOO

Mine has always been, he had them take their clothes off then for whatever reason he told Abby to put her clothes back on (perhaps she was shivering and crying) she either grabbed or he tossed her some clothes and she dressed herself with whatever she had and then he cut her throat , Libby went hysterical and tried to get away he caught her, cut her throat and she was in motion until she fell to her death. He dragged her back close to Abby so he could try and conceal both bodies. The killer and Libby both were in a frantic frenzy. I think this whole incident happened very fast once he had them across the creek . I do not think he cared or had after thought to dress Abby, I think she dressed herself. Just my theory.

My opinion is that unless we get a full confession, none of us non-violent people will be able to fathom what was pleasing and/or imperative in his mind.

He could’ve had some fetish about blending them somehow. I have no idea.

The one thing that is plausible to me is that if he had some weird compulsion about switching their clothing, it had to be Libby’s clothes on Abby. Frankly Abby was much slimmer than Libby and he wouldn’t have been able to dress Libby in Abby’s clothing.

Just my speculation. Not strong enough to even be an opinion.

 

[twall]

Isn't RA the only adult male we know of being at the trail that day? He knew he was wearing all his disguise so he wasn't worried about saying he was there. Nobody could ID him. He also gave the interview to DD before the video was publicized. So he didn't know the video existed when he did the interview with DD.

Witnesses saw an adult male. An adult male is captured on Libby's video. RA says he was at the trail at that time.

Eyewitness testimony and identification is notoriously unreliable.

Think about walking past a stranger on the sidewalk. Later you find out a murder happened and you realize maybe you saw the guy. Now try hard to describe that person. It would be difficult to recall an accurate description especially when you had no idea you should remember this specific person because they might commit a crime.

We'll never know because all of the interview videos we're erased and all they have are notes. And you're right, nobody could id him after the video was released. Why is that? Maybe because it isn't him? And if the eyewitness is so unreliable why are they still using it when today they have so much better ways to investigate? The jury will only know what is testified to and today they heard a big discrepency of the timeline and BG id. JMO

edited because I misspelled discrepency

 

[twall]

Betsy Blair

•jury asked if she could’ve mistaken his hat for hair, she said “I could have”

Again, great question by the jury. I think it exactly what happened. She was at some distance and mistaken his hat with "poofy brown hair" IMO.

Yep, there's that pesky eyewitness testimony again! LE should of never released the sketches. If they come in it will confuse the jury like it confused the public so another nail in the state's coffin. JMO I'm still on the fence though!

 

[Melted]

Delphi trial witness testifies seeing 'Bridge Guy' on trail: 'I remember I waved to him'

Crime scene investigators took the stand in the case against Richard M. Allen in Delphi.

www.indystar.com

"The 25-second clip showed Abby walking toward the end of the Monon High Bridge, which the teens traversed the day they disappeared. Libby, who crossed ahead of Abby, was recording with her phone. Walking behind Abby in the background is the man who became known as the "Bridge Guy," dressed in a blue coat and blue jeans.

Tuesday's showing was the first time prosecutors revealed a portion of the video that shows the man ― who they allege is Allen ― following the girls. Law enforcement previously released a zoomed-in clip from the video that did not show Abby.
One of the girls was heard saying: "There's no path so we have to go down here."

So it seems like video shown is the BG walking clip we have seen before, but this time showing Abby and not zoomed in on BG ...he's following her in the background. I don't think he has spoken to them yet. I think the girls are getting nervous and don't want to pass him. Something doesn't feel right and they are contemplating how to get away.

This is a bombshell in my opinion, if I’m reading this right, the girls were talking about going off the path and “down here” which would be down the hill before the “guys, down the hill” jmo

 

[Yemelyan]

Breann Welber was 16 when she was walking on the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. That’s the day authorities believe 13-year-old Abigail “Abby” Williams and 14-year-old Liberty “Libby” German were murdered.

Welber said she made a post on Snapchat when she was on the bridge that February day. She says it wasn’t uncommon for people to go on the Monon trial with friends but never alone.

Libby had messaged Welber on Snapchat while Welber was on the trail. Later that day, she learned Abby and Libby were missing.

Days later, she saw an image police shared from Libby’s cellphone. The image in the trial has been described as “bridge guy.” It’s a grainy image of a man on the Monon trail, believed by authoriti(es to be murders suspect Richard Allen. Welber told jurors on Tuesday that, upon seeing the grainy image, “First thing I thought was that is the person I saw on the trail.”

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 4 live blog
(Spellings as in article)

 

[iamshadow21]

My opinion is that unless we get a full confession, none of us non-violent people will be able to fathom what was pleasing and/or imperative in his mind.

He could’ve had some fetish about blending them somehow. I have no idea.

The one thing that is plausible to me is that if he had some weird compulsion about switching their clothing, it had to be Libby’s clothes on Abby. Frankly Abby was much slimmer than Libby and he wouldn’t have been able to dress Libby in Abby’s clothing.

Just my speculation. Not strong enough to even be an opinion.

If he was physically involved in the redressing, he may not have remembered which clothing belonged to which girl.

Another thing is it's very hard to get wet denim on and off. Abby was dressed in fairly skinny jeans originally. It may have been easier to dress her in the larger pants.

MOO

 

[rez125]

They've opened the door.

Let's see if JG allows them in.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

This is a bombshell in my opinion, if I’m reading this right, the girls were talking about going off the path and “down here” which would be down the hill before the “guys, down the hill” jmo

JMO but sounds like they knew he was following and they wanted to get away - there was nowhere to go except “down here”

 

[Bbgiraffe]

We'll never know because all of the interview videos we're erased and all they have are notes. And you're right, nobody could id him after the video was released. Why is that? Maybe because it isn't him? And if the eyewitness is so unreliable why are they still using it when today they have so much better ways to investigate? The jury will only know what is testified to and today they heard a big descrepency of the timeline and BG id. JMO

I think the parts of the video we have seen aren't very helpful in identifying anyone. He was wearing some kind of face covering according to witness. The frames from the video released to the public even after enhancement are very grainy/blurry I dont think I would recognize someone's face in that. But he put himself there. Wearing the same clothes we see in the video. So either he is bridge guy and bridge guy didn't kill Abby and Libby or a guy wearing the same clothes as he says he was wearing was on the bridge at that time and killed the girls and RA has nothing to do with it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Up thread it was mentioned that it would be strong evidence for the prosecution if .40 caliber ammunition that was the same as the unfired round found at the crime scene was also seized during the search warrant executed at the defendants home.

The first search, which began at 7:09 p.m., yielded the following:

A black Sig Sauer P226 .40 caliber handgun
A .40 caliber S&W cartridge found in a wooden keepsake box
A .40 caliber S&W cartridge found in the Sig Sauer
A magazine filled with nine .40 caliber cartridges
A magazine filled with eight .40 caliber cartridges

Some .40 caliber cartridges were found. Maybe some were from the same manufacturer and had the same components, bullet, case, and primer.

If they don't match the round recovered from the crime scene I wouldn't be surprised. The search warrant was done over five years after the murders. He had plenty of time and opportunity to fire all of any matching ammo during those years.

We will learn more when testimony gets to that subject.

Boots, knives and car carpeting: What police seized from Delphi murder suspect’s home

DELPHI, Ind. — Among the over 110 documents unsealed Wednesday in the Delphi murders was a search warrant for suspect Richard Allen’s home and a list of what Indiana State Police seized. Alle…

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